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Asterite34 posted:I mean, that logic worked for Sonic the Hedgehog, right? Pokemon makes most of its money selling to literal children and more casual people nostalgic for childhood memories. The core of the games is solid for those audiences. The core of Sonic was always kinda lovely and didn't convert to 3D well, then took too long for them to realize that it was fine to keep making 2D ones.
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There's a reasonable expectation that any given game will sell big on the strength of the brand, but I think if they took mainline game sales for granted, they'd have meddled more in Game Freak's operations. Aside from the deadlines, they've got remarkable autonomy. The truth is that nobody knows why the franchise wasn't just a flash in the pan. Everybody trying to copy them has burned out, if they even got off the ground in the first place. Even Game Freak's other games are B-tier at best. They are still allowed to act like a doujin company from the 90s, including all of the deficiencies of that model like weak production values and feature cuts, because their role in the machine is not to sell lots of games. Rather, it's to rejuvenate the brand periodically, so that the merch remains in demand. BDSP is merch.
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My soon to be 7 year old daughter loves Pokemon. I want to get her a Pokemon game for Christmas but I'm not sure which one would be best (I've never played a Pokemon game). I figure we'll spend a lot of time playing together. What's the best Pokemon game on Switch to play with my kid?
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Nov 8, 2021 23:53
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Charles Mansion posted:My soon to be 7 year old daughter loves Pokemon. I want to get her a Pokemon game for Christmas but I'm not sure which one would be best (I've never played a Pokemon game). I figure we'll spend a lot of time playing together. Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu or Eevee. Those sets of games have actual co-op, and they're fairly simplified, being a GameBoy map.
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Nov 8, 2021 23:56
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MorningMoon posted:yo some for real actual spoilers Time to start a LGE game I guess
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Charles Mansion posted:My soon to be 7 year old daughter loves Pokemon. I want to get her a Pokemon game for Christmas but I'm not sure which one would be best (I've never played a Pokemon game). I figure we'll spend a lot of time playing together. Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee have a kind of drop-in co-op where with one copy a second player can run around with you and join you in battles and stuff but they can't pick up items and don't have their own team or anything so it's kind of impermanent but it's the most direct "playing together" the series has
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Charles Mansion posted:My soon to be 7 year old daughter loves Pokemon. I want to get her a Pokemon game for Christmas but I'm not sure which one would be best (I've never played a Pokemon game). I figure we'll spend a lot of time playing together. Does she have friends who are also into it as well? And what were you hoping for more specifically about "playing together?" They are primarily singleplayer games with a competitive multiplayer mode, but some of the spinoffs support cooperative and simultaneous play. The upcoming remakes get a lot of flak from old people who played the originals, which is most of this thread, so you might not get a good answer here for the needs of someone who hasn't played any of them before.
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Blaziken386 posted:a theory i saw floated around was that TPC pressured masuda into having something out for holiday release, either BDSP or Arceus, and masuda, rather understandably, threw the remakes under the bus instead of kneecapping their new project I could see the company deciding to lay one game a year down on the sacrificial alter so the stronger more promising twin can survive.
