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Imagine I posted that comic where the guy is "maybe society not so great" and then the other guy is like "but YOU society, hmm!!!" in response to all of the people saying "well, you don't have to buy both versions" as though that means something.
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I’m not gonna decry Game Freak because their games are popular but calling them two separate games is a bit of a stretch. They make one game, and then they mix it up a bit
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Nov 10, 2021 18:49
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Bleck posted:Imagine I posted that comic where the guy is "maybe society not so great" and then the other guy is like "but YOU society, hmm!!!" in response to all of the people saying "well, you don't have to buy both versions" as though that means something.
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Bleck posted:Imagine I posted that comic where the guy is "maybe society not so great" and then the other guy is like "but YOU society, hmm!!!" in response to all of the people saying "well, you don't have to buy both versions" as though that means something. consider getting a grip, op
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Nov 10, 2021 18:50
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You just buy the one version and then ask friends or internet strangers to send you the ones that don't come in your version if you're the 2% of players who try to get a complete Pokedex. It's pretty easy to not buy the game twice.
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Nov 10, 2021 18:51
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"You don't have to buy both" doesn't really go far enough, "it's an actively weird decision to buy both" is the true stance Just play a pokemon. Statistically you're unlikely to complete the Pokedex which is the only thing affected, and if you did try to then you have a mountain of goons to trade with
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Nov 10, 2021 18:51
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mycophobia posted:consider getting a grip, op
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Lastdancer posted:Looks like there's some 『Extremely Important Pokemon Information』 Pokemon fans should read I love Shaymin!
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Martman posted:Managed to get an OLED Switch at Target after only like a day of seriously searching for one, thought that would be way harder. The secondary switch needs to check the internet before it can launch games, to make sure the primary one isn't playing the game. My oled was my secondary then I went somewhere without wifi and it refused to launch any games because it couldn't verify. I dunno maybe I was doing something wrong but be advised I guess. I've since made the oled my primary
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Nov 10, 2021 19:03
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mycophobia posted:consider getting a grip, op I have the Satisfye one and it’s pretty solid. Would recommend.
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Is this real? Why is it wired? Are we dead?
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Nov 10, 2021 19:05
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Hammer Bro. posted:I may've glossed over when it happened but what's the offense here? Just poorly written with likely-inflammatory intent, something to do with the language itself, or some context I'm missing? A page late but my impression is that it's inflammatory. If you scroll through their post history, it's mostly just replies meant to rile other people up rather than genuinely discuss the product. I usually scroll past anime haters posts because they're so bad Those types of posts are exhausting and not entertaining for anybody other than the silly geese who like to jump in and insult other posters over video game opinions but they're a (very loud) minority. Nobody wants that
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Nov 10, 2021 19:06
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Detective No. 27 posted:You just buy the one version and then ask friends or internet strangers to send you the ones that don't come in your version if you're the 2% of players who try to get a complete Pokedex. It's pretty easy to not buy the game twice. Literally noone is being like "i gotta buy both" and it's pretty much all "they've made a very thin excuse to market it as two versions." like, it's also really easy not to buy loot boxes, particularly in games where you can also earn the currency through grinding. and yet it's still something that should gently caress off from gaming.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:07
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they've been doing this for 25 years, why are nerds up in arms about it now???
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Nov 10, 2021 19:08
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the two versions got me to trade and do some multiplayer poo poo with pokemon back when i was a kid which is something would never have tried otherwise so they're good in my book
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Nov 10, 2021 19:09
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Haha yeah I'll be the first to criticize Nintendo over their dumb decisions but being mad about pokémon being the exact same ROM is just ridiculous. You don't have to buy both of them to play the game. If you do buy both of them, what do you want em to do? Create a separate identical file n add a bunch of junk code so it's not the exact same ROM anymore? Logistically it makes zero sense Oxyclean posted:like, it's also really easy not to buy loot boxes, particularly in games where you can also earn the currency through grinding. and yet it's still something that should gently caress off from gaming. What would your proposed solution to this be? What can they do to make this fair to the consumer or whatever
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Oxyclean posted:like, it's also really easy not to buy loot boxes, particularly in games where you can also earn the currency through grinding. and yet it's still something that should gently caress off from gaming. That's a really bad comparison. Nintendo doesn't offer a way to purchase Pokemon or in game purchases at all (within actual mainline Pokemon games at least), and they even give away legends constantly. The very genesis of the franchise was social interaction and that's one of the things that has kept it so popular. No one is literally saying "I need to buy both versions" but they're acting like it.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:The secondary switch needs to check the internet before it can launch games, to make sure the primary one isn't playing the game. My oled was my secondary then I went somewhere without wifi and it refused to launch any games because it couldn't verify.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:11
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They should start selling Pokemon games with built in randomizers. Or all games, really.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:13
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Quantum of Phallus posted:they've been doing this for 25 years, why are nerds up in arms about it now??? Like, maybe people just didn't really think too hard about it before now. They just kind of accepted "two versions of pokemon" is just the way they do things. As well, old games, the cart also held your save file, and was cheaper then home console games, so the argument for buying the other copy had more arguments for. I just find it funny people are defending it with "it encourages trading & you can find a friend with the other version" like everyone doesn't already know that, and as if no other game has managed to figure out how to encourage trading without selling multiple versions. KingSlime posted:What would your proposed solution to this be? What can they do to make this fair to the consumer or whatever Sell "Pokemon Diamond and Pearl" and at the start of the game they ask you "Do you like diamonds or pearls" or something, and that determines the unique stuff you can get.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:14
