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did it look like there are roll iframes in the gameplay footage? the player got hit a bunch and i couldn’t tell. i guess it’s pretty likely, but would be cool if they switch it up regardless.
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cool av posted:did it look like there are roll iframes in the gameplay footage? the player got hit a bunch and i couldn’t tell. I didn't notice a roll that could be interpreted as having i-frames, and as someone else pointed out, it seems like you have the Bloodborne quick step-dodge instead of rolling, at least when locked on during battle, which I'm cool with. There also seems to be more of an impact when fighting things, in the gameplay footage when they're fighting the dragon, the dragon's wing knocks them on their back as does the following attack with their mouth, then they roll to stand up, so I'm not sure if that's just the animation used when you quickly get up after getting knocked down or what. Some of the more exciting gameplay stuff for me was the way the dragon as well as the other bosses shown seem to physically knock the player back in a way that other Dark Souls games didn't really have, like they hold up their sword to block another attack immediately after getting knocked down and when their head hits the character they block it but roll backwards into the same position holding their sword, which I thought might just be the result of it being the last attack that the player could actually block before their poise would have broken, since it seems like you just barely block it without getting knocked down. Also the attacks against the dragon look more 'realistic' than souls combat, when the sword hits the dragon's neck, you can see what looks like an actual cut into it's flesh. I don't know if it's just the camera movement, or if I'm just imagining things, but there seems to be more of a like physicality to the combat that wasn't there before, and the lack of rolling through attacks with i-frames, and the way the player character repeatedly blocks attacks, not with a shield, but holding the sword up, makes it feel like it's going to be quite different from Soulsborne games, but it's hard to say without having played it. I hope it's different, I like Sekiro a lot more than the Souls games because the combat isn't as ambiguous, you either time the deflect or you don't, but it's hard to tell exactly what you did wrong in Souls games sometimes because it's not so easy to tell when your i frames start and end. imhotep fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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tbh I'd be both shocked and really annoyed if iframes were gone, they're one of the most fundamental elements of Souls combat and really make aggressive movement more viable than if rolling was strictly evasive
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There will definitely be iframes and I'm pretty sure they are intentionally loving up the roll and getting clipped
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bop bop perano posted:Yeah, I keep forgetting that he's the first thing that they showed in the 2019 teaser if noone in the game says ohhhh the elden ring i will throw the game in the trash and poo poo!!!!
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Some Micolash looking guy is going to say 'ah the elden ring or some say the darksign' and lore nerds are going to go insane
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I just noticed on the map there's a little picture of a guy in a boat in the water. Are boats in? Is fishing IN?? Are our dreams about to come true???
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fishing is in but making the 60 hour fishing minigame mandatory to complete the game was a big mistake imho
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Cowcaster posted:fishing is in but making the 60 hour fishing minigame mandatory to complete the game was a big mistake imho
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bop bop perano posted:I didn't notice a roll that could be interpreted as having i-frames, and as someone else pointed out, it seems like you have the Bloodborne quick step-dodge instead of rolling, at least when locked on during battle, which I'm cool with. There also seems to be more of an impact when fighting things, in the gameplay footage when they're fighting the dragon, the dragon's wing knocks them on their back as does the following attack with their mouth, then they roll to stand up, so I'm not sure if that's just the animation used when you quickly get up after getting knocked down or what. Some of the more exciting gameplay stuff for me was the way the dragon as well as the other bosses shown seem to physically knock the player back in a way that other Dark Souls games didn't really have, like they hold up their sword to block another attack immediately after getting knocked down and when their head hits the character they block it but roll backwards into the same position holding their sword, which I thought might just be the result of it being the last attack that the player could actually block before their poise would have broken, since it seems like you just barely block it without getting knocked down. Also the attacks against the dragon look more 'realistic' than souls combat, when the sword hits the dragon's neck, you can see what looks like an actual cut into it's flesh. You can block with a sword and get knocked back despite blocking in other souls games. In fact that specific “land a back flip while blocking” animation has been in the games since DS1 at least. You can also definitely roll in Elden Ring. In the dragon fight clip the guy rolls out the way of a head sweep right before he hits the charged attack on the head
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skasion posted:You can block with a sword and get knocked back despite blocking in other souls games. In fact that specific “land a back flip while blocking” animation has been in the games since DS1 at least. I know, I say in that post that the character rolls, I just said specifically that I didn’t notice an instance of rolling to get I frames. The Bandai Namco YouTube page just posted these pictures  ]  
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Ooh this is nice.
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Frankston posted:Ooh this is nice. I was thinking given how much larger and open the maps would be, that they would need to adjust the death mechanic somehow. This seems like a neat mechanic if it works well
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I will simply not die and avoid the trip back.
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crouching in tall grass and breaking an enemy's posture, what is this, from software's critically acclaimed 2019 title sekiro: shadows die twice
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What is the deal with this new style of marketing for a fromsoft game? Simply a soft introduction for babby's first fromsoft game?
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Colonel Whitey posted:I just noticed on the map there's a little picture of a guy in a boat in the water. Are boats in? Is fishing IN?? Are our dreams about to come true??? Used for travelling across the map maybe?
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huh posted:What is the deal with this new style of marketing for a fromsoft game? Bandai’s takeaway from Cyberpunk2077 is that months and months of marketing hype build up before the release is good for business. You just need to release an actually good game at the end.