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Shneak posted:I'm convinced BDSP exists just so Pokemon fans can now unanimously agree on the worst game in the series. It'll still be DP. It's just a shame, with ORAS you could grumble at them being too faithful but at least they had some cool redesigns and Emerald is a little old so you can kinda justify sticking with more QoL, but for BDSP it's 99% the same game and Platinum is still pretty good and pretty playable.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:14
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Crosspeice posted:It'll still be DP. HG/SS felt like it struck a good balance of nostalgia and new stuff. Like, it's far from perfect (the Johto level curve not really fixed, and I want to say Kanto was still kind of thin in places.) - but following pokemon right off the bat was something easy to be excited for, then there was new stuff peppered across the game, like the Johto Safari zone.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:29
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Bongo Bill posted:The truth is that nobody knows why the franchise wasn't just a flash in the pan. Everybody trying to copy them has burned out, if they even got off the ground in the first place. Even Game Freak's other games are B-tier at best. Pokemon succeeded because it had a combination of really strong Gen I designs + a legitimately good (and most importantly, easy to understand) game + an entertaining tv series + an absolutely ridiculous marketing push in the west. Ignoring the second two (since most competitors aren't going to have the money to come out the gate with an anime or a Pokemania-esque marketing push), most of Pokemon's competitors I've personally played or pay attention to fail in either one or both of the have good game and have good monster design categories. Just a couple examples off the top of my head: Temtem's starters look like crap and aren't as instantly recognizable and likable as Bulbapedia, Charmander, and Squirtle. Digimon World was a weird, messy, and oftentimes confusing game that had like, nothing to do with the Digimon anime which I'm sure was a big turn-off for some people (such as myself). Monster Rancher was really hit-or-miss in the monster designs and while the PS1 games had a neat hook, they weren't that great. Spectrobes had a fairly decent push from Disney and the game was decent-ish, but the monster designs weren't really appealing or marketable. Dragon Quest Monsters was pre-DQ8 so it never stood a chance in the west.  Pokemon is a franchise where...everything just kind of came together really well at the beginning, and Game Freak / Nintendo / TPC was able to ride that initial momentum long enough to establish Pokemon as a big deal franchise that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. With the original games being a weird, quirky RPG released towards what was originally supposed to be the end of the Game Boy's lifespan, the franchise had a big chance of just being some niche obscure thing, but...yeah. Here we are twenty-five years later. (Also boooo Drill Dozer at the very least is an A+ game.  )
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Vandar posted:Temtem's starters look like crap and aren't as instantly recognizable and likable as Bulbapedia, Charmander, and Squirtle.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:06
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Temtem releasing in an extremely buggy early access state hasn't helped it either.
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There's just a feel and vibe to Pokemon as a franchise that no one else has really captured.
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Vandar posted:Pokemon succeeded because it had a combination of really strong Gen I designs + a legitimately good (and most importantly, easy to understand) game + an entertaining tv series + an absolutely ridiculous marketing push in the west. And when you do hit all those points, a single slip can destroy you because you're in a marathon against a near-unsinkable franchise. Just ask poor Yokai Watch.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:21
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The Bee posted:And when you do hit all those points, a single slip can destroy you because you're in a marathon against a near-unsinkable franchise. Just ask poor Yokai Watch. I'm not a Yokai Watch fan, but god, watching Level-5 sinking Yokai Watch with misstep after misstep was just depressing to see happening. Blockhouse posted:There's just a feel and vibe to Pokemon as a franchise that no one else has really captured. The mainline Pokemon games have a certain spirit of adventure that's no one else has been able to touch on, the slow escalation from leaving your hometown to standing atop the Pokemon league as champion. It's a good-feeling sensation that none of its competitors have managed to emulate.
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Vandar posted:I'm not a Yokai Watch fan, but god, watching Level-5 sinking Yokai Watch with misstep after misstep was just depressing to see happening. Personally there's something thrilling about visiting the pokemon version of actual countries and wandering through their natural environments and cities all the while building a team that you love. Pokemon is like the perfect combination of football and pet culture. Both addictive in their own way but unshakable when combined into a single monolith. People love their cats, now imagine saving the world with Mr. Whiskers because he's a badass you personally trained. It's a good feeling. I was thinking during my walk today the series that really has some of the most glorious level designs was Sun & Moon especially the Ultra versions. Just loving stunning attention to detail with flower fields with petals in the breeze, mossy caverns, tangled jungles and ocean coves. Just spectacular exploration all around. I feel like if we can get a game with Sun and Moon's story and level design with Sword and Shield's characters and open world mechanics we'll have a major winner on our hands. But that would entirely depend on how much time and energy Gamefreak puts into Gen 9 and if they're going to bother learning from past positive feedback. I mean everybody and their mother loves regional variations and thank Christ they kept that addition in. I'm just curious how much they're paying attention in general.
