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Dog_Meat posted:This is one of the things that I love about the Black Legion books. It acknowledges that the traitor astartes have been fighting the war longer than the primarchs were around for and have surpassed them in so many ways despite their lack of supernatural gifts. It's pretty neat
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's pretty neat God I hope the new black legion book is in the "current" timeline Also we jumped all the way to the end of Indomitus and now GW is building out the interim as their next setting...is that correct?
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Waroduce posted:God I hope the new black legion book is in the "current" timeline That was the case in 8th edition, but the timeline has been retconned and moved back a bit. The Indomitus Crusade is currently ongoing and, IIRC, "current day" is about 20 years into the crusade, after the first phase has been completed. Dawn of Fire is going to be fleshing out current events.
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Waroduce posted:God I hope the new black legion book is in the "current" timeline Originally the Dark Imperium books were set at the very end of the Indomitus Crusade 100 years after it started. That has been retconned and the war with Mortarion in Ultramar (the setting for Dark Imperium) is now about 10-13 years in. The Dawn of Fire books started at the very beginning and Wolftime, the newest and 3rd book, is about 5-6 years in. My understanding is that series will continue past the Dark Imperium timeline and tell the rest of the crusade. The tabletop lore in the codexes and stuff is I believe as far out as 100 years in the future at the end of the crusade as Dark Imperium originally was with some earlier, but I'm not 100% on that because I mainly follow just the BL stuff. We also still have older lore like the latest Eisenhorn and Gaunts Ghost books still being several hundred years before the Indomitus Crusade since those series started a long time ago and have not had any serious time jumps.
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D-Pad posted:We also still have older lore like the latest Eisenhorn and Gaunts Ghost books still being several hundred years before the Indomitus Crusade since those series started a long time ago and have not [YET] had any serious time jumps . 
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Weren't some Tanith guard released by Trazyn to fight at the fall of Cadia? Technically they were frozen for thousands of years instead of time traveling but still.
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Only hundreds of years. GG is only about 350 years before the 13th Black Crusade.
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I wish there more stories about the fall of Cadia. That one book (Cadia Stands, by Justin Hill) was pretty cool I thought, but as far as I can tell it's the only one.
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Biplane posted:I wish there more stories about the fall of Cadia. That one book (Cadia Stands, by Justin Hill) was pretty cool I thought, but as far as I can tell it's the only one. You want the Gathering Storm books. They look like codexes but are 80% story and only 20% rules or whatever. They tell it in a narrative format too not in the way codexes typically have a bunch of small lore snippets. The first book goes into great detail about the fall of cadia and the other two tell the complete story of the quest to resurrect Guilliman and subsequent events. All together it's at least one, maybe two normal fiction books worth of story. They are expensive secondary market but are available now on Warhammer vault.
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D-Pad posted:You want the Gathering Storm books. They look like codexes but are 80% story and only 20% rules or whatever. They tell it in a narrative format too not in the way codexes typically have a bunch of small lore snippets. The first book goes into great detail about the fall of cadia and the other two tell the complete story of the quest to resurrect Guilliman and subsequent events. All together it's at least one, maybe two normal fiction books worth of story. They are expensive secondary market but are available now on Warhammer vault. That's good to know! I've got WH+ and have actually been interested in this storyline as well so I'll be checking out the Vault.
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Is this a situation where the gathering storm books have to be viewed through the vault itself via an app/site, or can they be downloaded? Probably a dumb question.
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D-Pad posted:You want the Gathering Storm books. They look like codexes but are 80% story and only 20% rules or whatever. They tell it in a narrative format too not in the way codexes typically have a bunch of small lore snippets. The first book goes into great detail about the fall of cadia and the other two tell the complete story of the quest to resurrect Guilliman and subsequent events. All together it's at least one, maybe two normal fiction books worth of story. They are expensive secondary market but are available now on Warhammer vault. BigShasta posted:Is this a situation where the gathering storm books have to be viewed through the vault itself via an app/site, or can they be downloaded? Probably a dumb question. The Wiki pages for the 13th Black Crusade and Roboute Guilliman have a ridiculous amount of text, I wouldn't be surprised if they contain large sections of the books verbatim.
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BigShasta posted:Is this a situation where the gathering storm books have to be viewed through the vault itself via an app/site, or can they be downloaded? Probably a dumb question. Not a dumb question, you have to view it through their website, can't download.
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:Not a dumb question, you have to view it through their website, can't download. Is it something that could be read on a phone
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Biplane posted:Is it something that could be read on a phone I'm pretty sure it's a pdf of the documents, so yes but it's a bit of a bugger. Better on a tablet if you have one. Which app is it again? I have a sub but have no clue, which is pretty hosed-up.
