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I've a sudden vision of the future of the UK where sex work is legal and you'll get sanctioned if you turn it down. (TBH this has apparently literally happened, and more than once, in Germany, and I've already told the story of my niece's friend - a qualified hairdresser - who was threatened with sanctions for turning down an apprentice placement at a "beauty salon" that was actually a fairly notorious massage parlour) e: A grim note to start a new page on, so instead have a picture of my cat having decided that he'd had quite enough of me waving this toy around at him so just sat on it and gave me this very old-fashioned Look.  ee: lol I've just noticed that behind him you can see the tiny bolt that went missing out of my 3D printer that I eventually ended having to buy a whole pack of to replace. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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The correct solution of course is that they shouldn't be sanctioning loving anybody.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:11
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OwlFancier posted:The correct solution of course is that they shouldn't be sanctioning loving anybody. Yes exactly. The correct position is to call on structures with the real power to make a difference to take a pro-active approach rather than passive, responsive ones. Sanctioning people doesn't enable people to find work and so unemployment support schemes shouldn't do it and should be tasked with creating employment suited to them instead, universities have major controls over student costs of living and so should be pressured to lessen them rather than abstract support training for students needing extra employment to study.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:18
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But that is the point of a university, it is a business that uses a racket to coerce people into giving it money for services that are largely useless absent the entirely artificial qualifications centered structure designed to prop up the university business. I don't think you can make universities stop doing that any more than you can make companies stop exploiting their workers, the absence of exploitation is describing a fundamentally different thing. A university that raises its fees to the maximum level and finds as many ways as possible to extract more monetary value from its students is a university working optimally, a university being the most university it can be.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:22
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I do research into fiction as a hobby these days and this may be relevant to some people here. Trans friends. If you like detective fiction and audiobooks the dearly departed Gwendolyn Butler John Coffin books are free to members. She was revolutionary in her open LGBT+ acceptance in fiction and even wrote a book addressing her acceptance of trans people, explicitly exploring Stella and John’s positive feelings* towards trans women. I mean the books are incredibly dark at times but the author likes you. *that sentence makes more sense if you know the books
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OwlFancier posted:But that is the point of a university, it is a business that uses a racket to coerce people into giving it money for services that are largely useless absent the entirely artificial qualifications centered structure designed to prop up the university business. I think a shitload of educators and people in general disagree with your assessment of what a university HAS to be. Regardless it's impotent defeatism to say 'this thing has to be this way' and then refuse to criticise its actual practices when resisting might cause change or create replacements.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:33
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I am specifically skeptical of the idea that opposing support for students who are doing sex work, is going to somehow lead to a reduction in university related expenses and/or otherwise better conditions for the students. I also don't think that diane abbott has really thought about it beyond the idea of "eww sex work gross bad how do I ban it?"
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Nov 12, 2021 20:35
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It's one of the big points of fracture between 2nd and 3rd wave feminism, isn't it? Bit of a shame to see Diane Abott on the wrong side of the issue.
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1459136193162063872?t=26YXW0yTjCTQ84K9fhh_nw&s=19 These Domdom screeds are interesting in a cheese-dream sort of way but he does pick up on an interesting point that's been absent so far in the reporting of the second jobs scandal. When our prime minister was a humble MP he got a £275k a year salary to write an occasional column for the Telegraph. Whether that was within the rules or not is a side point. Nobody's asking the real question about what exactly was being bought and sold for all that money.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:43
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Lady Demelza posted:Nobody is getting tips on deepthroating a client or where to get free condoms. goddamnedtwisto posted:I've a sudden vision of the future of the UK where sex work is legal and you'll get sanctioned if you turn it down. It would be bad if true, of course, as would forcing a vegan to work in an abattoir, a Quaker to work at an off licence, a Muslim to run blackjack tables, or many other things that run into people's deeply held personal moralities, but OwlFancier posted:The correct solution of course is that they shouldn't be sanctioning loving anybody. (Presumably under a better system of decriminalization or regulation they wouldn't be calling themselves beauty salons or massage parlours either, a bit like how far less Turkish people got confused once places could just call themselves Gay Saunas)
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OwlFancier posted:I am specifically skeptical of the idea that opposing support for students who are doing sex work, is going to somehow lead to a reduction in university related expenses and/or otherwise better conditions for the students. Of course it won't, that's not the point. You can argue 'should a university offer this kind of support or not' or see that that framing is missing the overall point that students are seeing increased financial hardships, universities have a great deal to do with that and that the first argument is entirely as a result of universities not actually changing their ways to lessen hardships. It's better to tackle causes than symptoms and that's where your efforts should be pointed.
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I have enough words to say that they should take the axe to universities and that diane abbott is a loving pillock for whingeing about support for sex workers.
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Okay but you weren't until I brought it up. it's very easy to get caught up in important moral arguments but that's sort of the point, if you do then you miss the important casual structural criticism.
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learnincurve posted:I do research into fiction as a hobby these days Isn't this just reading books?
