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Credulous Skeptic
Oct 31, 2012

cumshitter posted:

I [18m] had a Friends with Benefits arrangement with a friend [39f] of my mother's, I feel bad because she is also messing with other guys in front of me.

FYI: this is also called grooming. It is not uncommon in cases of child molestation, HTH.

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Apologies if this has already been posted (though I doubt it has) but the BBC had an article a few days ago and I thought this thread might get a kick out of it.

The parents who track their children
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211105-the-parents-who-track-their-children



Clearly not enough parents have watched the Black Mirror episode Arkangel which is this exact subject.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


AITA for telling my fiancee I am not willing to lie about how we met to her family and friends?

quote:

I met my fiancee online on a dating app, we have been together for 2 years now and got engaged recently. However, she keeps telling me that during the wedding she wants me to give a "speech" talking about how I met her while she was working at a coffee shop and I was so attracted to her that it was love at first sight and I immediately asked her to be my girlfriend. She says that this makes her look better and will make her look good to her friends if I say that she was so beautiful that I immediately asked her out. To clarify she is saying I have to say that I asked her to be my GF right at the counter without even having any sort of conversation with her first.

The only problem is I feel very uncomfortable with this untrue version of events. I am happy to say she is beautiful and that I really love her personality and that we had a great connection, but I am uncomfortable with this portrayal of myself as some sort of creep who asked a complete stranger to be my girlfriend.

There are other lies that she wants me to go along with too. For example I inherited a house from my grandparents but she is asking me to tell all her friends and family that I myself paid for and "bought her" the house because she is so special.

After I said no, she has been saying that I care more about the opinions of other people than how she feels and that she is reconsidering if she wants to be with someone who isn't on her side. Do I have a point or does she? :(

Just to be clear, my fiancee said that the reason she wants me to do the speech and tell people I bought her a house is so that her friends will envy her. She has already told her friends and family those things, but it's another thing to want ME to actually talk about them and lie about these things. She knows that my friends and family know I inherited the house and that we met on a dating app, but she says I have to warn them not to say anything and pretend to believe me at the wedding. She gave me an ultimatum that we won't get married if I don't agree and hasn't talked to me for days. It looks like I'm not the rear end in a top hat based on responses...how can I get her to see the light?

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA for telling my fiancee I am not willing to lie about how we met to her family and friends?

Do not marry this woman

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Put the light in the garbage so when she sees it she's already taken herself out

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


AITA For lugging in my husbands over sitting at the head of the table?

quote:

Edit for clarification: should say laughing at* in the title lol not lugging in.

As background I (22F) work full time and am the only person in the house who cooks (he claims he can not). We’ve been together 4 years and married 1.5. My husband (24M) goes to school full time on the GI bill. I was out of state and away from him for 5 weeks and got back yesterday. Tonight while he was napping I cooked dinner and made dessert and when he was awake I asked him where he wanted to eat. The options were the couch, the game room (we have a couch in there), the bar in the kitchen, or the dining table. He said wherever, so I set our plates at the dining table which has six chairs (one at either end and 2 on each side). Since it’s the two of us I put on plate at the head of the table and one at the right hand seat. I sat at the head of the table for no reason at all other than I got there first. He came behind me and said “you took my seat” and I laughed and said what to which he replied that he’s the head of the family and he sits there. I laughed thinking he was joking, and said “you have to be joking” and he said no and tried to tickle me out of the chair. I laughed and said sit down so we can eat. He stood there and said if I didn’t move he was eating on the couch. I did not move, and told him we were equals and that notion is ridiculous. He didn’t budge and I told him if he went I would actually be upset. He ate on the couch, and so I told him I was upset. AITA?

Update: it’s been 20 minutes. He came out to ask if I wanted to watch anything, I told him we needed to have a conversation. I told Him about the post for transparency. I said what y’all recommended, asked if something happened to bring on this change and he said it’s not a change, he’s always sat at the head of the table (I told him that was by chance maybe), asked what his thoughts on our partnership was and if we were equals. He said yes but it’s his spot and in his family for generations it’s a statement about the head of the family. I told him this was not past generations, and I’m concerned about his views on our equality and that I am personally offended because I think it’s sexist and misogynist and degrading to me. He said he doesn’t know what I want him to say. I told him to take more time to think about it because I will die on this hill, and he stormed off.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Lets ignore the lying for a moment, this meet cute has all the writing chops of Quantum of Solace

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA For lugging in my husbands over sitting at the head of the table?

