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moist turtleneck posted:stuff has been sitting in Coming Soon since October 12th but yeah okay By a much larger studio with a more aggressive publisher and with much bigger launch issues I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see anything until around Thanksgiving, but I'm really hoping for something coming sooner
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I think I'm just gonna drop this game as a bad job. There's fun to be had here but they won't let me find it solo, and they've broken quickjoin mm so hard that I can't find the fun with randos. All I'm left with is premade groups, which the game is also incredibly hostile towards with the special spam and the backasswards difficulty jumps. I can't even enjoy the 'story' because I have no idea what any of it even is because they only wanna share story in peoples soundbites, so instead of an explination I just get bangBANGbangbangBANGbangI'mout!bangboombangI'MOUTOFAMMO!bangBANGbang
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The game's got good bones and I want it to succeed but the first month is crucial after a release and no communication is Bad 4 Business
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Nov 8, 2021 17:14
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The Door Frame posted:By a much larger studio with a more aggressive publisher and with much bigger launch issues I play a lot of multiplayer games by smaller teams, and the first few days/weeks after release or a content update are almost always accompanied by several bug fixes, balance tweaks, and minor quality of life improvements. If the B4B developers can't work at that pace, fine, but the radio silence about players' serious issues with the game -- both design choices and actual bugs -- is not doing them any favors at all. Even a "sorry folks, mutation spawns match our vision so we're not changing them" would at least let me know I can uninstall and stop following the game. No other game has made me so thankful for Game Pass.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:24
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how much do you get for having a game pass game and with that quantity of money how much post release support can you expect? because i too have paid the devs nothing but hope they'll patch a better game in and i don't know how sustainable it is under this model.
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WhiteHowler posted:I play a lot of multiplayer games by smaller teams, and the first few days/weeks after release or a content update are almost always accompanied by several bug fixes, balance tweaks, and minor quality of life improvements. There’s a trello card in the coming soon category for fixing specials spawning in groups https://trello.com/c/Ze3Eob7M
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CoolCab posted:how much do you get for having a game pass game and with that quantity of money how much post release support can you expect? because i too have paid the devs nothing but hope they'll patch a better game in and i don't know how sustainable it is under this model. I have no idea, but they're also selling the game for $60 retail. Charge AAA game prices, provide AAA game support. If that model isn't sustainable for the devs, well... that's on their business people. A lot of high-profile, non-first-party games come out on Game Pass, so I have to think it's a positive opportunity for most developers who don't self-publish. Trabisnikof posted:There’s a trello card in the coming soon category for fixing specials spawning in groups https://trello.com/c/Ze3Eob7M That's good in theory, but it has no details at all. A public Trello board doesn't replace having a PR presence, even if it's just the project lead or whatever updating a blog or Twitter feed. Do they have to? No. But this is a multiplayer-centric game, and it's going to live or die by its community and player base. Anyway, I'm sorry if I sound super negative in this thread. This game is SO CLOSE to being what I want from a co-op experience. The weapons and shooting and environments are generally excellent. But in certain key areas (all fixable ones, too!) it falls flat on its face, and that's so frustrating. Basically this: moist turtleneck posted:The game's got good bones and I want it to succeed but the first month is crucial after a release and no communication is Bad 4 Business
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Nov 8, 2021 18:31
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I think most want to believe evolve was all 2k and not from the team, so high hopes the release doesn't get botched with slow adjustments and updates
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ShootaBoy posted:I think I'm just gonna drop this game as a bad job. There's fun to be had here but they won't let me find it solo, and they've broken quickjoin mm so hard that I can't find the fun with randos. All I'm left with is premade groups, which the game is also incredibly hostile towards with the special spam and the backasswards difficulty jumps. I can't even enjoy the 'story' because I have no idea what any of it even is because they only wanna share story in peoples soundbites, so instead of an explination I just get bangBANGbangbangBANGbangI'mout!bangboombangI'MOUTOFAMMO!bangBANGbang I play this a little with a full group of people and it's just not fun half the time. it's a little too hardcore for fun drinking with friends.
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in my idiot noob opinion recruit is like a boring walking sim and vet is extremely difficult. when the director is feeling generous vet can be fun but otherwise it feels critically hosed in terms of expectations from the players. the gap in difficulty here is kinda suffering, it winds up being two lacking experiences since I don't feel like I learn anything on recruit to prepare for vet.
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Nov 8, 2021 18:55
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moist turtleneck posted:The game's got good bones and I want it to succeed but the first month is crucial after a release and no communication is Bad 4 Business Apparently they did the same thing with Evolve when it dropped, very little communication and took way too long to drop and kind of bugfix. Glad to see they learned their lesson the first time.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:32
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Considering how many games with good ideas wind up being irredeemable, unfixable poo poo once they drop, it would be a shame to see a game with such a solid foundation flounder on execution. It's worse somehow when you can tell it can be fixed, but just isn't.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:33
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Turin Turambar posted:Roadmap revealed Looks good to me. So an update in 1-3 weeks.