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Finished Wolftime last night. Gav Thorpe should never be allowed near the Space Wolves again. gently caress him. gently caress. Like the idea behind the story is very legit. Of course the Wolves weren't just going to happily accept the primaris and Guilliman when they weren't born on Fenris and Guilliman was the legion breaker and there was going to be drama. The arc of the story and the points it hits are good, but it's some of the worst 40k writing I've read. And the thread regulars know I am a huge fanboy and typically like books that most of y'all don't. It does not capture the spirit of the space wolves at all and they talk like a jr high student wrote them an hour before his essay was due. I will say though there is one joke that's made that is so good it makes a custodian laugh really hard and it's actually earned and believable. A glimmer of excellent writing in an otherwise bowl of poo poo. Now on to read Da Red Gobbo and will report back. High hopes for this one as Mike Brooks has been nothing but excellent so far.
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D-Pad posted:Finished Wolftime last night. Gav Thorpe should never be allowed near the Space Wolves again. gently caress him. gently caress. I'm guessin' that despite the title it contains exactly zero hints, predictions, foreshadowings, set-ups, clues, or suggestions that Russ may woof back home in the near future?
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NihilCredo posted:I'm guessin' that despite the title it contains exactly zero hints, predictions, foreshadowings, set-ups, clues, or suggestions that Russ may woof back home in the near future? No not really, but at the end Njal Stormcaller goes off into the Fenrisian wilderness for a vision quest type of thing and it's implied he might catch wind of Russ in the warp. Also, in Ghazghkull news: His waaagh is really spinning up and they now have attack moons like the ones from the War of the Beast and other weapons from that time. Guilliman indicates he believes they are now at War of the Beast/Ullanor levels and it's the Wolves focus so it's possible Russ could come back for that since they'll probably need that kind of power considering it took Vulkan last time.
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Facehammer posted:ABorderPrince on youtube has done full audio book versions of the Gathering Storm, and they whip rear end. The first story in the new Inferno: Inquisition book is the Greyfax prequel story as to what happened to her before Gathering Storm 1 and how she disappeared for a few hundred years before popping up at Cadia. It was really great. I'll report back on how the rest of the book shakes out, but it does look like at least a few of them have been published before based on a few titles I saw. Also, a few chapters into Da Gobbo's Revenge and it is good as all Mike Brooks is good. I don't expect the quality to suddenly dip in the rest of the book, but I'll report back on that one too.
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In addition to being super bummed that the Gaunt's Ghosts audiobook series has a huge gap between Straight Silver and Salvation's Reach, I just noticed they also - for some dumb reason - decided to split up the last couple of books between different narrators instead of just having Toby Longworth (amazing narrator) do the entire series. The consistency of having the same guy do the scottish accents really added to the "soul" of the ghosts in the first six audio books, and I don't have high hopes for Salvation's Reach and Warmaster, especially since I don't think I've ever heard an audiobook narrated by James McPherson and James Cameron Stewart.  At least Anarch is done by Toby Longworth again.
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Toby Longworth drinking game. Take a drink every time anything BOOMs or is BOOM!-ing.
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Twice Dead King: Ruin was excellent if cursed with an unnecessary subtitle. Twice Dead King wasn’t enough? Anyways Necrons are great. These ones may have been a bit too human, and it was lacking in the comical time scales that “internecine Necron academia warfare: the book whose name I’m forgetting” did oh so well. But super fun and a very evocative read. I really really liked this one, it had an emotional maturity to it all I appreciated. I am also obsessed with the cursed Necrons who to my shock I had never heard of before reading this. And seeing the Imperium from the other side end of the big stick is always fun. My favourite bit was “fl*sh”. Now, time to go reinstall battlefleet gothic The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Nov 7, 2021 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:In addition to being super bummed that the Gaunt's Ghosts audiobook series has a huge gap between Straight Silver and Salvation's Reach, I just noticed they also - for some dumb reason - decided to split up the last couple of books between different narrators instead of just having Toby Longworth (amazing narrator) do the entire series. I've heard (can't find a source though) that the last few books will eventually be re recorded with Longworth. They're just doing all of the thus-far unrecorded books first.
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Are there any AoS books that are worth reading? I'm painting up some Stormcast this week and would love some inspiration.
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When it comes to Stormcast then Hamilcar: Champion of the Gods is a must read. The new Gotrek books is more or less the same as the classic books, lots of action, but set in the Mortal realms. Even if I've only read Ghoulslayer so far. Spear of Shadows is probably one of the better introductory books to the Mortal Realms so far because it slowly eases you into a lot of things while keeping it fantastical and on a very basic level.