"He doesn't know what I want him to say"?

How about oh poo poo, you're right, position at a table is wholly arbitrary and a quiet reinforcement of patriarchy that we don't indulge elsewhere in our partnership, I'll just sit in a chair and not sulk like an emo kid about not getting my magical butt spot at dinner

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord
My grandparents sat side by side at the dinner table for like 50+ years.

Maybe they should just do that

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Grape posted:

What kind of cockamamie beep boop logic is "someone reacted very differently than they thought they would on finding out some major news, therefore they were lying about their feelings".
"Man lies to get laid" is hardly the giant leap you're making it out to be.

CharlestheHammer posted:

I think this thread has broken many goons brains
I don't like the trend of calling others broke-brains for disagreeing over intentionally vague made-up stories on the internet. Can we please stop that?

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Apologies if this has already been posted (though I doubt it has) but the BBC had an article a few days ago and I thought this thread might get a kick out of it.

The parents who track their children
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211105-the-parents-who-track-their-children

Anyway I just thought you guys might be interested. If anything, now we have some other App names to search for on our favourite subreddit sources!

I'm going to respectfully suggest that this is kept right the gently caress out of the thread under the moratorium against depressing stories of abuse because that's likely all that it will provide.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Dik Hz posted:

I don't like the trend of calling others broke-brains for disagreeing over intentionally vague made-up stories on the internet. Can we please stop that?

Well...

quote:

Even funnier that he's trying to throw the whole "I checked on you & you weren't honest" line out there, considering he wasn't honest with her about kids from the start
That seems like a huge reach to me. And how the account is written is very much in the vein of "this was a test and you failed, Mr."

Like the Op literally said they were upset because the dude had chosen to do something when OP was thinking maybe they were going to suggest doing something at the time the appointment was occurring. It's not even a case of "he dropped all the plans we had immediately for that bitch", it's "He chose her over the hypothetical and unspoken option I possibly could have presented!"

People saying the dude wasn't honest are just jumping to a conclusion, because presumably the sequence of events would be: Agree on Childfree > BC Fail=Abortion. Obviously the ex didn't follow that, and obviously there was confirmation that it was, in fact, his kid. So it seems everyone calling the dude a liar would prefer he give the woman a folder full of cash, immediately vacate his responsibilities, and just pretend he doesn't have a child in the world.

Fezz
Aug 31, 2001

You should feel ashamed.

Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA for telling my fiancee I am not willing to lie about how we met to her family and friends?

quote:

chasingyourvision
3h
She has lied, she also tells her friends and family that I give her a monthly allowance, saying she wants them to envy her, she told me she is going to quit her job after marriage so that her friends will envy that she gets to stay home. I personally think the reasoning is silly that she is so competitive with her friends but have agreed because I don't want to lose her.
Some real big red flags here. They need to sit down and have a real discussion because yikes.

Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry

Mx. posted:

AITA for lashing out at my husband for suggesting I stop buying formula instead of cancelling his streaming services to save money?

quote:

I'm (f32) the breadwinner and have a toddler and a 9 month old baby.

Op forgot her third, 444 month old toddler.

Evil Willow posted:

BORING!!! Stupid mods.
Jesus AITA mods are the worst, most boring dweebs on the biggest, dweebiest website on the planet.

Mx. posted:

AITA for letting my cat sit in the roasting pan



NTA trying to keep cats out of box-like vessels is like trying to fight the entropy of the universe.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Apologies if this has already been posted (though I doubt it has) but the BBC had an article a few days ago and I thought this thread might get a kick out of it.

The parents who track their children
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211105-the-parents-who-track-their-children





And then, in what seems like an almost inevitable shout-out to reddit

The post in question features this screenshot



At least Spector isn't that bad and is also somewhat self-aware

Anyway I just thought you guys might be interested. If anything, now we have some other App names to search for on our favourite subreddit sources!

The minor children in this story have a point about privacy, but if you are an adult and someone else is providing and managing your phone that pretty much goes out the window. Do these people also watch porn on their work phones then complain when their employer can see their browsing history?