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The Bee posted:And when you do hit all those points, a single slip can destroy you because you're in a marathon against a near-unsinkable franchise. Just ask poor Yokai Watch. To be fair to Yokai Watch, when you're a Level-5 ip it becomes a matter of when, not if, you'll get burned to the ground.
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Oxyclean posted:Yeah, I wasn't too excited for ORAS - after X/Y gave you an explosion of pokemon to find on every route, going back to R/S/E's offering was...eh. But the Megas and post game, and general itch for pokemon sold me eventually. Maybe BD/SP will have something cool in the post game, but right now it feels like there's just not really enough elsewhere to be excited about. The Johto safari zone is not a positive
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Nodosaur posted:The Johto safari zone is not a positive How is it not a positive? I remember it opening access to a bunch of Pokémon far earlier then you'd normally be able to get them in regular G/S.
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Oxyclean posted:How is it not a positive? I remember it opening access to a bunch of Pokémon far earlier then you'd normally be able to get them in regular G/S. It's overly complicated to the point that we still don't know all the details about how it works and Bulbapedia even gave up trying to figure them all out.
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Sea Lily posted:well, since leaks have slowed/stopped(?) and passing the time is a pain, here's a thing I did Wrath and Glory could be interesting. Route 1 is full of Type: Null and Galarian Moltres. Viridian Forest has Buzzwole, Pheromosa, and Genesect. Brock has a Diancie and an Arceus-Rock; Misty has a Kyogre, a Palkia, and a Dracovish. You can get Rayquaza near Celadon, but you can't teach it Dragon Ascent until the postgame. Come to think of it, something like that probably already exists as a romhack, doesn't it?
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hoping that theyre making the one game bad in order to make the other game good is ‘bargaining’
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Vandar posted:It's overly complicated to the point that we still don't know all the details about how it works and Bulbapedia even gave up trying to figure them all out. i mean, an inscrutable Safari Zone is better than the absent one original G/S/C had 
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JoJosSiwaAdventure posted:i mean, an inscrutable Safari Zone is better than the absent one original G/S/C had My hot take is that all Safari Zones suck but that's just me.
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Golden Goat posted:I'm still looking forward to legends  Actually, I'm not really too fussed that BDSP looks very underwhelming to those who were looking for something more derivative. This game is just Diamond and Pearl with QoL features to make the games more palatable to a larger more casual audience. It also serves as a "What modern Sinnoh is like now" which is a sharp contrast to Legends Arceus, which is "What Sinnoh was like before it was known as Sinnoh". Which is where all the interesting ideas is being funneled to.
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BDSP is gonna be as good as Diamond and Pearl was, which is meh at best. Then again, I feel like Pokemon peaked in gen 2 (and gen 2 remakes) so Still gonna get it, still gonna play it.
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The great worldshaking event in Legends is that everyone will be squished down into squat gormless versions of themselves outside of pokemon battle. Battling truly is the only time they can feel alive.
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HG/SS had such a terrible levelling curve but they were so drat fun otherwise. Also Voltorb Flip was super addictive to me. Unless a lot of good news and surprises hit soon, I think Legends will be a day 1 purchase and BDSP will be a game I buy used for half off a year from now. Boy do I hope they get all the kinks in this system worked out before they remake Black and White. That's what I'm really stoked for - and I wonder if B2/W2 will get remade, or ignored like Platinum? Yes I know, I shouldn't hope, I'll get to work squelching that.
