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Jaxyon posted:"Recovery" is the only remotely positive choice and 3/4 of the people didn't pick it. Actually, that's not what it means. The conversation we were having about this a page or two ago was that a lot of people are PERSONALLY doing better, but think that "the economy" is doing worse. There is a difference between the two, and other recent polling that emphasizes the difference. I will also say that I feel like the fact the results are THAT close to each other might just mean that a lot of people don't really know what the terms mean. Besides that, what are you supposed to pick if you think "the economy in a year will be about the same as it is now"? Presumably the intention of the pollster is that "stagnation" would be your pick then, but it has a really negative connotation. I feel like the "Do you think (you/the economy) will be better, worse, or about the same this time next year?" phrasing is much more neutral and clear to the listener. That said, I think the polling people were looking at from a day or two ago had like 60% doing better personally but 66% believing "the economy" was in trouble, so public sentiment seems to agree that something is still missing from "the economy" at the moment (whether it be too much inflation, stuff out of stock, less people at the mall, or whatever) E: I was looking at the rest of the poll and some of the results are wild - 11% say they would vote for a third-party candidate if 2024 is between Biden and Trump. It's more than twice the number that say they won't vote or haven't decided who they would vote for. Interesting to see the breakdown on the recon bill - 47% for, 43.5% against, 9% undecided. I was looking at the bottom for any crosstabs that might be useful for trends and noticed that the sample skewed fairly heavily towards the wealthy - is that typical for RV screens? BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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BougieBitch posted:Actually, that's not what it means. The conversation we were having about this a page or two ago was that a lot of people are PERSONALLY doing better, but think that "the economy" is doing worse. There is a difference between the two, and other recent polling that emphasizes the difference. I think just the vague generalization of "The Economy" makes it hard to answer, and the working and ruling classes have vastly different answers as to what The Economy even is.
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Yinlock posted:I think just the vague generalization of "The Economy" makes it hard to answer, and the working and ruling classes have vastly different answers as to what The Economy even is. Yeah, I don't really disagree with that either, it mostly seems like it would encapsulate the same things as the "right direction/wrong direction" question to begin with, so if you want to answer a specific question about the economy you should just ask it (i.e. food insecurity, personal wages up/down, concerned about losing your job, unable to pay bills, w/e)
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For the people that can’t seem to understand the I agree with policy they don’t share my value divergence in that poll think about it this way. Say you are center left to left . Totally in line with progressive policies. But you are a parent. A public conversion about is it moral to have children by a prominent (D) politician occurs. There ya go. That’s as simple as it is to gently caress that shares my values duck.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Hawley has been an odd politician since he came into office. He spent a number of years saying that he wanted to ban game companies from doing things like loot boxes (which border on gambling and are illegal in a good chunk of Europe, but not here). Now he's going all-in on this weird anti-porn, anti video-game stance. I said this in the Right Wing Media thread, but all these chud grognards who are obsessed with video games, cartoons, porn, and comic books to the point where it's their identity now are gonna be in for a hell of a shock when it turns out it's actually their own political allies who come for and destroy all the things they love and not leftists like they fear.
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nine-gear crow posted:I said this in the Right Wing Media thread, but all these chud grognards who are obsessed with video games, cartoons, porn, and comic books to the point where it's their identity now are gonna be in for a hell of a shock when it turns out it's actually their own political allies who come for and destroy all the things they love and not leftists like they fear. I think it's pretty smart rhetoric. He's appealing to the low self-esteem of the vulnerable young men who make up the alt-right, promising salvation in traditional masculinity and the fascist political project. Would be very interesting to see some kind of data that would show if the marks are biting. I wonder what reddit incels think about this...