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it needs all of those things but pushing "additional difficulty level" off until next year seems kind of unambitious? here i'll make you a new difficulty level in 5 seconds: veteran with no friendly fire and the same 4 free goes at a med cabinet and the same continue rules as recruit - vet but much more forgiving or recruit but much harder mechanically. call it recruit + or vet - whatever who cares. maybe they'll stick in some kind of difficulty pass as a QoL enhancement? stuns and instakills, like poo poo that knocks you back into death zones should be reduced at least imo.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:51
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Leal posted:Some nights the game just goes "gently caress you" and throws multiples of each type of special on you at once. I remember one run recently where I went into a bathroom with no windows, vents, or any doors but the one I came out of (the Blue Dog Mine house before the wall made out of cars) and as soon as I turned around a Crusher grabbed me from behind. Speaking of runs getting hosed: Last night I had a great one going where I had cleared Act 1 up to Blue Dog Mine, and the game crashed. I was hosting, and was able to rejoin, but it crashed again. When I tried to resume the run today, it said the run had failed, so I'd have to start over.
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Turin Turambar posted:Roadmap revealed About what I'd expected, though I do feel that December seems pretty far off for an offline mode. Excited for alternate character cards, not that +25% trauma resistance is bad, but it's hard to know how useful it actually is
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Nov 8, 2021 22:08
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I tired this out for a few hours on Game Pass, but it just wasn't really fun. I can't quite articulate why, its just that there seemed to be several systems standing between the player and a fun experience. Hope the patches fix this!
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Nov 8, 2021 22:37
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Now that we have a bunch more gun stats from the devs, people are doing testing and discovering that +damage buffs don't matter for inflicting stun. So unless you're going for specific killing shot breakpoints, you actually want attack speed for crowd control. Which means that reload speed reigns supreme for bolt action sniper rifles.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:57
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Have they said what the new coop mode will be? I'm guessing no, but I assume it'll be a last stand mode based around existing set pieces, like the grand old house.
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Jack B Nimble posted:Have they said what the new coop mode will be? I'm guessing no, but I assume it'll be a last stand mode based around existing set pieces, like the grand old house. The gang all take turns kissing Tony Todd
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Deagle with the infinite secondary ammo card 
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I have played this drat game almost 40 hours and it has not graced me with the unlimited secondary ammo card yet 
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You uh, know the card unlocks are not random right?
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Really? No I didn't know that. There is one supply line I have ignored for a long time because I hated the cards though. Did I gently caress up by not cycling it out maybe?
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zURAO8DELx_EN1D8YkuJ8hw_WQ2jY1mcLE4D8ElMYUo/edit?usp=drivesdk Has a list of all the cards, which supply line they are from and the unlock order. Ammo stash is from the bottom line, which I assume is the one you have been skipping.
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lol yup
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So I've just been playing through the campaign online, and haven't had anyone dropping into my games. I assume that's because most folks are past act 1. I'm almost to the end of it during a horde event when suddenly three people drop into my game and the difficulty spikes 1000 percent. I instantly died to a hundred ridden swarming me. Seems like the only way to play the game and enjoy it is to grind through it solo on easy difficulty until you can afford all the cards you need for a good build. I hate this.
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Nov 9, 2021 15:33
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good news! you don't get any progression points and as such new cards in solo at all
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Wait, really? Because I was just going to play solo campaign for the supply points. If that's the case I might be stopping playing the game altogether, holy hell.
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believe so, lol. see how "solo offline with campaign progression" is a december goalTurin Turambar posted:Roadmap revealed
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CoolCab posted:believe so, lol. see how "solo offline with campaign progression" is a december goal To me it reads that you won't have to "sign in" on startup, not necessarily be able to get points. I'll have to try and see if you can get points solo because if you can't, that's buullllll
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no that was just me confirming it, i think right now solo allows you access to all cards but no supply points. it's there to let you test out decks rather than campaign progress.
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If you want to play the game "solo" you can just start an online run and set your social settings to friends only. You'll still get supply points and progress normally
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Ah, well thanks to both of you for explaining. They should have just made L4D3, but the “games as a service” model is the way these days.
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I don't know, I kept waiting for the microtransactions to pop up as soon as they explained cards an supply points and was pleasantly surprised that all progression is earned in game. Not even cosmetics can be bought AFAIK
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Irregardless posted:Ah, well thanks to both of you for explaining. They should have just made L4D3, but the “games as a service” model is the way these days. Yeah I'm as guilty as the next person of having my brain tickled by unlocking abilities and skins, despite having a blast playing old l4d strictly for the fun of it and not "progress." There are plenty of pubbies playing the entire campaign on recruit though, so you should be able to complete it top to bottom online and have a fine deck unless you're just dead set against playing with others
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Recruit allows for some hilarious builds that would require a lot more finesse at higher difficulties. I def recommend playing a goofy build on recruit as a palate cleanser. Last night we were playing and there was a goofy bug that gave us our full decks like 4 stages into act 1. I was doing a gimmick melee build with holly and I just monster trucked around. I took out two tallboys at once, solo, with minimal damage. I would trigger hordes just to solo them. It was the best bug I’ve had so far. The card that makes you attack faster the more you kill paired with Holly’s “gain 10 stamina per kill” means you just never stop swinging. I also had the “get more copper anytime you or a teammate picks some up” card so we had every upgrade.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Yeah I'm as guilty as the next person of having my brain tickled by unlocking abilities and skins, despite having a blast playing old l4d strictly for the fun of it and not "progress." There are plenty of pubbies playing the entire campaign on recruit though, so you should be able to complete it top to bottom online and have a fine deck unless you're just dead set against playing with others I mean, I just got started and I'm the pubbie playing on recruit. When others join in the difficulty is outrageously different than when it's just me. I barely have fifteen cards now. Life is pain.
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