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

FilthyImp posted:

Well...

That seems like a huge reach to me. And how the account is written is very much in the vein of "this was a test and you failed, Mr."

Like the Op literally said they were upset because the dude had chosen to do something when OP was thinking maybe they were going to suggest doing something at the time the appointment was occurring. It's not even a case of "he dropped all the plans we had immediately for that bitch", it's "He chose her over the hypothetical and unspoken option I possibly could have presented!"

People saying the dude wasn't honest are just jumping to a conclusion, because presumably the sequence of events would be: Agree on Childfree > BC Fail=Abortion. Obviously the ex didn't follow that, and obviously there was confirmation that it was, in fact, his kid. So it seems everyone calling the dude a liar would prefer he give the woman a folder full of cash, immediately vacate his responsibilities, and just pretend he doesn't have a child in the world.
One of these two is true, if we believe OP:

1) Childfree dude has epiphany and decides he wants kids when he finds out ex is pregnant with his child.

2) Dude was lying to OP about being Childfree to get laid.

There isn't enough info in the story to determine which is true. I really want to believe 1, but in my heart I'm cynical so I think 2 is more likely. I don't think anyone in this thread is saying that OP and dude should stay together or that dude shouldn't parent his kid. But who knows.

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

The minor children in this story have a point about privacy, but if you are an adult and someone else is providing and managing your phone that pretty much goes out the window. Do these people also watch porn on their work phones then complain when their employer can see their browsing history?

do u think work and family are the same thing

Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry

Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA for telling my fiancee I am not willing to lie about how we met to her family and friends?
Envy envy envy envy meeeee
This is ugly.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

sugar free jazz posted:

do u think work and family are the same thing

No, but family relationships between adults and children are different than those between adults and adults. Adults can put conditions (even unreasonable conditions) on helping out other adults in their family, and their family can tell them to gently caress off if they don't accept those conditions. Children don't have a choice.

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA for telling my fiancee I am not willing to lie about how we met to her family and friends?
It's going to be hilarious if he actually tries to lie, because there's no chance in hell that the story he tells at the wedding is going to match what she's already told her friends and family.

Like, he'll try to tell the meet-cute story about how he went to Starbucks and he was enchanted by how well the green apron matched her eyes...but the story she's been telling for years is that they met at a tiny locally-owned coffee shop and he complimented her perfect smile.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Every time someone asks how you met give them the meet cute of a different romcom. If called on it, play it off as a joke then give a different romcoms meet cute as the real story. Always be a couple of mystery.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

No, but family relationships between adults and children are different than those between adults and adults. Adults can put conditions (even unreasonable conditions) on helping out other adults in their family, and their family can tell them to gently caress off if they don't accept those conditions. Children don't have a choice.

Consent is questionable when many legal adults still spend 18-26 still financially dependant on their parents.

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



You're also not paid to put up with your terrible family the way you are with your terrible boss

OGDanDogg
Sep 16, 2002

hallo spacedog posted:

I'm sah with a 6 month old right now and I do as much housework as I can which ends up being not very much because I have found she literally takes up my entire day just interacting with her so I'm just thinking this guy doesn't pay any attention to them, housework aside.

You put them in a bouncer/playpen and do the cooking, dishes, laundry, etc. There's also a question of standards. We just accepted clutter and we were just human roombas randomly putting things back in their places. In my next life, I think I could easily become a professional shoplifter. But as this thread shows, communication is apparently hard.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


AITA for telling my husband I expect him to put me above his mom?

quote:

I got married to my husband and baby daddy 1 year ago after dating for 4 years. We have a 2 month old together. The problem is my husband always seems to prioritise his mom over me. Always.

We lived away from his mom for the first two years, another city, another state. But now she's moved closer to us. The first two years I met her she was a lovely woman and there was never conflict between us. Until she moved close to us a bit before we got married but especially after marriage. After work my husband visits his mother and spends 5-6 hours in her house and comes home really late at night. He gave away keys of our house so his mom can visit whenever she wants. The house is in his name so I feel I can't speak on that despite the fact that we both pay the bills and the food we eat in here equally. His mom always throws shade that as a mother she always comes first and nobody will love my husband like she does and the only person he needs is his mommy. My husband seems to not get why that would be disrespectful to me.

