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Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Our kids always lose stuff. Why do we tolerate them destroying the planet?


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It’s not just about the money or even, really, the time. I’m an environmentalist. I’ve educated myself about the pollution embedded in supply chains, the destroyed forests, the plastic in the oceans. Such knowledge is disturbing in itself, but it also feeds a sense of social alienation. Among the wealthy parents in gentrified Brooklyn, I’m unusual in my willingness to inconvenience myself, at least to some degree, to cause less harm to the Earth.


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Suddenly, the industrial-sized laundry bins that serve as the lost-and-found at my son’s school loom into view with a new clarity. It’s not just our stuff! I thought during one of my weekly digs through the strata: water bottles at the bottom, mixed with Rubik’s Cubes, fidget spinners, Pop Its and Tupperware, then coats and shoes, then sweatshirts, with a sprinkling of books jumbled in. When did all this losing become normal?


This article has moments of clarity and purpose sprinkled in amongst total insanity and it is Glorious. :stare:

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T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

kater posted:

wait what do you mean military is exempt from climate change. did it bring a loving note from its parents saying so? it’s gonna sit out during dodgeball?

and the answer is to make a more electric military? I know I shouldn’t expect a politician to mug for the camera and say ‘ya got me guess the game is up we weren’t gonna save poo poo’ but I know I heard the word jobs uttered in that fuckin autocomplete gibberish.

Both of them gave such a horrible non-response that I feel they should be given some kind of award. I feel like I felt watching Clay Davis talk his way out of mortgage fraud on the Wire

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

Rime posted:

Our kids always lose stuff. Why do we tolerate them destroying the planet?



This article has moments of clarity and purpose sprinkled in amongst total insanity and it is Glorious. :stare:

Here's something I didn't see coming, but between this and Obama's speech at COP26 it's pretty clear that the older generations are going to be gradually shifting the responsibility and onus of action onto the younger generations. You'll be hearing things like "You want to save the planet so badly? Do something about it!" and "In your life you've also contributed to climate change, so you're not exactly blameless yourselves" and "Yeah we messed up, but the world was still salvageable until you all came along." And you know what? There's going to be a sufficient number of young people who accept all that and believe it that they aren't going to do anything either, not that they could stop what's coming either way.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
"hey we won ww2, you fix the planet!" - boomers

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

T-Paine posted:

Here's something I didn't see coming, but between this and Obama's speech at COP26 it's pretty clear that the older generations are going to be gradually shifting the responsibility and onus of action onto the younger generations. You'll be hearing things like "You want to save the planet so badly? Do something about it!" and "In your life you've also contributed to climate change, so you're not exactly blameless yourselves" and "Yeah we messed up, but the world was still salvageable until you all came along." And you know what? There's going to be a sufficient number of young people who accept all that and believe it that they aren't going to do anything either, not that they could stop what's coming either way.

I'm pretty sure this woman is a millenial, and wrote this under the duress of incredible Crack Ping existential terror, lol.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

kater posted:

wait what do you mean military is exempt from climate change. did it bring a loving note from its parents saying so? it’s gonna sit out during dodgeball?

and the answer is to make a more electric military? I know I shouldn’t expect a politician to mug for the camera and say ‘ya got me guess the game is up we weren’t gonna save poo poo’ but I know I heard the word jobs uttered in that fuckin autocomplete gibberish.

Either our government is so senile and stupid they think promising to do literally meaningless things in 10-30 year timespans will actually help a problem they don't actually understand while they dodder around and ignore the giant fleet of boats idling their engines or our leaders know what we know and have chosen to do really do nothing about climate change itself while strengthening our military because an act of global charity would weaken our economy and defense spending as we head into a period of open warfare and conflict.

It's probably why China doesn't give a poo poo about curbing it's emissions either. If you knew there was no solution there would be no reason to performatively cut back on domestic development and defense spending no matter what the emissions are.

Promising electric vehicle incentive programs or "protecting 30% of all land" in ten years is just to keep the trade flowing so we can keep making boats while the majority of the population is distracted by meaningless summits populated by increasingly concerned peoples that are just now beginning to realize whats going on.

ricecult
Oct 2, 2012




Gavin Newsom couldn't go because his kids made him do Halloween instead.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/gavin-newsom-public-absence-kids-intervention/index.html

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

man, this tuvalu headline just stunlocked me

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Either our government is so senile and stupid they think promising to do literally meaningless things in 10-30 year timespans will actually help a problem they don't actually understand while they dodder around and ignore the giant fleet of boats idling their engines or our leaders know what we know and have chosen to do really do nothing about climate change itself while strengthening our military because an act of global charity would weaken our economy and defense spending as we head into a period of open warfare and conflict.

even if they don't consciously know that there's no fixing things, they do firmly believe that economy and military comes first, always have, and will until the end

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Crusader posted:

man, this tuvalu headline just stunlocked me

I need to know what will happen to my .tv domain name when Tuvalu goes under

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.


