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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:whichever one of you loving nerds buys that poo poo better scan it into a pdf and upload it to the forums or imma take your water mark my loving words martin shkreli already bought it
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Mister Speaker posted:martin shkreli already bought it i searched my heart, i know it's true 
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Wizard Master posted:No respect! Imperial Suk doctor Vinnie Boombatz
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It helps to be amenable to 90s and 60s kitsch. D2K is a very shallow adaptation of the book that nonetheless wants to remind you of the book It's fun for what it is. It's another version of dune to compare against the others which is fun
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:the overnight cultural rehabilitation of the miniseries going on rn is almost as pathetic as 'The Prequels Are Good'. remove yourself from my sight! Baudolino? That's a blast from the past. I see his eye for quality has not improved
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Fuschia tude posted:Baudolino? That's a blast from the past. In England,Shropshire, Wroxeter, two 18teen year old boys are still entering an abonend bunker as they always will be, world without end.
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If you have absolutely no money then the Dune Miniseries is probably the best adaptation of Dune you could hope to make.
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Alchenar posted:If you have absolutely no money then the Dune Miniseries is probably the best adaptation of Dune you could hope to make. the videogames were better and cost less to make 
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Ramc posted:It was fall again, and with the changing of the leaves the ancient Frank Herbert dared. jfc jumping on this post resurrection train because my god it's perfect
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Fuschia tude posted:Baudolino? That's a blast from the past. “There is nothing better than imagining other worlds,” he said, “to forget the painful one we live in. At least so I thought then. I hadn’t yet realized that, imagining other worlds, you end up changing this one.” -Baudolino from Baudolino, and also basically Paul Dune from Dune
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Alchenar posted:If you have absolutely no money then the Dune Miniseries is probably the best adaptation of Dune you could hope to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRy18Euw6W4
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So in their little galactic jihad, I guess the spice-addicted Fremen had to take loads of the spice melange around with them to get their fix like the Jem Hadar? Is that ever a problem or is it just, oh we put some in the MREs. After this all kicks off, are Fremen still exclusively born on Arrakis? Also, I've never seen geriatric to mean "life-extending" in any context except Dune. Is that an archaic usage of the word, or Herbert-only.
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zoux posted:Also, I've never seen geriatric to mean "life-extending" in any context except Dune. Is that an archaic usage of the word, or Herbert-only. As far as I can tell, unique to Herbert (the word "geriatric" is relatively new). It's not an improper use of the word, though, since it's derived from the Greek gḗras, meaning "old age". Something about Iranian state media being Lynch Dune fans is funny to me. https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1458394115075416066
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zoux posted:So in their little galactic jihad, I guess the spice-addicted Fremen had to take loads of the spice melange around with them to get their fix like the Jem Hadar? Is that ever a problem or is it just, oh we put some in the MREs. After this all kicks off, are Fremen still exclusively born on Arrakis? I don’t think it’s ever mentioned. They must have had spice with them or they’d die, and Fremen food is always infused with spice. So yeah, in the MREs, why not. The Fremen hosed a lot of people during the jihad. That was kind of the whole point of it. But it doesn’t seem like there are ever “offworld Fremen”. Offworld kids wouldn’t have the eyes of Ibad and they definitely wouldn’t be trained in the traditional ways of the desert and all that. Maybe there’s something in Messiah or Children that I’m forgetting, but it doesn’t seem like the jihad caused any real spread of Fremen culture. The opposite really, after a period of Fremen all over the place they kind of turn inward under Leto, go back home and eventually dwindle away with the desert. They’re desert creatures and need to change if they want to live elsewhere.
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Alchenar posted:Greatest school play ever filmed. That's a lot goofier than I remember it being.
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I Greyhound posted:That's a lot goofier than I remember it being. The whole shebang is like that, it kind of blends into the context
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skasion posted:I don’t think it’s ever mentioned. They must have had spice with them or they’d die, and Fremen food is always infused with spice. So yeah, in the MREs, why not. yeah the Jihad ultimately destroyed Fremen culture. by the time of God Emperor they don't really exist in any meaningful way except as an ersatz tourist attraction. "museum Fremen."
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Yeah, like the BG, the Fremen got what they wanted and it wrecked them. When your whole culture is based on thriving in absolute poverty and harboring a grudge against the rest of civilization forever, how are you going to cope with being handed wealth and status?BeanpolePeckerwood posted:the overnight cultural rehabilitation of the miniseries going on rn is almost as pathetic as 'The Prequels Are Good'. remove yourself from my sight!