We have a baby now and I confronted him once again for spending so many hours at his mom's instead of coming home to be a father to his baby. He accused me of being jealous of his mom. I explained its not about jealousy but about the fact that he let's his mom disrespect me and our family and he does nothing. I told him I'm his wife and mother of his kid and I should be his main priority and family not his mom.

He then used a phrase I had said when we first started dating. He said "When we started dating you told me you don't like men who disrespect their mothers. And now you're asking me to disrespect my mom and put you above her. Which is it?" I explained to him that what I meant was that I don't like men who disrespect their mothers for no reason. If your mom is a narcissistic person who disrespects your wife and mother of your children she shouldn't be respected on my expense and if he can't realise that then maybe he wasn't ready for marriage. He was upset and left home and went to sleep to his mother's place for few days until I apologise for what I said. AITA??

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

A Moose posted:

You're also not paid to put up with your terrible family the way you are with your terrible boss

But in this case they literally are, at least in kind? It's a story as old as this thread - someone goes to family for help supporting themselves, the relative offers to help but gives them a couch to stay on while their cats occupy the master bedroom/Warhammer collection takes up the spare bedroom/doesn't allow opposite gender guests/whatever other insane thing. The person taking the help blows up at the conditions and finds themselves without the help they needed in the first place.

These people helicopter parenting their adult children are clearly crazy, but taking charity from crazy people is setting yourself up for failure. The simple answer here (for an adult) is to give the back the tracking device that is being provided and use your own phone. They're cheap as dirt these days unless you insist on the latest flagship model. And if the family member makes carrying around a tracking device a condition of staying in their house, well they're crazy people and there is universal advice for that:

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Nov 12, 2021

OGDanDogg
Sep 16, 2002

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Apologies if this has already been posted (though I doubt it has) but the BBC had an article a few days ago and I thought this thread might get a kick out of it.

The parents who track their children
Anyway I just thought you guys might be interested. If anything, now we have some other App names to search for on our favourite subreddit sources!

I have a light level of tracking where we can authorize what apps she downloads and check a map if necessary. She bikes to school and back though, so it's more of a "wasn't hit by a car" situation and I pretty much only check if she's running late. She has unfettered internet access though, so who knows what she's getting up to. She knows not to use social media, but there's all sorts of nonsense on Roblox, and the "everyone online is not the age they say and always assume they're a creeper" talk has occurred multiple times. Give them space, don't judge, and hey they, will talk to you and you can help them on the front-end.

Malcolm Excellent posted:

My grandparents sat side by side at the dinner table for like 50+ years.

Maybe they should just do that

Maybe I don't have enough people at dinner or didn't need to play footsie, but I always go for sitting across from each other so it's easier to talk. I guess I could whisper sweet nothings in her ear as I spill food on her though.

Previewing my reply, I will preemptively say: The first post is about my kid and the second is my wife.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

But in this case they literally are, at least in kind? It's a story as old as this thread - someone goes to family for help supporting themselves, the relative offers to help but gives them a couch to stay on while their cats occupy the master bedroom/Warhammer collection takes up the spare bedroom/doesn't allow opposite gender guests/whatever other insane thing. The person taking the help blows up at the conditions and finds themselves without the help they needed in the first place.
We've had many such stories ITT, but I don't remember one where providing a phone and putting a tracking app was part of it. I don't even know what you're arguing here.

Last year my spouse couldn't work and we lived on my income. What conditions am I allowed to impose if they get sick and it happens again? I'm thinking about devleoping a personality disorder for fun.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

OGDanDogg posted:

there's all sorts of nonsense on Roblox, and the "everyone online is not the age they say and always assume they're a creeper" talk has occurred multiple times.

Creepers are in Minecraft, silly!

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


There is a big difference between a person asking for help and being offered help with reasonable conditions attached and an abuser using financial resources to coerce concessions and demand compliance with outrageous and intrusive behavior.


In general the sort of person forcing other adults to use the remote tracking and control apps, and specifically the parent logging into the computer prepared to remotely deactivate an phone while screaming "don't gently caress with me" is an abuser fully embracing the "I pay for you so I own you" mentality.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Every time someone asks how you met give them the meet cute of a different romcom. If called on it, play it off as a joke then give a different romcoms meet cute as the real story. Always be a couple of mystery.

