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p sure that other games with only one version still have multiplayer appeal maybe they could call it something kind of like diamond and pearl, but different. like idk, platinum or something? i dunno.
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hotdog feet posted:never noticed they dropped that slogan. lazy modern gamers. casuals. actually i think I'm wrong, they dropped it and then brought it back. crafty...
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Oxyclean posted:it's not a bad comparison because Nintendo absolutely knows there is a non-zero amount of customers who will buy both. Two version exist entirely so someone can potentially buy both, otherwise, they'd just make it a choice when you start your game, and it would achieve all the same effects of making players trade with one another. At this point you're going to bat for maybe 10 people. This ain't even a gambling issue like live service games. In fact, it's more grind because someone who buys both versions is going to spend 60 hours doing the same content twice for a minor difference when they could literally ask a friend or go on the internet and get the exclusive Pokemon within minutes. Someone who buys both versions is making a stupid choice and it's one they're well aware of and not even compelled to.
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if you're not playing romhacks where everything has huge pokeboobs, i don't know what to tell ya
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FFXIV Porn posted:p sure that other games with only one version still have multiplayer appeal You're right, but the trading and showing off your pokémon appeal goes down significantly when you both have access to the exact same monsters. Ultimately it's absolutely about money more than anything but it does encourage multiplayer interactions a little bit more largely due to that FOMO and wanting to show off your version specific mons to your friends with the other version That said, we're talking about a franchise that is wildly successful about selling pieces of cardboards with made up fake pretend scarcity so really it just goes back to money
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Evil Fluffy posted:No other game has ever come close to Pokemon's level of success either. You seem to think Gamefreak hasn't "figured out" something when they've figured out that what they have works and prints an absolutely obscene amount of money and so they have no reason to change course. Detective No. 27 posted:This is a question you answer when you go to the store or eShop to purchase the game. I seriously cannot comprehend why people are wasting time and energy defending this, like, yeah, it's kind of not the biggest of deals or the worst of things. I'm not exactly saying ya'll should boycott or harass the devs, but my head is hurting seeing people trip over themselves to smugly "well actually" at anyone making fun of the two versions being a code flag.
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Why wouldn't they do it?
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Zurtilik posted:It was criminally unfunny. A sixer was too nice. zurty be nice to no. 1 anime hater please or i'll smite you extra hard @ games. I think my main gripe with gen 8 is that I feel there are a few creature designs that could've spent more time in the cooker, you know? I also feel that there are "too many mammals" which is a dumb complaint that's usually only held by myself. Also I want pokemon to have one version it still has to be called Pokemon thing and otherthing.
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It sounds like maybe you're not familiar with programming and the simplicity of it is throwing you off If the issue is that they are marketing two versions, that's its own conversation. The way it was implemented though eh it's a non-issue imo It would be nice if for remakes they really just bundled both versions into one but this is Nintendo/Pokemon we're talking about
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I always thought the version thing was to get kids talking and trading more. Like there's a big social aspect there, same as with any other collectible hobby. edit yeah more or less, here's an interview, seems like the designer thought link cables were so cool that he wanted trading in the game, and shigeru miyamoto suggested different versions to assist: quote:Junichi Masuda: As you know, the founder of Game Freak is Mr. [Satoshi] Tajiri, so when Mr. Tajiri talked to me about the idea he had... At that time, you could connect Game Boys with a cable, and you could play -- and battle by playing in, for example, Tetris. Marx Headroom fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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A Pathetic Nerd posted:I'm the internet mod of a game forum  FFXIV Porn posted:why don't they just make one game that has all the mons in it. why do two versions at all 
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Oxyclean posted:I'm not under any illusion, the two versions thing is entirely a marketing & sales gimmick, and it's super weird people are being like "but trading tho" as if they've never been pushed into trading in another game. I cannot comprehend why you're wasting your time and energy making it an issue when it's clearly not one. Pokemon makes sense to do two versions of since they have a limited amount of Pokemon, so making certain ones exclusive to the other will encourage people to trade. Just enough exclusives to make trading worthwhile and fun but not too much so that you think you have to buy the second version (a thing they don't encourage you to do [because they want you to play with people who bought the other version]). Something like say, Animal Crossing, only needs the one version but still encourages people to play together and swap items because there's thousands of items and collecting every item in the game isn't an intended goal.
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Oxyclean posted:I seriously cannot comprehend why people are wasting time and energy defending this, People want to make sure they have enough bootlicking on their resume for when the Zuck Gundams descend on humanity to quell all of the filthy commies
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:Is this real? Why is it wired? Are we dead? The only new part is the attachment in the middle. There's no wireless in the Split Pad Pro at all https://hori.jp/products/grip_con_attach_set/
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Bleck posted:People want to make sure they have enough bootlicking on their resume for when the Zuck Gundams descend on humanity to quell all of the filthy commies Normal thoughts.