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Super No Vacancy posted:hoping that theyre making the one game bad in order to make the other game good is ‘bargaining’ Vandar posted:My hot take is that all Safari Zones suck but that's just me. I'd rather that happen without a safari zone or other gimmicks that make catching more annoying, but it's better then nothing. xedo posted:Unless a lot of good news and surprises hit soon, I think Legends will be a day 1 purchase and BDSP will be a game I buy used for half off a year from now. Boy do I hope they get all the kinks in this system worked out before they remake Black and White. That's what I'm really stoked for - and I wonder if B2/W2 will get remade, or ignored like Platinum? Yes I know, I shouldn't hope, I'll get to work squelching that. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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xedo posted:HG/SS had such a terrible levelling curve but they were so drat fun otherwise. Also Voltorb Flip was super addictive to me. Legends will inevitably leak sometime in December (thank God) and I'll decide then if I'll be doing a day one purchase. Chances are I most likely will, I want my adorable spooky Zorua after all. Unless the pokemon motions on the field somehow spectacularly poo poo the bed to point the game is almost unplayable I think it'll be fine.
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Thanks for the recommendations, thread! When I said "playing together" I meant sitting together as one of us plays. I didn't even realize there were coop mechanics in a Pokemon game but learning that I think the LGP/LPE ones might be ideal.
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Flopsy posted:Legends will inevitably leak sometime in December (thank God) and I'll decide then if I'll be doing a day one purchase. Chances are I most likely will, I want my adorable spooky Zorua after all. Unless the pokemon motions on the field somehow spectacularly poo poo the bed to point the game is almost unplayable I think it'll be fine. With them saying SwSh will stay the competitive battle space even after legends is out makes me think or hope the new pokes are backportable so worst comes to worse you'll be able to get your ghost dog and Scyther evo.
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So the ROM might've been leaked like fifteen minutes ago. Everyone's sailing the high sea torrenting it. So, uh, guess we'll see it all throughout the night. Centro is saying the file comes at under 5 gigs, so this supposed Day 1 patch might be 3 whole rear end gigs. https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeLeaks/comments/qpvmww/game_works_on_yuzu_dump_is_real/ yup, people are playing it on Yuzu right now MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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I’ve never had a bad experience playing a Pokémon game. Even the bottom tier entries will keep me occupied for like fifty hours.
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Framboise posted:BDSP is gonna be as good as Diamond and Pearl was, which is meh at best. Then again, I feel like Pokemon peaked in gen 2 (and gen 2 remakes) so Pretty much. Which is a shame when factoring in 15 years of innovations, console hardware (even if a hilariously underpowered one), and a next gen price hike means it's gotta be graded on a curve hard in response. Like, objectively speaking, it remains to be seen whether new additions like following Pokemon and the heavily expanded Underground outweigh the affection mechanics and XP share being near-unavoidable, but even if it ends up the objectively better game I'd be super hard pressed to rank it over the originals, you know? They'd probably be two of the bottom three, though especially when Platinum completely smokes any other way of experiencing Sinnoh.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:With them saying SwSh will stay the competitive battle space even after legends is out makes me think or hope the new pokes are backportable so worst comes to worse you'll be able to get your ghost dog and Scyther evo. Oh yeah I'm counting on that but if you go a few pages back you'll note I'm also a very particular breeder. I like to make sure the new mons are in balls that match them aesthetically. And honestly so far I haven't actually seen anything in game that's really putting me off too hard. Backgrounds and pokemon animations seem to have modestly improved. The art direction is fine, not amazing but it's passable and the trailer music is absolutely beautiful. Combine that with new ride pokemon and fight mechanics there's enough there that I think I'll enjoy myself. Even Sword and Shield had enjoyable bits although the online made me want to throw myself out a window some days. Christ trying to connect is still loving chore if you don't constantly go back and refresh. But since I don't think that's going to be a big game mechanic in Legends that's a moot point in and of itself. I very very rarely use my money for games as it is so picking up one at the beginning of next year is fine. I actually kinda appreciate there's only one version of it too. Cuts down on having to guess what version I'd like. Still I never preorder and I will be combing over the leaks carefully to make sure there's nothing in there that's going to make the game unplayable.
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