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Balloon Time Hooray! posted:Thinking about upgrading from my current build, replacing both my main PC (for work at home, gaming, amateur streaming/video editing) and reusing the older parts to replace an even older Phenom II PC I've been using as a HTPC/emulation machine in the living room. I'd be carrying over a bunch of stuff from the existing build to the new PC, including the case SSD & HDD, and GPU. I also just have some extra parts around (a Silverstone ml07B case, a Dark Rock Pro 3 cooler), so using those to save on cost would be cool. No one replied, so I went ahead and did it since it must've not been blatantly offensive to anybody. Got it to post on the first try, so that's nice. I did run into a couple unanticipated issues,
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How are Gigabyte's Intel motherboards? I recall hearing about an issue with a bad bunch of power supplies, and some complaints about their RMA process, but I can't tell if they're valid issues or just that people with bad experiences are more likely to talk about them. I was considering the Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 for an Alder Lake build so I was curious.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:quick question, which I hope I am overthinking. Butterfly Valley posted:You're not overthinking it because loving around with PSU cables can destroy your PC and the answer in most cases would be an absolute no. This is fascinating. I would have looked at those identical back panels and instantly swapped without thinking about it (or at least told someone else to do that, maybe if my $2000 worth of parts were on the line I would be more paranoid)
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pairofdimes posted:How are Gigabyte's Intel motherboards? I recall hearing about an issue with a bad bunch of power supplies, and some complaints about their RMA process, but I can't tell if they're valid issues or just that people with bad experiences are more likely to talk about them. I was considering the Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 for an Alder Lake build so I was curious. That's at least a different audio chip, the one on my Aorus Z590 pops on start up and wake up. Their software is kind of poo poo, their app center continually tries to install Norton. Otherwise, not completely terrible?
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All motherboard software is poo poo so that's kind of a wash
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Rinkles posted:Ended up picking up a Lancool II Mesh. Seems to have pretty good reviews, and was only $80 on Woot (+$6 shipping). Never heard of “Woot;” is it like “Wish” or “AliExpress?” Both of which apps I have and use to buy weird tech poo poo with LEDs and non-essential or non-important stuff. Some stuff is like Christmas in August because it shows up three months late but only cost $3 six months ago (like some Japanese screwdrivers specifically for pulling apart an old Toshiba laptop). I had forgotten I even ordered them, but I was able to use both 4GB RAM chips to bump my Dell from 6->8GB. Now I just need to find a compatible SSD because I’d forgotten what “boot speed” was and my 5400 HDD in the laptop is torturous waiting on Windows boot…
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Woot is owned by Amazon and offers rotating daily deals
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change my name posted:Woot is owned by Amazon and offers rotating daily deals Neat! I’ll look it up then!
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The Lancool II doesn't come with a back fan, I'm guessing that's something I should rectify?
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Yes you should definitely have a rear exhaust fan
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes you should definitely have a rear exhaust fan Got suggestions for something cheap but effective?
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Rinkles posted:Ended up picking up a Lancool II Mesh. Seems to have pretty good reviews, and was only $80 on Woot (+$6 shipping). Dang, that's a good deal. Yeah, I'd put the Lancool II Mesh a tier above the P400A and 4000D Airflow, but it's usually around $120 so I didn't mention it. edit: Get an arctic P12.
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Alarbus posted:That's at least a different audio chip, the one on my Aorus Z590 pops on start up and wake up. Their software is kind of poo poo, their app center continually tries to install Norton. Otherwise, not completely terrible? Thanks, I guess if you don't notice your motherboard that's a good sign.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:edit: Get an arctic P12. PWM or regular?
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Rinkles posted:PWM or regular? PWM. Not sure what kind the Lancool II Mesh ships with but PWM enables you to finely tune fan speeds with a fan curve. edit: The RGB version of the Lancool II Mesh uses 3-pin fans. That uses DC voltage control to control fan speed in three stages. I guess PWM on the exhaust fan would be unnecessary then, but if it's just a buck more, then you may as well. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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Gamers Nexus pointed this out but if you're looking to build a Ryzen system, the 5800x is on sale for $330 at Micro Center right now. It's also like $360-380 on Amazon.
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Alarbus posted:That's at least a different audio chip, the one on my Aorus Z590 pops on start up and wake up. Their software is kind of poo poo, their app center continually tries to install Norton. Otherwise, not completely terrible? Is this the Elite or the Pro? Cause apparently the Pro, which is the more premium model, has thermal issues, and maybe some kind of defect. I was considering picking up the Pro, because it's discounted on Amazon.