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Can anyone recommend some non-Warhammer books that Fehervari reminds them of?
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Are any of the Guy Haley Black Templars stories any good? I could go re-read Helsreach and the followup, but I'd like some other viewpoints. "Champions, All" was decent, and I liked the audio-short story about the BT dreadnought.
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So I finally slogged through Mortis and it was as hard as I expected  . I must admit to some high points though, and I was also surprised that it wasn't the titan warfare that switched me off.Is it just me, or did it feel like it had a Vulkan Lives thing going on where it had to mash a lot of previous threads together? It felt really disjointed in places and some scenes just didn't flow very cleanly at all. Mortis spoilers below obviously. I don't think I did a very good job of taking it all in as I was reading it in small bursts at night before bed, and if a book is a chore to get through it's harder to be receptive to it. I don't do audio books and refuse to buy the little novelettes anymore, so I suddenly found myself wondering who the hell the two women acting like proto-inquisition were? What the gently caress is a "selenar"? I know who Keeler and Sinderman are, but who the gently caress is this gene expert war criminal guy in the prison with them? I vaguely remember Ol Pearson cutting into the warp with a magic knife back in Know No Fear, but now he's got an entourage of wacky characters following him through these warp jumps in the middle of a sprawling book and... oh, there's John Grammaticus wrapped in a thorn bush... oh, Ol was the guy in the labyrinth with the minotaur now? Who the gently caress is this woman with "bones hanging from her chin"... an Alpharius appearance? Oh piss off! Oh, there's a sub plot to do with the Dark Angels and some kind of internal struggle and then there's a reveal and someone gets betrayed... or proved right... or... I don't know, what was all that about? Ranting aside... I did find some of the horror very well done and creepy in places. The people desperate to get to paradise were effective, and the scenes like the animated corpse trying to crawl through the barbed wire throughout the night and the guy who crushed himself through a small gun-slit window to get out were genuine moments of "holy poo poo". Some of the 'garden' parts had a creeping dread to them that I wasn't expecting. The scenes with Shiban wandering through the wastelands with the soldier and child were a chore to get through, but the pay off was nice. Some big lore dropped out of nowhere with Ol as the Emperor's first warmaster and trying to kill him, but it was like "lol - lore bomb anyway, moving on". The titan warfare wasn't as boring as I expected, although it did mash together after a while and I lost track of who was who outside of the brother/sister conflict in the knight order. Then suddenly there's Psi-Titans (or were they blanks?) which are meant to be a huge thing, but they kind of get a big entrance and then... stand there and die? Also, Perturabo having a strop and leaving the war should have been treated with a lot more weight. I'm pretty sure Horus' strongest siege-craft specialist primarch who's literal purpose is to defeat Dorn deciding that Horus has lost the plot and take all of his resources away should have been more than a quick "then he left" and MAYBE had a bit of reaction from Horus? I really feel I didn't read this book "right" and I'm normally the first to accuse goons of reading like they have ADHD and taking nothing in, but this was a mess and felt like trying to sit down and eat a live octopus. Bring on Warhawk Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Just finished Grim Repast and I'm shocked that the good probator is so aghast about cannibalism when corpse starch is a dietary staple.
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Dog_Meat posted:Then suddenly there's Psi-Titans (or were they blanks?) which are meant to be a huge thing, but they kind of get a big entrance and then... stand there and die? Yeah I got this vibe also. Big build up about unleashing them, marching to war, then one scene and that was pretty much it. No actual part of the story at all.
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Z the IVth posted:Just finished Grim Repast and I'm shocked that the good probator is so aghast about cannibalism when corpse starch is a dietary staple. I kind of really liked that the entire point of Grim Repast is pretty much "Rich people are inhuman monsters in the year 40,000 too."
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drgnvale posted:Are any of the Guy Haley Black Templars stories any good? I could go re-read Helsreach and the followup, but I'd like some other viewpoints. "Champions, All" was decent, and I liked the audio-short story about the BT dreadnought. Yeah, I saw the WarCom article about Helbrecht the other day and was wondering the same thing. Guy Haley is on my "proceed with caution" list.
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Dog_Meat posted:So I finally slogged through Mortis and it was as hard as I expected I've been working through this drat thing for months now. I typically get through them in a week or maybe two depending how much time I have. But this, I'm just tired of reading about people lost all over Terra wandering for 300 pages. I get through one of those mini-chapters and have to put it back down again because it's exhausting. Good grief.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Can anyone recommend some non-Warhammer books that Fehervari reminds them of? I would also like to know this
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