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for both sides, nobody's "wasting time and energy." they're disagreeing on whether there being separate versions is nickel-and-dime bullshit or a reasonable strategy to encourage trading with little downside
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i cant get over that pokemon has two different versions of the same game in 2021!
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Bleck posted:People want to make sure they have enough bootlicking on their resume for when the Zuck Gundams descend on humanity to quell all of the filthy commies Alternatively people arent "defending" anything but rather trying to explain a pretty basic concept to someone who's struggling to understand it and is specifically asking about it Stay weird, switch thread. Really makes these daily meetings a lot more enjoyable
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Are there any versions that don't have Psyduck?
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The Postman posted:Are there any versions that don't have Psyduck? no
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me realizing different pokemon versions was more of a conscious design choice to bring people closer together rather than to milk whales and boost sales:
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Detective No. 27 posted:I cannot comprehend why you're wasting your time and energy making it an issue when it's clearly not one. You can literally just make it a choice when you start up the game - the games already lock you into one save file unless you use multiple accounts to work around that, so it would have the same effect of "I have access to these pokemon and my friend has access to those pokemon" with the added bonus that if you really want, you can start a new game and see the version differences first hand. They also have like 700+ pokemon, so "limited amount of pokemon" which honestly feels in the ball park of furniture that existed in New Horizons when it first game out. Why don't they lean into shinies and just throw more pallet swaps in, and depending your game seed, you have some variants that are more or and less rare, bam, even more reasons to trade.
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Achmed Jones posted:for both sides, nobody's "wasting time and energy." they're disagreeing on whether there being separate versions is nickel-and-dime bullshit or a reasonable strategy to encourage trading with little downside Right? That's some nasty gaslighting, posting on a forum isn't that time consuming and discussion is the entire purpose lol
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KingSlime posted:Alternatively people arent "defending" "I'm not licking the boot, really, it's just that the boot and my tongue happen to, like, occupy the same space, at this particular time,"
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Oxyclean posted:You can literally just make it a choice when you start up the game - the games already lock you into one save file unless you use multiple accounts to work around that I simply make the choice at the store before purchase
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Bleck posted:"I'm not licking the boot, really, it's just that the boot and my tongue happen to, like, occupy the same space, at this particular time," I don't play Pokemon games I think they suck and haven't given the pokemon company a penny in decades but sure go off with the personal attacks Maybe you need a break from videogames if you're so invested that you feel the need to post like this
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All of them are probably fine then
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hatty posted:I simply make the choice at the store before purchase incredibly weird to not want to be able to make that choice after you paid. imagine mass effect sold "Male shep" and "Fem shep" editions.
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Junkie Disease posted:i cant get over that pokemon has two different versions of the same game in 2021! Even though it’s a good one for Game Freak/Nintendo specifically, it’s still been a hustle tactic since 1996 lol
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Wasn't there a Golden Sun or something on 3DS that unlocked the alternate version after you beat it?
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Quantum of Phallus posted:they should release a third version to “grift” morons and maybe that way they’d have enough money to make games that look good honestly, yeah, worked for Fire Emblem
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did people get this wound up when red and blue came out
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KingSlime posted:I don't play Pokemon games I think they suck and haven't given the pokemon company a penny in decades but sure go off with the personal attacks Angrily mashing the edit button and adding yet another thing to my post about how it's embarrassing that someone cares this much MechaX posted:Even though it’s a good one for Game Freak/Nintendo specifically, it’s still been a hustle tactic since 1996 lol I mean yeah but I hadn't read the manifesto when I was six, you know?
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Waffle! posted:Wasn't there a Golden Sun or something on 3DS that unlocked the alternate version after you beat it? there weren't any golden sun games on the 3ds and none of them had multiple version gimmicks anyway
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WarpDogs posted:honestly, yeah, worked for Fire Emblem Given how they have not tried that again in 2 full installments, I dunno At the very least, I fear for the alternate universes that had to buy 3 separate copies of Three Houses for each respective house
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Oxyclean posted:imagine mass effect sold "Male shep" and "Fem shep" editions.
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Waffle! posted:Wasn't there a Golden Sun or something on 3DS that unlocked the alternate version after you beat it? buddy, I wish
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Quantum of Phallus posted:they've been doing this for 25 years, why are nerds up in arms about it now??? I was bored at work sorry
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Looper posted:did people get this wound up when red and blue came out no i was too busy telling people that Bulbasaur is the coolest starter
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The Postman posted:Are there any versions that don't have Psyduck? Nintendo stays winning
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