Saw this at the Wellcome Collection in London and immediately thought of this thread (the exhibition has nothing to do with climate change, mind)

kneelbeforezog
Nov 13, 2019

Car Hater posted:

I'm a horrible person with a recent baby death in my family and just imagining how pissed that kid would have been to learn his parents spent $$$$ on in-vitro to bring him into hellworld has me like "yeah little buddy! You did it! You escaped! :unsmith:"
Preface as an atheist and amateur philosopher listener, something is better than nothing, meaning its better to have one good year and 90 years of torture than none at all. Because the torture is better than the not torture, otherwise something isnt better than nothing.

Maybe not in that extreme torture example, but he'd/she'd have gotten a few good years in and some mediocre years before the real downfall. Also feelings of hope etc. The entire human population can fit in Texas. Fusion was a conmans perpetual energy snake oil dream but now ,who knows, it may be a thing in 30 years. Or they say it may not be a thing because supply chains will break down not allowing for all the parts to come together to create it? Idk but either way, even a societal collapse where theres not even a single good supply chain to make technological breakthroughs in isn't so bad. Hunter gather tribes and poo poo,with guns instead of spears. Wild wild west globally, whats the big deal?

kneelbeforezog has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Nov 10, 2021

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


kneelbeforezog posted:

Preface as an atheist and amateur philosopher listener, something is better than nothing, meaning its better to have one good year and 90 years of torture than none at all. Because the torture is better than the not torture, otherwise something isnt better than nothing.

Maybe not in that extreme torture example, but he'd/she'd have gotten a few good years in and some mediocre years before the real downfall. Also feelings of hope etc. The entire human population can fit in Texas. Fusion was a conmans perpetual energy snake oil dream but now ,who knows, it may be a thing in 30 years. Or they say it may not be a thing because supply chains will break down not allowing for all the parts to come together to create it? Idk but either way, even a societal collapse where theres not even a single good supply chain to make technological breakthroughs in isn't so bad. Hunter gather tribes and poo poo,with guns instead of spears. Wild wild west globally, whats the big deal?

I find your optimism refreshing

Wakko
Jun 9, 2002
Faboo!
sir, this is an arbys, but pass me the joint through the window and you can just go off okay

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Cold on a Cob posted:

even if they don't consciously know that there's no fixing things, they do firmly believe that economy and military comes first, always have, and will until the end

Yeah, the outcome is the same.

I just think there have to be secret defense briefings about how supply chain instability and food scarcity is going to cause some of our foreign sources of vital supplies to collapse or fight with other people. We all know it's coming so someone somewhere has to be saying the same thing to them.

I just can't reconcile the level of incompetence that would have to be on display to just coincidentally fund historic military budgets with zero fanfare while we also coincidentally dramatically increasing our domestic sources of fossil fuels right before we are expecting global unrest and destabilization due to the deteriorating climate. The United States just unintentionally through it's greed happened to position itself perfectly for the Climate Wars while actually trying to mitigate climate change in the most inept and unconcerned ways possible?

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Either our government is so senile and stupid they think promising to do literally meaningless things in 10-30 year timespans will actually help a problem they don't actually understand while they dodder around and ignore the giant fleet of boats idling their engines or our leaders know what we know and have chosen to do really do nothing about climate change itself while strengthening our military because an act of global charity would weaken our economy and defense spending as we head into a period of open warfare and conflict.

It's probably why China doesn't give a poo poo about curbing it's emissions either. If you knew there was no solution there would be no reason to performatively cut back on domestic development and defense spending no matter what the emissions are.

Promising electric vehicle incentive programs or "protecting 30% of all land" in ten years is just to keep the trade flowing so we can keep making boats while the majority of the population is distracted by meaningless summits populated by increasingly concerned peoples that are just now beginning to realize whats going on.

our entirely government had been made up of nothing but total waste of space morons who only wanted money and kids to rape for like 70 years, and now they're all 90 years old with dementia

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007
https://twitter.com/physorg_com/status/1458355310813401093
https://i.imgur.com/kDZc7cz.mp4
me too bees.... me too

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

DO SOMETHING!

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

kneelbeforezog posted:

Preface as an atheist and amateur philosopher listener, something is better than nothing, meaning its better to have one good year and 90 years of torture than none at all. Because the torture is better than the not torture, otherwise something isnt better than nothing.

Maybe not in that extreme torture example, but he'd/she'd have gotten a few good years in and some mediocre years before the real downfall. Also feelings of hope etc. The entire human population can fit in Texas. Fusion was a conmans perpetual energy snake oil dream but now ,who knows, it may be a thing in 30 years. Or they say it may not be a thing because supply chains will break down not allowing for all the parts to come together to create it? Idk but either way, even a societal collapse where theres not even a single good supply chain to make technological breakthroughs in isn't so bad. Hunter gather tribes and poo poo,with guns instead of spears. Wild wild west globally, whats the big deal?

