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Victory Position posted:I got vaccinated early because I handle freight, did it mess with anything like that when they were closed down? they probably had 'essential jobs' like the US, but narrower and more enforced
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i say swears online posted:they probably had 'essential jobs' like the US, but narrower and more enforced it was super serious with New Zealand, that I remember because they closed their ports and had very limited air access, so I wonder
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Victory Position posted:I got vaccinated early because I handle freight, did it mess with anything like that when they were closed down? some consumer shipping delays, but that's more to do with the lower amount of available immigrant labour. I believe delivery people were exempt from closed borders with specific work conditions. like everywhere else, overseas deliveries were also messed up (like if you're we're ordering parts from china). not sure if that was due to our borders or just general supply chain stuff though.
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crepeface posted:like everywhere else, overseas deliveries were also messed up (like if you're we're ordering parts from china). not sure if that was due to our borders or just general supply chain stuff though. I remember seeing PCB standoffs selling for $4.50 per when the stuff with China was really grinding, around March last year?
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Gripweed posted:Donald Trump didn't invent distrusting vaccines. The anti-vax movement was big and growing already, it was guaranteed to get worse during the stress of the pandemic. No president could've changed that true, but I don't think it's too much to say that trump amplified this tendency by calling covid a new democratic hoax, basically never wearing a mask, and constantly holding mass events. trump has this rapport with his base because he echoes their own disordered thinking, but he also sets the tone by saying that covid isn't real instead of saying that it's very real and only ''Trump'' can take care of it. that said I don't think the marginal difference in number of deaths is very big, most of them were already doomed by the very nature of american governance
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otoh it could have been an even dumber partisan issue the other way. kamala dipped her toe in the water when she was hesitant to say she'd take the "trump vaccine"
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lol when pfizer announced they had no idea what trump was talking about when he said a vaccine was coming out soon, and then they announced the vaccine right after the election.
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crepeface posted:what were your issues with their understanding of marxist theory? honestly curious. firstly, their class concept is out of whack. they seem to equate "bourgeois" with having a certain degree of comfort and security, rather than with a social relationship. likewise they seem to think that people are determined to act in a fairly narrow self-interest, which is very vulgar (men create their own destinies, but they do not do so under the circusmtances of their choosing yadda yadda). third, their categorisation of consciousness and ideology is deeply idealistic: they discuss the national question not in terms of any marxist literature on the issue or how the socialists of the day would've interpreted it, but in the terms of modern identity politics. granted, the latter is not a completely fruitless perspective, but they're dealing with a historical text and should take some effort to look into what was accepted as one of the biggest controversies of marxism in this period. basically they commit a series of anachronisms and category mistakes, some of which actually matter to the analysis they're trying to do. they're also consistently pretty formalist throughout the episode. these issues are in a sense understandable in that they're contemporary american nerds trying to figure this stuff out, but it all adds up imo and some of it is actually very important
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i think by the time vaccines were invented it was way too late. trump was desperate to take credit for the vaccines, they were invented under his presidency. he might as well have invented them himself! but coming after months of "masks are for pussies" and "they're trying to steal your freedoms", a huge chunk of people were forever lost to vaccines. could trump taking it more seriously at the beginning have made a difference? who knows! next time, on hinge points...
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V. Illych L. posted:these issues are in a sense understandable in that they're contemporary american nerds trying to figure this stuff out, but it all adds up imo and some of it is actually very important isnt bessner an academic? seems like he at least should not be having these problems.
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V. Illych L. posted:firstly, their class concept is out of whack. they seem to equate "bourgeois" with having a certain degree of comfort and security, rather than with a social relationship.
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if trump had taken the vaccines seriously it would have been the libs not taking it, ffs Harris said on stage she would not take a vaccine developed under trump
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Shipon posted:if trump had taken the vaccines seriously it would have been the libs not taking it, ffs Harris said on stage she would not take a vaccine developed under trump I’m not saying libs are that much smarter than CHUDs, but I do think in general their slimy lizard brain survival instincts would kick in faster than the monkey-brained gibbons of the CHUD faction
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libs would probably not be refusing the vaccine in the same proportion as conservatives are now if the vaccines came out under trump (after all, fauci is their god and he’d probably say to still take it,) but the anti-vax movement in America is mostly detached from political parties and has been festering for decades. Jenny McCarthy is a liberal. most anti-vaxxers I know are doing so either as a part of that whole “I only trust things that came from nature” bullshit that convinces everyone that non-gmo foods are inherently better, and/or a complete distrust of the government at this point, which is exacerbated by the fact that fauci and the cdc have spent the entire pandemic doing dumbass 4D chess moves that have only served to further confuse and alienate everyone Pirate Jet has issued a correction as of 15:02 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Shipon posted:if trump had taken the vaccines seriously it would have been the libs not taking it, ffs Harris said on stage she would not take a vaccine developed under trump Harris says a lot of stupid poo poo that libs choose to ignore.