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My faithful but crusty old PC (an i7-860 system from ibuypower that was a Black Friday special in 2009) is getting increasingly unstable. I'm old now and not into building my own stuff anymore. I read the material about prebuilts in the OP, but I'm still leaning in that direction. Basically I'd like a desktop that is capable of midrange or at least light gaming, plus the usual office tasks. I want what I think everyone wants from a prebuilt: A) a decent case, with reasonably solid, standardized (replaceable/serviceable) components, with parts that actually meet their claimed specs; B) everything competently assembled and configured, with OS installed so it's ready out of the box; and C) lack of bloatware or spyware or weird proprietary poo poo. Does anyone have a system builder they can recommend? I'm not necessarily looking for the rock bottom cheapest system, I'm willing to pay a little more if it actually gets me quality components and assembly.
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Number_6 posted:My faithful but crusty old PC (an i7-860 system from ibuypower that was a Black Friday special in 2009) is getting increasingly unstable. I'm old now and not into building my own stuff anymore. I read the material about prebuilts in the OP, but I'm still leaning in that direction. Basically I'd like a desktop that is capable of midrange or at least light gaming, plus the usual office tasks. I want what I think everyone wants from a prebuilt: A) a decent case, with reasonably solid, standardized (replaceable/serviceable) components, with parts that actually meet their claimed specs; B) everything competently assembled and configured, with OS installed so it's ready out of the box; and C) lack of bloatware or spyware or weird proprietary poo poo. Does anyone have a system builder they can recommend? I'm not necessarily looking for the rock bottom cheapest system, I'm willing to pay a little more if it actually gets me quality components and assembly. B will be the biggest issue. Everyone seems to gently caress up to some extent on a relatively frequent basis, and things can come loose in shipping. There are ultra expensive prebuilts like Falcon Northwest that presumably do better, but you're paying more than a little more for them. For everyone else (and probably even Falcon Northwest and similar expensive SIs), I'd double check their work upon receiving the system and make sure that everything is seated properly, no loose connections, no loose screws, etc, before turning the system on. With that said, I'd look at systems with an RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti in them, like this one: https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali570/p/N82E16883360205 ABS is newegg's house brand. I've seen some positive reviews of them, and some goons have been happy with their systems, but I've also seen some reports of loose cables and that kind of thing from time to time. They use standard off-the-shelf components (though the motherboards typically have a slightly altered product code that makes flashing their bios more difficult than it needs to be), and there's no bloatware that I'm aware of. I would trust them over ibuypower. I've also heard good things about Skytech. It looks like you can use their custom gaming PC configurator to build a PC with a 3060 for less than $1500. I'd recommend for your purposes the Mark V with an Intel i5 11400 CPU, one of the mesh cases, the Hyper 212 CPU cooler (the dark rock coolers would be quieter if that's what you want), the Asus Prime B560-Plus motherboard, 16GB DDR4-3600, the RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti (The 3060 can run everything out right now at 1080p smoothly, while the 3060 Ti can do 1440p more reliably than the non-Ti), and leave everything else the same. That comes out to $1448 to $1548. This is actually more reasonable than I was expecting. edit: That ABS PC actually just dropped in price slightly and I did my math wrong anyway like an idiot. ABS is a decent bit cheaper than Skytech. Impressions of ABS' prebuilts have been generally positive but not glowing. It's a bit hard to justify a $1450 PC with a 3060, but it's easier to justify a $1550 3060 Ti PC (There's nothing on Newegg that matches that at the moment). So the Skytech with a 3060 Ti still gets my vote for a fairly powerful midrange gaming PC. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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Rinkles posted:Is this the Elite or the Pro? Cause apparently the Pro, which is the more premium model, has thermal issues, and maybe some kind of defect. I was considering picking up the Pro, because it's discounted on Amazon. I have the Z590 Aorus Pro AX because it came with the newegg bundle, I was comparing it to the Z690 the OP asked about. I'm not super thrilled with it, I was really happy with the Asrock on my old 8700k. I'll have to check that video out. As a result of needing to trade in my office for a nursery, I'm in ye olde basemente with a much cooler environment, so hopefully I have extra free cooling.