Slider
Jun 6, 2004

POINTS

Wakko posted:

sir, this is an arbys, but pass me the joint through the window and you can just go off okay

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

Koirhor posted:

DO SOMETHING!

my favorite fact about this is how if the hornet gets in, a common method for bees do dispose of the wasps is to just get really close to it in untold numbers, and flap their wings SO HARD it just warms up the place just high enough for the wasp to die of heat exposure.

Literally cooking wasps as a defence.

Ssthalar
Sep 16, 2007

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/10/india/india-toxic-foam-intl-hnk/index.html

quote:

The white froth, a mixture of sewage and industrial waste, formed over the last week in sections of the Yamuna River -- a tributary of the holy Ganges River -- which flows about 855 miles (1,376 kilometers) south from the Himalayas through several states.

The pungent foam contains high levels of ammonia and phosphates, which can result in respiratory and skin problems, according to experts.

quote:

"The river in Delhi's stretch is an ecologically dead river," said Bhim Singh Rawat, from the South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People (SANDRP). "It doesn't have fish or fresh water birds. That has been the case for years now."

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Popoto posted:

my favorite fact about this is how if the hornet gets in, a common method for bees do dispose of the wasps is to just get really close to it in untold numbers, and flap their wings SO HARD it just warms up the place just high enough for the wasp to die of heat exposure.

Literally cooking wasps as a defence.

this loving owns

makes me think it might be neat if someone setup a program to keep breeding honeybees and then exposing them to the killer wasps and breeding the ones that survive, repeat until you have stone cold wasp killers, then breed a shitload of them and release them into the wild

idk there's probably a million things i'm not thinking of here and idk how much something like that would cost

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1458470584749334530?s=20

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!
Any time the greening of the military or any net-zero by 2050 bullshit comes up I am reminded that the U.S. Air Force intends to maintain "global force projection dominance" via the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress until at least that year.

The B-52 bomber burns 3000 gallons of fuel per hour.

The purpose of this program is to place nuclear or extremely explosive heavy non-nuclear ordinance anywhere in the world in that 1 hour. It is in essence a back-up to the deterrent posed by ICBMs and Nuclear Subs.





We are committing omnicide so that the general managers of this lovely chain will never have to back down from what is functionally history's dumbest pizza delivery guarantee.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Car Hater posted:

Any time the greening of the military or any net-zero by 2050 bullshit comes up I am reminded that the U.S. Air Force intends to maintain "global force projection dominance" via the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress until at least that year.

The B-52 bomber burns 3000 gallons of fuel per hour.

The purpose of this program is to place nuclear or extremely explosive heavy non-nuclear ordinance anywhere in the world in that 1 hour. It is in essence a back-up to the deterrent posed by ICBMs and Nuclear Subs.





We are committing omnicide so that the general managers of this lovely chain will never have to back down from what is functionally history's dumbest pizza delivery guarantee.

just make it burn 3,000 gallons of biofuel an hour jeez. why arent you a forward thinker

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


so basically, we need the military to stop the climate change that it's one of the biggest contributors to

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you
It seems a bit more sinister than that.

They need the military to protect their own citizens and secure themselves when we reach climate collapse.

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.
They've already militarized the police anyway and look how well that's gone

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Have we tried shooting the climate?

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.

Cold on a Cob posted:

this loving owns

makes me think it might be neat if someone setup a program to keep breeding honeybees and then exposing them to the killer wasps and breeding the ones that survive, repeat until you have stone cold wasp killers, then breed a shitload of them and release them into the wild

idk there's probably a million things i'm not thinking of here and idk how much something like that would cost

dude


gently caress yeah :black101:


Cold on a Cob posted:

"hey we won ww2, you fix the planet!" - boomers

boomers, by definition, did not win ww2 and have been coasting on the coattails of their parents for literally their entire lives

i'm sure some of them actually think they did, tho



nomad2020 posted:

Have we tried shooting the climate?

now this is the sort of pragmatism this thread need :911:

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Cold on a Cob posted:

this loving owns

makes me think it might be neat if someone setup a program to keep breeding honeybees and then exposing them to the killer wasps and breeding the ones that survive, repeat until you have stone cold wasp killers, then breed a shitload of them and release them into the wild

idk there's probably a million things i'm not thinking of here and idk how much something like that would cost

You'd end up with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvIHtXc_Urg

Steely Dad
Jul 29, 2006



nomad2020 posted:

Have we tried shooting the climate?

Does nuking the sky count? We’ve also tried nuking the ocean, nuking deserts, and even nuking cities

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...



Now here's a post I can get behind

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Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug

Wakko posted:

sir, this is an arbys, but pass me the joint through the window and you can just go off okay

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