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huh posted:What is the deal with this new style of marketing for a fromsoft game? I think they want more normie gamers playing, they've also really been hammering on about variety of playstyles and expanding summoning options so players of all skill levels can get in on it
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Qmass posted:ummm... yes please! It's the most epic poo poo. LOOK UP AT THE SKY...IT BURNS
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It's an open world game they are probably hoping to sell millions of copies of to the people that aren't already Soulsborne diehards, some marketing like this was inevitable, HTH
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Found by hunting beasts Found by hunting birds Found by hunting ______ 
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Do you think that tail comes off?
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I'm a bit late to the "BET GAME EVER" vs "ubisoft open world trash" debate, but I have to say that while I'm still excited for the game, that gameplay trailer was... Underwhelming. I came in hoping to hear specifics about things like death mechanics, character customization, exactly how the multiplayer works differently from previous games, the combat system, etc... And they spent most of the time just describing very basic open world design. Hell, they showed off a stealth sequence that just made the game look no different from Ghost of Tsushima. I'm failing to see what unique aspect they brought to the open world design, aside from tightly designed dungeons in an open world game that you can explore from more angles than usual in a souls game. Which, mind you, sounds cool - I'm hoping they've basically designed multiple Hyrule castles from BOTW, which was a high water mark from that game. What I'd LIKE to see from this game (or a future From game): - Reimagined death mechanics that really lend themselves to an open world, and make it feel just as dangerous and rewarding as their previous games. - Multiplayer that isn't "dipping your toes into someone else's world temporarily". I want true co-op, where all players are in the SAME world, overcoming the SAME objectives. - Much expanded + improved invasion mechanics. I've really wanted a game that leans heavily into the souls invasion mechanic for a long time, yet it feels like From has DE-emphasized PvP since DS2. - Character and combat abilities that really take advantage of the open world. All we saw was... You have a horse, there are jump pads, and there's treasure convoys you can ambush. Ok? Like in every other open world game I've ever played? That's nice, I guess... - Much deeper character customization than previous souls games, with much more varied abilities in combat. Most everything we saw here is pretty much what we've seen you do in other Souls games, aside from your horse and the summons (which I REALLY hope don't trivialize combat). edit: ok and the magic kamehameha beam, that was pretty rad But yeah, like I said, I'm still looking forward to the game... But the things they chose to focus on in this trailer didn't excite me. As of right now I'm going to enjoy it simply because it's a new Souls game, but I really hope it's a lot more than that, and that the open world is used to uplift the game instead of just being tacked on in between dungeons that are the "real" meat of the game. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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huh posted:Found by hunting beasts found by hunting trinas looks like
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huh posted:Found by hunting beasts Gonna genocide me some birds
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Rotten Red Rod posted:- Much deeper character customization than previous souls games, with much more varied abilities in combat. Most everything we saw here is pretty much what we've seen you do in other Souls games, aside from your horse and the summons (which I REALLY hope don't trivialize combat). edit: ok and the magic kamehameha beam, that was pretty rad cherry picking from your post here but that magic kamehameha beam is a literal copy paste from dark souls 3
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Cowcaster posted:cherry picking from your post here but that magic kamehameha beam is a literal copy paste from dark souls 3 My secret shame is I didn't finish DS3 or Sekiro
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also in general it seems like your list of fears seems to waver between "not enough like the dark souls we've seen before" and "too much like the dark souls we've seen before" and i don't think you can worry about both of those simultaneously
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Cowcaster posted:also in general it seems like your list of fears seems to waver between "not enough like the dark souls we've seen before" and "too much like the dark souls we've seen before" and i don't think you can worry about both of those simultaneously What sure you can. Games can absolutely take the wrong lessons from their predecessors. Grandfathering in the poo poo and coming up with a new load of poo poo on top of it. Case in point Dark Souls 2’s attempts to “fix” twinking
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Cowcaster posted:also in general it seems like your list of fears seems to waver between "not enough like the dark souls we've seen before" and "too much like the dark souls we've seen before" and i don't think you can worry about both of those simultaneously They're not really fears so much as disappointment. I'm fine with it just being a new souls game, but if they've going to do open world I'd hope they'd have a justifiable reason for it. I'm not seeing anything so far that really does that. I don't think it will ruin the game, but it may end up being a missed opportunity. It'd be really sad the have From software, the people who redefined the action RPG, just copy/paste the open world formula from, well, everyone else. I'm not saying it's not enough like Dark Souls at all, in fact. It looks VERY Dark Souls. But, like, Dark Souls needs new ideas, right? I think it's entirely possible to make a new Souls game, with all the mechanics and gameplay intact, and evolve it in interesting new ways other than just refining it. Bloodborne and Sekiro proved that. I just don't think "open world" is enough when every other AAA game is already open world. I hope there's mechanics they're holding back on revealing that justify the open world more, but, I mean, this was the gameplay trailer. That's where you SHOW stuff like that. As for Good Stuff, the enemy design is better than ever. I love love love the weird, imaginative new monsters and bosses.
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Cowcaster posted:cherry picking from your post here but that magic kamehameha beam is a literal copy paste from dark souls 3 Yes they reuse assets a lot
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Reusing assets so you can focus on new content is smart and good.
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I found it very amusing they're still using the DS1 skeleton wake up animation where it places its head on its neck even though in Elden Ring its head is already attached.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Elden ring is actually a collection of all previously cut souls content Oh word, then we'll finally get a finished Lost Izalith
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Honest question: how many open world games have treasure convoys you ambush? It sounds like the kind of thing that would come up a lot, but I've played a fair number and haven't encountered any.
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