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Bug Squash posted:It's one of the big points of fracture between 2nd and 3rd wave feminism, isn't it? Bit of a shame to see Diane Abott on the wrong side of the issue. I can't remember any specifics or anything but I seem to recall hearing she was like this the last time decriminalisation came up while she was shadow home sec. I'd like to believe that this is just an overreaction or something but tbh I'm not totally surprised hearing it.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Isn't this just reading books? Lol no. Right so, think of all those mills and boon style romance books you see by the box load on markets. That’s how popular detective fiction was in the 1940s, but like all those market boxes they were printed on poor paper and destined to be read once or twice and then burned. But because publishers didn’t keep copies of everything they printed for posterity there are incredibly popular books that sold hundreds of thousands which simply don’t exist today. It’s crazy, best sellers by people like Francis Vivian and the Radfords are just gone. So a lot of what I do is hunt down books.
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I don't think I'd want my child to be a sex worker? Not sure what that means. I probably wouldn't want them to be a police officer, soldier, buy to let landlord or webmaster either though.
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I'd be very surprised if Diane Abbot's position was as banal as 'ew sex work and sex workers are gross, gently caress em'
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Junior G-man posted:A day late due to *antics* but your weekly UKMT-podspawn is out just now: Congratulations for getting noticed by Ian Miles Cheong because of that Josh Sawyer episode btw.  (a very good episode)
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Antigravitas posted:Congratulations for getting noticed by Ian Miles Cheong because of that Josh Sawyer episode btw. There's a name I haven't seen retweeted onto the timeline in a while. Him & Prison Paul both actually haven't been appearing much, guess they aren't funny enough, or at least the joke has worn thin.
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You will be pleased to know that ian is glad lowtax is dead because SA is actually where all the woke journalists come from.
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forkboy84 posted:There's a name I haven't seen retweeted onto the timeline in a while. Him & Prison Paul both actually haven't been appearing much, guess they aren't funny enough, or at least the joke has worn thin. I thought you were going off about Josh Sawyer and I was very concerned.
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https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1459279370393161728?s=20 Heil article: heil/news/article-10196665/Now-Boris-Johnson-pays-price-polls-Labour-race-ahead-Tories-SIX-points.html Labour haven't had 40% poll ratings - ooo since hm - Jeremy Corbyn. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/14/labour-and-tories-level-corbyn-popularity-wanes-poll Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Great, just what we need.
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that is actually good.
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Next, a policy. JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS
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i don't mean about labour winning or whatever, I mean that for whatever reason boris has hit his impossibility buffers.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1459279370393161728?s=20 The rich, oaky, golden Starmer SURGE
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I don't think I'd want my child to be a sex worker? Not sure what that means. Meh I wouldn't be too fussed about it (or if I was it wouldn't be because of the sex part but because of the badly regulated work part).
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:Meh I wouldn't be too fussed about it (or if I was it wouldn't be because of the sex part but because of the badly regulated work part). Thanks. But perhaps you can appreciate how your username hasn't totally set my mind at rest?
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It's the only one the press has given a poo poo about and also johnson hosed it and didn't try to power through.
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learnincurve posted:Lol no. I do follow a couple of pulp fiction twitters, and the stuff they turn up is wild. This seems like a very good hobby.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:But perhaps you can appreciate how your username hasn't totally set my mind at rest? 
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Bug Squash posted:I'm actually kind of relieved just to see something stick and nudged those polls. It's just bizarre that this is the scandal that did it and not all the much bigger ones. I am currently reading The Deficit Myth and it points out that people think their taxes pay for government spending and so they expect the government to behave themselves with it. The Tories are very good at portraying themselves as the prudential party but sleaze blows that out of the water as The People see The Tories as nothing more than pigs at the trough. At which point they are willing to give Labour a go. Shame it's going to be poo poo labour that might get in.
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Bug Squash posted:I'm actually kind of relieved just to see something stick and nudged those polls. It's just bizarre that this is the scandal that did it and not all the much bigger ones. It's easy to say that people would have died to COVID anyway and we don't know how many, and as we know a lot of people refuse to accept that they were tricked over Brexit. It's a lot harder to spin saying an MP found guilty of corruption is in fact not corrupt and abolishing the independent tribunal that judged him so in favour of one run by your own party. The Tories thought that everyone would accept forever that different rules applied to them and listen to their justifications for why this should be so. They were mostly right, but not right enough.
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notaspy posted:I am currently reading The Deficit Myth and it points out that people think their taxes pay for government spending and so they expect the government to behave themselves with it. The Tories are very good at portraying themselves as the prudential party but sleaze blows that out of the water as The People see The Tories as nothing more than pigs at the trough. At which point they are willing to give Labour a go. It's convenient that it's causing trouble for the Tories now, but the whole idea that government is spending a strictly limited amount of tax money is a problem. gently caress the whole idea of government spending having to be restricted because they're spending ~your tax poonds~. Government should spend at least as much as necessary to fulfil the demands we make of it, and IMO should err far on the side of spending too much when it comes to subsidising low income individuals and infrastructure. Corruption isn't bad because it's wasting ~your tax poonds~, it's bad because it causes officials to make decisions which will bite other people in the rear end. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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UK now trying to get trade deals with individual US states https://www.cityam.com/uk-to-try-and-close-trade-deals-with-individual-us-states-after-white-house-talks-stall/ quote:
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