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Alarbus posted:I have the Z590 Aorus Pro AX because it came with the newegg bundle, I was comparing it to the Z690 the OP asked about. I'm not super thrilled with it, I was really happy with the Asrock on my old 8700k. According to Hardware Unboxed it had higher temps than even the Gigabyte UD, which is like two tiers below. And then there's the buildzoid video, but I'm not sure if it's a major issue in normal use cases. The amount of USB 3 ports it has is nice, at least. It's 40% off on Amazon, making it cost as little as the UD. Rinkles fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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The Z690 Aorus Pro appears to have fixed the thermal problems, and Buildzoid quite likes it, actually (though mainly for overclocking reasons): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0pluVy5EFg The Aorus Elite appears to be very similar to that but with maybe a couple overclocking features missing. It's probably decent, though I'm not sure what exactly it's doing that, say, an MSI Pro Z690-A won't do for $50 cheaper.
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I get manic after ordering parts, ugh. I posted a Ryzen 5600x build which I got excellent feedback, one thing I noticed is that I ordered 3600MHz CL18 memory instead of CL16 or lower. Is that a big performance tradeoff? If not, any fuckery needed besides setting an XMP profile?
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homeless posted:I get manic after ordering parts, ugh. I posted a Ryzen 5600x build which I got excellent feedback, one thing I noticed is that I ordered 3600MHz CL18 memory instead of CL16 or lower. Is that a big performance tradeoff? If not, any fuckery needed besides setting an XMP profile? Yeah I feel bad about maybe posting too much in this thread, but these are expensive things and I would like to make sure I'm not making mistakes.
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don't feel bad? this is the pc building thread u can post all you want about building pcs. it's great.
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homeless posted:I get manic after ordering parts, ugh. I posted a Ryzen 5600x build which I got excellent feedback, one thing I noticed is that I ordered 3600MHz CL18 memory instead of CL16 or lower. Is that a big performance tradeoff? If not, any fuckery needed besides setting an XMP profile? It’s not enough to stress over. Difference is minimal enough where I wouldn’t go through the hassle of returning. Rinkles posted:Yeah I feel bad about maybe posting too much in this thread, but these are expensive things and I would like to make sure I'm not making mistakes. Better you post your questions now than later in a panic after you gently caress up and we can’t help you.
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Rinkles posted:Yeah I feel bad about maybe posting too much in this thread, but these are expensive things and I would like to make sure I'm not making mistakes. 
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Same Rinkles, same. Thanks again everyone.
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There was a really good x570 deal on Woot ($100 for a new Asus Prime X570 AM4), but it didn't have wifi so I didn't want to gamble. OP says built in is better. Is it a significant difference? Good wifi is pretty important to me. Looking at amazon, PCIe wifi cards aren't cheap either.
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Number_6 posted:My faithful but crusty old PC (an i7-860 system from ibuypower that was a Black Friday special in 2009) is getting increasingly unstable. I'm old now and not into building my own stuff anymore. I read the material about prebuilts in the OP, but I'm still leaning in that direction. Basically I'd like a desktop that is capable of midrange or at least light gaming, plus the usual office tasks. I want what I think everyone wants from a prebuilt: A) a decent case, with reasonably solid, standardized (replaceable/serviceable) components, with parts that actually meet their claimed specs; B) everything competently assembled and configured, with OS installed so it's ready out of the box; and C) lack of bloatware or spyware or weird proprietary poo poo. Does anyone have a system builder they can recommend? I'm not necessarily looking for the rock bottom cheapest system, I'm willing to pay a little more if it actually gets me quality components and assembly. I got an IBuyPower 3070 rig back in April through Newegg, and it has been doing fine with temperatures and performance every day. I was lucky enough to bargain for an upgraded PSU (650->750), I bought a Win10 PRO upgrade from LODGE NORTH here on SA Mart for $5 (working Win7 key, still viable), and recently had a free upgrade from 16GB 3200 RAM to 64GB from a family members last WFH box. I use dual, mismatched TVs as monitors, but both run at 1080p/60fps and I have rarely seen temps go higher than 45°C even playing Control (my newest generation game right now). I have had no customer service stories because even my last IBuyPower prebuilt (December2010) worked fine and never had anything come up except for a memory upgrade that was my fault in the first place and I fixed it myself, too. I have seen (ITT!) some folks have a hard time with the company, but anecdotally my two IBP systems have been flawless and use primo parts through Newegg sourcing.