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None of this is actually isolated to economic questions either. For nearly 30 years of falling crime rates, and falling violent crime rates in particular, a large percentage of the US population remained utterly convinced that things were getting worse rather than better. That was and still is a tough nut to crack, since it made things harder for politicians that didn't want to go hyper "tough on crime" penal populism. Not least because the solutions intended to hasten already declining crime rates in a way that's actually good for people just don't line up well with people who earnestly if delusionally believe things have been getting worse and worse even since the genuine peak of the late 20th century violence. The fact that American society is still in fact violent explains some of why, but knowing that fact doesn't present any easy solution that many of the communities harmed by the war on crime still demand more, or at least balk when you propose serious steps to dismantle it.
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nine-gear crow posted:I said this in the Right Wing Media thread, but all these chud grognards who are obsessed with video games, cartoons, porn, and comic books to the point where it's their identity now are gonna be in for a hell of a shock when it turns out it's actually their own political allies who come for and destroy all the things they love and not leftists like they fear. Surely the leopards will not eat THEIR face.
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It's a stock RW move insofar as it takes downstream consequences of problems and reframes them into problems in and of themselves. It just seems v misguided because you're talking about threatening the dopamine buttons of a whole lot of people who probably aren't gonna be that jazzed to give those things up to join the Hawley Youth
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:It's a stock RW move insofar as it takes downstream consequences of problems and reframes them into problems in and of themselves. It just seems v misguided because you're talking about threatening the dopamine buttons of a whole lot of people who probably aren't gonna be that jazzed to give those things up to join the Hawley Youth He's selling them the dream of giving up those things and becoming "normal". There was no talk of making porn or video games illegal, right? So he's not actually threatening them. I imagine a lot of them will be excited with the prospect of joining the Hawley Youth, in a fantasy future where fascists are in power and things are going well for them. fart_man_69 fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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fart_man_69 posted:He's selling them the dream of giving up those things and becoming "normal". There was no talk of making porn or video games illegal, right? So he's not actually threatening them. Yet. The second part only comes after he gets the power to try and do it.
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This dude really has a finger on the pulse. People don't want the nanny state giving them more help, they've gotten enough. They don't want billionaires taxed. They're worried about the debt. They're worried about pork. They hate the democrats for doing good things. Biden needs to spend his time doing nothing (legislatively) but, instead, should somehow win back all his lost popularity before the midterms. Doing more is a political risk and see how badly BBB is polling. Heavens to Betsy! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/maybe-biden-should-quit-while-hes-ahead-200343146.html It never occurs to people like him that maybe Biden wasn't well-liked as a politician or person in the first place. His high polling numbers were a comparison with him perceived as the only available alternative. Or maybe it was the promise that he and democrats would do good things.
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Is this the right place to ask for a good update on the Rittenhouse case? I've been trying to keep up with it. Some of what I saw recently has me thinking the prosecution had a not so good showing from one of their witnesses.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted::jfc: He's insane. In an alternate universe, Josh Hawley is one of those losers who wears dresses up as a Minuteman and carries around a copy of the Constitution.
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The Bananana posted:Is this the right place to ask for a good update on the Rittenhouse case? I've been trying to keep up with it. Some of what I saw recently has me thinking the prosecution had a not so good showing from one of their witnesses. The EMT who survived being shot by Rittenhouse (who was treating one the people Rittenhouse had already shot and killed) claimed that he was armed and raised a gun at Rittenhouse as he stalked towards him and that was what caused Rittenhouse to shoot him too, implying that Rittenhouse actually shot him in self-defense... after he'd already shot and killed two people prior to that. And because juries are dumb, this prosecutor sucks, and the judge is trying to slant everything in his favor the murderous little white supremacist poo poo is gonna walk scot free.
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fart_man_69 posted:He's selling them the dream of giving up those things and becoming "normal". There was no talk of making porn or video games illegal, right? So he's not actually threatening them. I think we're mostly on the same page about what he's actually doing, and you might be right. I still feel like it's pretty bold to set your political hopes explicitly against the psychological addictions of much of your base, but it might be a compelling enough alternative
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The Bananana posted:Is this the right place to ask for a good update on the Rittenhouse case? I've been trying to keep up with it. Some of what I saw recently has me thinking the prosecution had a not so good showing from one of their witnesses. My understanding is that a witness today doesn't bode well for the charged offense, and people seem to be wondering why they went with murder 1 instead of a lesser charge. I am just an idiot though so don't listen to me.