Do you want to know how I got these rings, Batman?

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

The minor children in this story have a point about privacy, but if you are an adult and someone else is providing and managing your phone that pretty much goes out the window. Do these people also watch porn on their work phones then complain when their employer can see their browsing history?

This thread attracts some odd goon takes but this has got to be one of the weirdest.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Anyways content.

AITA for sitting in the front seat with my friend and telling his gf to sit in the back?

quote:

We were heading somewhere with my friend and his gf and I called shotgun and runned in front of her and took the passenger front seat. My friend said we're not doing shot guns and the front seat only goes to his gf or his grandma when either of them is present and that even his mom gives up the front seat out of respect for the gf and their relationship.

I said I don't care about that overdramatic stuff, I'm sitting in the front. He told me I either go to the back or he's not taking me,his car his rules. His gf stood there silent the whole time but I could tell she was annoyed.

I felt awkward and when I feel awkward my brain freezes and I told his gf to go sit in the back and let this drama go. I sat in the front and told my friend to get in and drive. He told me to get out of the car and find another way to get myself to our destination since I have no respect. AITA

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Ugh, "runned"

OGDanDogg
Sep 16, 2002

Brawnfire posted:

Creepers are in Minecraft, silly!

Nice.

She only got standalone Minecraft creepers and moved to Roblox later. Also, MultiMC was a godsend. Getting mod install requests the second I hit the door and dealing with version incompatibilities was a nightmare.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA for telling my husband I expect him to put me above his mom?

Congratulations on having two children!

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Soylent Pudding posted:

AITA For lugging in my husbands over sitting at the head of the table?

There are two more updates. :smith:

quote:

Update 2: 1st I’d like to say I’m not just going to up and divorce him. I want to understand the origin of this. We talked again and I asked why he felt he was the head, and he said because publicly he is seen that way. If we go out that is what people see because he’s the guy, which he said is not necessarily his belief. I told him that people didn’t come into our house and make that point and ask me to move, that was him. He said that it’s not about being a guy, he’d feel that way even as a woman. I said the thing is he’s not a woman, so his comparison isn’t good. He said felt like the leader but not that I was inferior and we are able to lead in different aspect (Hes great at maths, and analysis. Im artistic and creative). I think that’s a good thing and we are closer to the bottom, and I know there was no malice behind it, but am still concerned. But It was late and I have work, I ask him to think to about two things for us to talk about 1) why it’s an important role for him and why he wants to perpetuate it in our family. 2) how he thinks it makes me feel to be in this situation. We’re gonna talk after I get home from work and I think we’ll reach resolution. TLDR: we almost at a resolution.

Final update: LMAO sorry y’all, the truth came out, he said it’s because he thinks he’s the more capable one. Background: I pushed it explaining I know it’s not a sexist thing and that’s why I’m giving him a chance to think more about it. He said it wasn’t going to change and I said I just want to understand because I believe it can’t be sexist. He said he really didn’t want to tell me because I’ll be hurt. He said he thinks he’s more capable, there’s a lot Im capable in that he’s not but overall he’s better at a lot more than me and he’s the more capable one. No more update. Nothing more to say. Booked marriage counseling.

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
As a 40y.o I do roll my eyes at 20 y.o who are still tied to parental purse strings but then I shake myself and say "it's a different loving world out there for young people nowadays" and count my blessings.

Thundercloud
Mar 28, 2010

To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!
Yeah, it's literally the economy being set up to squeeze as much out of everyone who isn't rich, through high rents, high house prices, low wages etc.

You live with your parents till you're 35 or you'll never afford a house, or you just have to have a multi-generational household and be poor your whole life in places like America where everything is trying to gouge you for as much as possible.

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Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

The minor children in this story have a point about privacy, but if you are an adult and someone else is providing and managing your phone that pretty much goes out the window. Do these people also watch porn on their work phones then complain when their employer can see their browsing history?

I have a late stage toddler so I'm not there yet, but I think my ideal parenting app would have

1. location service but not snitch to me unless and until I hit a panic button that also let the kid know that I looked it up.
2. a panic button on their end that immediately sent their location.

It's a weird parenting moment when you realize you're kid is too honest and that deceit is a legitimate and necessary social skill.

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