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Rinkles posted:There was a really good x570 deal on Woot ($100 for a new Asus Prime X570 AM4), but it didn't have wifi so I didn't want to gamble. OP says built in is better. Is it a significant difference? Good wifi is pretty important to me. Looking at amazon, PCIe wifi cards aren't cheap either. You probably want a B550 board anyway. I’d shoot for integrated.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:B will be the biggest issue. Everyone seems to gently caress up to some extent on a relatively frequent basis, and things can come loose in shipping. There are ultra expensive prebuilts like Falcon Northwest that presumably do better, but you're paying more than a little more for them. For everyone else (and probably even Falcon Northwest and similar expensive SIs), I'd double check their work upon receiving the system and make sure that everything is seated properly, no loose connections, no loose screws, etc, before turning the system on. Thanks a lot for the detailed post! Mulling over those systems right now. That ABS deal is priced attractively and is probably "good enough" for me (500 gb SSD is kinda weak though). And I wish I had more control over the cooling options.
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Word of warning/advice for anyone who gets an Aorus board: My PC just crashed twice in a row and I thought it was because of my new monitor. But after restarting, my Bluetooth was just... gone. Windows didn't even register that I had an adapter plugged in despite the integrated WiFi on my B550 ITX Aorus still working, even after restarting multiple times and trying to download new drivers. Apparently this is a known issue that I kind of discounted when buying this MOBO because I didn't think it would happen to me (it's seemingly rare but I guess not too rare) So if this happens to you, just shut your computer, unplug it, and press the power button a few times. I have absolutely no clue why this works but it fixed everything. change my name fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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change my name posted:Word of warning/advice for anyone who gets an Aorus board: My PC just crashed twice in a row and I thought it was because of my new monitor. But after restarting, my Bluetooth was just... gone. Windows didn't even register that I had an adapter plugged in despite the integrated WiFi on my B550 ITX Aorus still working, even after restarting multiple times and trying to download new drivers. Apparently this is a known issue that I kind of discounted when buying this MOBO because I didn't think it would happen to me (it's seemingly rare but I guess not too rare) I also encountered this issue on the same board but when I was googling it I found that it was a general problem with lovely Bluetooth chipsets on mobos from all manufacturers and not specific to gigabyte. A hard power cycle always fixes it though and anecdotally I haven’t had a reoccurrence of it in a long time, maybe since the last BIOS update.
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Number_6 posted:Thanks a lot for the detailed post! Mulling over those systems right now. That ABS deal is priced attractively and is probably "good enough" for me (500 gb SSD is kinda weak though). And I wish I had more control over the cooling options. One thing I did with both of my prebuilt computers (2010 & 2021) was not only to remove the internal packing materials, but after a thorough cleaning I took all the parts off the screwed-in motherboard (except for processor/cooler, a bit of professional assembly was expected) to look them over followed by careful reassembling and reseating everything before I ever tried to POST. I was more nervous about bending a pin or wiping off thermal paste myself if I had popped out the Intel, but POST went smoothly. Again, it may be anecdotal, but I popped it open a couple of weeks ago to upgrade a part, and it had very little dust inside and the temps are good ergo the design and airflow must be ok. If you want, 7200rpm HDDs are cheaper-per-TB every day. I have a new m.2 1TB drive getting close to full of games, but backups, photos/videos, and documents/e-reading go on external drive(s) anyway. Even an extra 2.5” SSD of any size internally aren’t too expensive since Chia faded away, and still fast enough to not notice loading times these days. Good luck with your new system!
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change my name posted:Word of warning/advice for anyone who gets an Aorus board: My PC just crashed twice in a row and I thought it was because of my new monitor. But after restarting, my Bluetooth was just... gone. Windows didn't even register that I had an adapter plugged in despite the integrated WiFi on my B550 ITX Aorus still working, even after restarting multiple times and trying to download new drivers. Apparently this is a known issue that I kind of discounted when buying this MOBO because I didn't think it would happen to me (it's seemingly rare but I guess not too rare) Okay, actually, now I'm going insane. I hooked up my new monitor yesterday, a Gigabyte M27Q (1440p 170hz IPS panel), and so far my computer has hard locked and crashed three times already but only on the desktop/in Word etc, not when my GPU is being run at 100% in a game. This never happened on my previous monitor, what could be the cause? I'm running it at 170 hz in HDR mode but that wouldn't bust my system up, would it? Specs are: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $200.00) CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (Purchased For $40.00) Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $180.00) Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $78.00) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $54.99) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card (Purchased For $1000.00) Case: NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case (Purchased For $50.00) Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $100.00) Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $13.00) Case Fan: NZXT Aer F 63.02 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $0.00) Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 87 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $0.00) Total: $1715.99 Edit: I just disabled hardware acceleration in Chrome and toggled my power allocation for my 3070 from normal to max as some other people appear to be having this problem too, will update if it crashes again change my name fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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