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Oxyclean posted:because the revelation that the version difference in the latest game is just a simple code flag is shining a light on it? who caaaares
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Oxyclean posted:because the revelation that the version difference in the latest game is just a simple code flag is shining a light on it? lmao at anyone who thought different
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If the issue is that making two versions of the same game is predatory, yes, I would agree with that. But that's the entire identity of the franchise and consumers who buy into it are clearly okay with it. This is nothing new or recent for pokémon. Just because you can peek into the code doesn't make this anymore or less egregious in my opinion, still the exact same scenario it has been for 20 years. I do like your idea of hey which version would you like to play? Some compilation games such as the mega Man Battle Network 5 DS game did do exactly just this. But then would you lock the other content away? Because if you don't that would eat into sales that the pokémon franchise operates around. It might not be "fair" to the gamer, but at the corporate level this needs to happen. It's the entire purpose of franchise and they are pretty transparent about how this works/ what you get when you only pay for one version I think the move is to just not play games that do this, but I don't fault pokémon fans for thinking this is a complete non-issue. KingSlime fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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Nov 10, 2021 19:18
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Oxyclean posted:because the revelation that the version difference in the latest game is just a simple code flag is shining a light on it? Even as a kid never thought that they coded two near-identical games twice (maybe using Unity made it even easier for them though).  Oxyclean posted:I just find it funny people are defending it with "it encourages trading & you can find a friend with the other version" like everyone doesn't already know that, and as if no other game has managed to figure out how to encourage trading without selling multiple versions. No other game has ever come close to Pokemon's level of success either. You seem to think Gamefreak hasn't "figured out" something when they've figured out that what they have works and prints an absolutely obscene amount of money and so they have no reason to change course.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:19
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ruby and sapphire are 16MB each, and a binary patch to turn one into the other is only about 300kb it's always been like this
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Oxyclean posted:I just find it funny people are defending it with "it encourages trading & you can find a friend with the other version" like everyone doesn't already know that, and as if no other game has managed to figure out how to encourage trading without selling multiple versions.t. it's less applicable these days with the internet and poo poo but it did exactly that for me as a kid
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back in the red and blue days ,only one kid had both versions and two Gameboys. His double Mewtwo team was unbeatable and if you tried to get him to trade you mons from the version you didn't have he would, but only in exchange for starters or legendaries. later on another kid got a GameShark and started handing out mews, and expressly would not give the first kid one, and it caused bad blood for a comically long time
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Detective No. 27 posted:That's a really bad comparison. Nintendo doesn't offer a way to purchase Pokemon or in game purchases at all (within actual mainline Pokemon games at least), and they even give away legends constantly. The very genesis of the franchise was social interaction and that's one of the things that has kept it so popular. It's the same logic behind poo poo like "pay to skip grinds" - oh well it doesn't give you an advantage, they're not selling you something you otherwise can't get. Like, it doesn't make it less weird or "unnecessary" I really don't think criticizing the selling of two versions of the same product should be seen as particularly weird or controversial.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:22
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"gotta catch em al" my butt!!!!
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Oxyclean posted:Sell "Pokemon Diamond and Pearl" and at the start of the game they ask you "Do you like diamonds or pearls" or something, and that determines the unique stuff you can get. i feel like this would make people more mad lol
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Nov 10, 2021 19:23
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more like pokemon pearl clutching, heh
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Oxyclean posted:because the revelation that the version difference in the latest game is just a simple code flag is shining a light on it? The games have always been programmed this way. quote:Sell "Pokemon Diamond and Pearl" and at the start of the game they ask you "Do you like diamonds or pearls" or something, and that determines the unique stuff you can get. This is a question you answer when you go to the store or eShop to purchase the game. It's a non-issue that people are trying to turn into one. Even at my youngest and most influential years I'd never bought both versions. Ironically, the only times I've gone out of my way to buy both versions of a generation was Sun/Moon and the Ultras, and that's because I'm working on a complete 3DS library. And those are the worst mainline games in the franchise.
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hotdog feet posted:"gotta catch em al" my butt!!!! gotta catch em all was a catchy marketing slogan back in the 90s but it was dropped when the monster count started inching closer to four digits i caught them all, once. it involved a lot of grinding and lurking gamefaqs threads for dupes of event pokemon
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Detective No. 27 posted:The games have always been programmed this way. sumo da best
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Looper posted:gotta catch em all was a catchy marketing slogan back in the 90s but it was dropped when the monster count started inching closer to four digits never noticed they dropped that slogan. lazy modern gamers. casuals.
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why don't they just make one game that has all the mons in it. why do two versions at all
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I guess i could agree that pokemon having two versions is probably slightly iffy on a base level but it's so extremely minor that's it's pretty much a non-issue
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FFXIV Porn posted:why don't they just make one game that has all the mons in it. why do two versions at all Money Multiplayer appeal Literal identity of the franchise Those are just the ones I can come up with from the top of my head Andrast posted:I guess i could agree that pokemon having two versions is probably slightly iffy on a base level but it's so extremely minor that's it's pretty much a non-issue It was awful when mega Man Battle Network decided to do it so I'm inclined to think its just dumb. But I also don't care about having a complete pokédex or anything like that, so I personally am not bothered by Pokemon doing it. the two version thing is specifically designed to trigger people's FOMO which is kind of sketch
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