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-Blackadder- posted:In 1938, Swedish sociologist Gunnar Myrdal encountered rural children who not only insisted Long was alive, but that he was president. This is my new conspiracy theory Gonna hunt through the White House looking for Biden until I stumble across Huey Long in the Oval Office signing legislation
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I think we're mostly on the same page about what he's actually doing, and you might be right. I still feel like it's pretty bold to set your political hopes explicitly against the psychological addictions of much of your base, but it might be a compelling enough alternative Yeah, I said a lot of them might fall for it but I really have no idea. I'm super curious about it, but don't feel like going to alt-right spaces to poll them about it. Any courageous goons willing to do some science? 
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With the caveat that I didn't watch the interview and just read the excerpts posted (and tweeted) by Axios, that Hawley bit reads more like him trying to reference insecurities than just saying video games and porn are bad. Basically, I agree with this:fart_man_69 posted:He's selling them the dream of giving up those things and becoming "normal". There was no talk of making porn or video games illegal, right? So he's not actually threatening them. I'll add that it's not like building in some notion of self denial and repression being Truly Manly is new to the alt right, particularly with respect to masturbation. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Willa Rogers posted:From the new Suffolk poll, and following up on econ-chat: Maybe Americans are too dumb for politics?
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They’re going to turn us back into a British colony. First they side with the royals against Harry and Meghan, now they try to make “wanker” an insult
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As a patriot I will never punish someone for posting "wanker" I mean, probably, unless doing so would be funny
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Shammypants posted:Maybe Americans are too dumb for politics? I fear it's worse actually, politics has become too dumb for Americans. Most of them don't pay attention to it at all. Epic High Five posted:As a patriot I will never punish someone for posting "wanker" wanker
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nine-gear crow posted:The EMT who survived being shot by Rittenhouse (who was treating one the people Rittenhouse had already shot and killed) claimed that he was armed and raised a gun at Rittenhouse as he stalked towards him and that was what caused Rittenhouse to shoot him too, implying that Rittenhouse actually shot him in self-defense... after he'd already shot and killed two people prior to that. And because juries are dumb, this prosecutor sucks, and the judge is trying to slant everything in his favor the murderous little white supremacist poo poo is gonna walk scot free. Awesome. Great. Very cool and good. Thumbs up America.
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Epic High Five posted:As a patriot I will never punish someone for posting "wanker" Wanker's Corner is an actual place in Oregon. Wikipedia posted:In 1895, the Wanker family moved to the area and bought land where they built a store and tavern, an area later to become Wankers Corner at the intersection of Stafford Road and Borland Road.[2] It has frequently been noted on lists of unusual place names.[3] The two buildings currently located at Wanker's Corner are the Wanker's Country Store and the Wanker's Corner Saloon and Cafe. It is not a recognized community, it has never had a post office, nor does it consistently appear on maps of Oregon (although the AAA map of Oregon shows it in an inset). The United States Geological Survey classifies Wankers Corner as a "locale": "a place at which there is or was human activity".[4][5] 
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eviltastic posted:Wanker's Corner is an actual place in Oregon. No post office? It is beneath my omnimalevolent gaze. It is spared by grace of god and its meager proportions
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nine-gear crow posted:The EMT who survived being shot by Rittenhouse (who was treating one the people Rittenhouse had already shot and killed) claimed that he was armed and raised a gun at Rittenhouse as he stalked towards him and that was what caused Rittenhouse to shoot him too, implying that Rittenhouse actually shot him in self-defense... after he'd already shot and killed two people prior to that. And because juries are dumb, this prosecutor sucks, and the judge is trying to slant everything in his favor the murderous little white supremacist poo poo is gonna walk scot free. Wait what the gently caress? Like a witness called by the prosecution ended up painting the shooting as self defense? If that's the case, the prosecutors are spiking the ball.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Wait what the gently caress? Like a witness called by the prosecution ended up painting the shooting as self defense? If that's the case, the prosecutors are spiking the ball. quote:The only protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse to survive testified on Monday that he believed the U.S. teenager was an "active shooter" and was trying to disarm Rittenhouse when a bullet from the teen's semi-automatic rifle severed part of his arm. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/survivor-shooting-by-us-teen-rittenhouse-testify-pivotal-moment-trial-2021-11-08/ It's probably not great for the prosecution, but given who the witness is it's hard for me to see how the prosecution would have been able to avoid him testifying at some point, so I'm not sure it's "spiking the ball." Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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He's going to walk. That's way more than the racist jury needs to acquit him.