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papa horny michael posted:lol when pfizer announced they had no idea what trump was talking about when he said a vaccine was coming out soon, and then they announced the vaccine right after the election. Trump gave pharma a blank check and cleared all regulatory hurtles to speed every possible covid vaccine strategy through development, and the drug companies rewarded him by stabbing him in the back and his hooting followers refused to get the vaccine.
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Bar Crow posted:Harris says a lot of stupid poo poo that libs choose to ignore. do not cum do not cum
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a.p. dent posted:i love to talk about the covid response in every thread
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yeah maybe going to C-Spam for your escapism is misguided
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a.p. dent posted:i love to talk about the covid response in every thread remember when CSPAM's modus operandi was  COVID mattered, lmao
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i don't know what to say, nearly every podcast people talk about mentions covid every episode
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Well there's your problem, a. Good podcast, does not,,,
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Honest Thief posted:isn't one entangled with the other? Or what you mean by social relationship sorry my head wasn't on right when writing that - the point is, the bourgeoisie is defined by owning the means of production in a productive capitalist economy. if you're, idk, a well-renumerated lawyer working for a big firm you're not really bourgeois even if you've got a very good salary (though realistically such a lawyer would probably be able to buy enough stocks etc to possibly skirt the line - like all categories, such things have gotten much more blurry in late capitalism)
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tiberion02 posted:remember when CSPAM's modus operandi was sure because it means the waiter wears a mask at brunch now
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cumtown DMCAing the clippers made this monday lovely, I can't go to patreon at work ffs :/
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Goa Tse-tung posted:cumtown DMCAing the clippers made this monday lovely, I can't go to patreon at work ffs :/ It's actually some Vietnamese guy who's doing that and uploading his own clips lol
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lmao that all of this is basically completely unregulated, a sea of sharks feasting on each other, burning more than an acre of forest every hour of every day all in the service of teenagers being able to upload anti-trans lo-fi Baby Shark remix music videos god is dead inshallah
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Unironically hope that account is Nick doing a bit. they announce they're having the Vietnamese guy guest on the pod and it's just Nick doing a racist voice.
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Catching up with Hell of Presidents and I'm on to the bonus episode on Presidents in film and goddamn, I always forgot just how bad the Chapos are at film analysis and history. Like, they think they're knowledgeable about movies but they leave so loving much on the table. Why is Will even here? There's so many critics and film historians you could find online who would gladly come in. I get that maybe this was suppose to be a lighter episode of the show, but for a series that's so deep in the trenches about contextualizing American character and politics through the way we mythologize the figure of the President there's an absurd amount of films they just do not even touch on and a number of straight up factual errors. Hell, there's a list on wikipedia of actors who have portrayed real Presidents they could have glanced at. Like, absolutely wild to me to just skip right over the silent era and not discuss a single western -- i.e. the entire genre about how America conceives of itself throughout the ages. You could spend half the episode just on D.W. Griffith with his staging of the Lincoln assassination in The Birth of Nation (featuring a very pallid, already dead Lincoln), his 1930 biopic Abraham Lincoln where he's played by Walter Huston, and his mostly forgotten 1924 feature America about the Revolution that features Washington and Jefferson. They're right that no one has ever really embodied Washington on film the way that Henry Fonda and Daniel Day-Lewis have done for Lincoln, but they never really get into why that is. And then they handwave away entire eras of the Presidency but it's in the esoterica that you can find some of the more fascinating poo poo. Like Ten Gentlemen from West Point, which comes out in 1942 and features William Henry Harrison leading a charge against Tecumseh. Zachary Taylor is a character in at least two westerns Rebellion from 1936 and Raoul Walsh's Distant Drums from 1951. I haven't seen it but there's an odd looking movie from a couple years ago called Raising Buchanan about a woman trying to steal James Buchanan's body where he's played by Rene Auberjonois in his final role. The whole episode just could have been about Lincoln in movies, and they forgot Raymond Massey in the "played the same President twice" club in Abe Lincoln and Illinois and How the West Was