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skasion posted:I don’t think it’s ever mentioned. They must have had spice with them or they’d die, and Fremen food is always infused with spice. So yeah, in the MREs, why not. Dune Messiah discusses how the mundane bureaucracy of government gets suffused with Paul's cult on a galactic scale. The Fremen sweep through the galaxy spreading the word of their savior and those planets that don't get razed or destroyed are indoctrinated (or else). So even on a planet far off from Arrakis, if you wanted to get a building permit to expand your business you'd have to contend with someone at local government who has drunken the cool-aid. This seeps into every aspect of daily life, much like Cold War authoritarian states. edit: Herbert touches on this, but like a lot of things in the Dune universe, doesn't go into great detail. The Fremen Jihadists would absolutely need a daily spice bump if they were to survive going off world. Spice in the MRE's is a good idea, but again, Herbert never discussed this. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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Automatic Slim posted:Dune Messiah discusses how daily bureaucracy government and gets suffused with Paul's cult on a galactic scale. The Fremen sweep through the galaxy spreading the word of their savior and those planets they don't raze or destroy are indoctrinated (or else). So even on a planet far off from Arrakis, if you wanted to get a building permit to expand your business, you'd have to contend with someone at local government who has drunken the cool-aid. This seeps into every aspect of daily life, much like Cold War authoritarian states. Yeah there's a line where Paul is recounting other famous "emperors" like Hitler while comparing their "Crusades", and casually mentions the Fremen have wiped out like 50 other religions. Speaking of spice, the whole point of it was the wealthy used it in their food constantly for it's life extending effects, so it's not impossible that Paul could just stop "selling" spice to the houses and instead feeding it to the soldiers for however many years it takes. I think the whole point is the Guild, the BG, maybe the Great Houses sat on massive, massive stores of spice since the Guild only took payment in Spice, but once the Guild was neutered suddenly the supply is way higher. pentyne fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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Do the Fremen have to survive while on their Jihad? They don't need spice MREs if they're just going somewhere to fight and die for the cause. I wonder how many of those religions are "genuine" religions vs BG implanted cults. Once the cult/religion is established on Arrakis, any variant on another planet becomes a threat. It's probably easier to subdue, without force, great powers (the Guild, the BG, the Great Houses of the Landsraad) than it is to subdue the religious fanatics of any other backwater planet with nothing to lose.
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skasion posted:The whole shebang is like that, it kind of blends into the context It's necessary. If you don't have the budget for big sets of vfx or any of the things that DV uses to establish that this world is strange and different then you have to dress everyone up in goofy costumes and tell them to act really weird.
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YoursTruly posted:Do the Fremen have to survive while on their Jihad? They don't need spice MREs if they're just going somewhere to fight and die for the cause. Fremen are dependent on Spice, but so were most modestly well-to-do families in the Galaxy, I thought? And I don't think it takes a ton of Spice to keep them coherent. I'd imagine a nice Spice coffee to start the day is probably enough, and it's basic and essential enough to be an indispensable part of their rations regardless of whether they're fighting on or off Arrakis. And if that's not enough, they can raid the palatial kitchens of the local administrative center for dietary Spice supplements, since anyone who was anybody added a little to their food.
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Automatic Slim posted:So even on a planet far off from Arrakis, if you wanted to get a building permit... you'd have to contend with someone at local government who has drunken the cool-aid. This Fremen HOA is why houses on Tupile are so expensive! E: vvvvvv Actually, if you Fremillenials didn't waste money on avocado spice toast... threelemmings fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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A handful of spice will buy you a home on Tupile, so I don't think the middle class is putting spice in their morning coffee. I assume it's as rare and expensive as whatever Satanic elixir keeps Henry Kissinger and Nancy Pelosi alive.
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Alchenar posted:If you have absolutely no money then the Dune Miniseries is probably the best adaptation of Dune you could hope to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIzTat3OD3w
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Alchenar posted:It's necessary. If you don't have the budget for big sets of vfx or any of the things that DV uses to establish that this world is strange and different then you have to dress everyone up in goofy costumes and tell them to act really weird. yeah, like in star trek
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YoursTruly posted:I wonder how many of those religions are "genuine" religions vs BG implanted cults. Once the cult/religion is established on Arrakis, any variant on another planet becomes a threat. It's probably easier to subdue, without force, great powers (the Guild, the BG, the Great Houses of the Landsraad) than it is to subdue the religious fanatics of any other backwater planet with nothing to lose. There’s no evidence that I’m aware of that the BG do this. They don’t invent religions out of whole cloth. They insert their agenda into existing religions and cultures in a more subtle way.
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Jewmanji posted:There’s no evidence that I’m aware of that the BG do this. They don’t invent religions out of whole cloth. They insert their agenda into existing religions and cultures in a more subtle way. Yeah I got the impression that the majority of their mission was less about inventing religions and more about emphasizing stuff that's already common in many religions like "this mysterious wise woman who knows your ways is different and spiritually powerful and good for you" Less them creating the religions and more them slowly guiding it and educating themselves so they can ingratiate themselves to the peoples' faiths on different worlds easily. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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YoursTruly posted:Do the Fremen have to survive while on their Jihad? They don't need spice MREs if they're just going somewhere to fight and die for the cause. there were only a few million fremen total and they each had like a thousand-kill quota, plenty hard enough to keep that up when you're not going through the psychic DTs
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Alchenar posted:It's necessary. If you don't have the budget for big sets This is an odd comment because the sets were all built from scratch on the largest soundstage in Europe. There are zero location shots in the miniseries. The palace at Arrakeen might have been one of the largest sets ever constructed at the time.
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Neo Rasa posted:Less them creating the religions and more them slowly guiding it and educating themselves so they can ingratiate themselves to the peoples' faiths on different worlds easily. This is actually a subtle point I hadn't thought deeply about before. A lot of Jessica's skill and talent in the book comes from being highly educated, she talks about recognizing accents and languages and root words, and uses those inferences to work people. Recognizing chakobsa words is how she knows how the ritual should go.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:there were only a few million fremen total and they each had like a thousand-kill quota, plenty hard enough to keep that up when you're not going through the psychic DTs Daily Fremen Schedule: Death Death Death Death Death Spice Lunch Death Death Death Coffee Service Death Death Sand Shower….
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