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Epic High Five posted:No post office? It is beneath my omnimalevolent gaze. It is spared by grace of god and its meager proportions
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Shrecknet posted:I lived in Wilson, Wyoming for a year (population 33!) and we had a post office, so imagine how small Wankers Corner is Personally I’d want privacy
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I feel like "I had my gun out pointed at the guy who I'd just seen murder two people" isn't THAT stellar for the defense.
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Shrecknet posted:I lived in Wilson, Wyoming for a year (population 33!) and we had a post office, so imagine how small Wankers Corner is just a single whack shack town
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Hellblazer187 posted:I feel like "I had my gun out pointed at the guy who I'd just seen murder two people" isn't THAT stellar for the defense. For this to track, the jury has to unanimously accept that the two prior shootings were murders. With gun culture the way it is in the US, good luck with that.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I feel like "I had my gun out pointed at the guy who I'd just seen murder two people" isn't THAT stellar for the defense. It is when the judge is treating the whole trial as a formality before ruling "Not Guilty on the grounds of Boys will be boys."
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Conservatives and shithead moderates always fixate on gas prices when they go up under Dem presidents. They didn't give a poo poo when they went up under Bush or Trump, and they didn't give any credit to Obama when they went down under him. In my state, people were complaining when gas prices were low under Obama because it was "bad for the energy industry". You and I remember the Bush years very differently. I wasn't too tuned into the conservative sphere then, but I remember the moderates were definitely talking about them all the time. I remember it splashed all over the news every week. Hardcore Rs may be able to mind-trick themselves into forgetting it, but the rest of America was very concerned. Edit: BougieBitch posted:Consumer gas prices don't necessarily track 1-to-1 to diesel prices, and the cost of transport is usually a small fraction of the total cost of goods. 1. Both gas and diesel are tracked to the price of crude, so they are indeed linked. 2. Transport may be a small part of the cost, and so is electrical, and so is refining, harvesting etc. You hear it all the time when the news talks about the increasing cost of running a tractor having a rippling affect on food prices. All those little bits can add up if the price of gas spikes suddenly. PS not a fan of this timer. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I said this in the Right Wing Media thread, but all these chud grognards who are obsessed with video games, cartoons, porn, and comic books to the point where it's their identity now are gonna be in for a hell of a shock when it turns out it's actually their own political allies who come for and destroy all the things they love and not leftists like they fear. People still remember Tipper Gore, and Hillary Clinton cosying up to Jack Thompson. The anti-new media and moral panic lobby has been a bipartisan thing for a long time, and has gotten a new lease on life with the TERF alliance.
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Willa Rogers posted:From the new Suffolk poll, and following up on econ-chat: I hope you're not being sarcastic, because if you don't think "a lot of these people have warped perceptions" when you see them having a choice between all four possible economic states and the results are almost equal across all four, by definition most of them can't possibly have anything BUT a warped perception
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Shammypants posted:Maybe Americans are too dumb for politics? Or maybe.... those are meaningless terms to most people and they just think has my life gotten better or worse lately. Worse? We're definitely in a recession and or depression. If I had to describe how the economy has been playing out to most Americans stagnant is definitely a word pretty high up there.
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