Won. Grant's been portrayed way more than they make it out to be, though often in smaller parts -- Joseph Crehan played him nine loving times. Hell they didn't even mention the absurd plot of the Jules Verne adaptation From the Earth to the Moon. There's The Price of Power a late 60s spaghetti western about the assassination of James Garfield that's a very on-the-nose metaphor for the Kennedy assassination. The 1932 Edward G. Robinson film Silver Dollar gets nicely into the whole gold/silver currency poo poo that took up the entire post-reconstruction era and has both Grant and Chester A. Arthur as characters. Grover Cleveland shows up in Robert Altman's Buffalo Bill and the Indians. There's a 1944 biopic of Woodrow Wilson just called Wilson. There's a one-man play turned film about Truman called Give 'Em Hell, Harry that netted a Best Actor nom at the Oscars. Also the Obama movie was called Southside with You. poo poo, they could have even gotten into some of the weirder fictionalized president portrayals, like Gabriel Over the White House -- a straight up fascist 1933 pre-code film where a thinly veiled FDR analogue wins the Presidency but turns out to be a total schlub so he's incapacitated and possessed by the angel Gabriel who begins running the country as a hardline fascist (this is depicted as good) and also bootlegging mafiosos do a drive-by shooting on the White House. Absolutely loving insane movie and very, very on brand for Chapo to cover. Anyway, this went way longer than I expected but just like, there's so much good poo poo they could have gotten out of this topic and they could have gone into what these portrayals say about the President and the era they were made. So it's a real waste.
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i'm not sure sure there's a whole lot to draw from the silent era, but i'm also not very familar with it. but yes westerns, for several decades, were the blockbuster movie de jour of the strong american self-made male and did a lot to rewire the brains of much post-war america into absolute mush. anyways, i think matt just likes movies but of course he's not an actual Film Guy. and it was mostly off-the-cuff lighter thing where you had to just go with something. it wasn't and couldn't be comprehensive and probably just had some general concepts of what to do and ran with it. but yes based on Time for my Stories, they are generally quite bad at visual entertainment analyses.
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Xaris posted:i'm not sure sure there's a whole lot to draw from the silent era, but i'm also not very familar with it. but yes westerns, for several decades, were the blockbuster movie de jour of the strong american self-made male and did a lot to rewire the brains of much post-war america into absolute mush. The thing about westerns is they're probably the single most misunderstood genre today. Yes, there were a lot of the rugged pioneer/self-made man stereotypes in those films but they also frequently confronted the reality of Native American genocide, imperialism, the promise of the frontier, the failings of the frontier, capitalism, gender dynamics. It was a sandbox genre for filmmakers who could spin just about any type of story out of the concept, but they're quintessentially American and reflective of the debates, values and concerns of the years they were made. Like John Wayne made a poo poo ton of those white hat rugged hero type of movies, but there's also The Searchers where he's a man whose bigotry and hatred consumes him and makes him unfit for a society that is now reconciling the violence it had to commit in order to exist. Or The Ox-Bow Incident about mob violence and the horror of capital punishment. The silent era is absolutely vital to discussing Presidents on film, even if not all the films are surviving. There's The Battle Cry of Peace from 1915, which is a rabid conspiracy-minded pro-war film released during World War I where America's enemies use pacifist pawns to drain the U.S.'s defense fund and leave it open to an invasion -- which sounds like poo poo that right-wingers today would make -- and has Washington, Lincoln and Grant as on screen characters. Unfortunately it's mostly lost now but there's a lot written about it, and Teddy Roosevelt was a big fan. TrixRabbi has issued a correction as of 00:08 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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TrixRabbi posted:Catching up with Hell of Presidents and I'm on to the bonus episode on Presidents in film and goddamn, I always forgot just how bad the Chapos are at film analysis and history. Like, they think they're knowledgeable about movies but they leave so loving much on the table. Why is Will even here? There's so many critics and film historians you could find online who would gladly come in. I get that maybe this was suppose to be a lighter episode of the show, but for a series that's so deep in the trenches about contextualizing American character and politics through the way we mythologize the figure of the President there's an absurd amount of films they just do not even touch on and a number of straight up factual errors. Hell, there's a list on wikipedia of actors who have portrayed real Presidents they could have glanced at. didnt read most of this but i hope they talked about air force one and independence day
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