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KillHour posted:The solution is to just stop caring about achievements and be freeeeeeee I tend to do that on a first playthrough. During a second playthrough tho? I want to scrape every single inch of the jar! And I know there's stuff that would require even more playthroughs, so I'm not going for 100%. I also have my limits. I'm not thinking of going through Mooncrash again and doing the real grindy ones, like "have X amount of currency/points" and "install ALL mods on every character".
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The achievements for prey are bad though. Scraping every single inch in a game like this is like... reading all the logs and finding all the secrets, not refusing to use 2/3rds of the abilities, most of which are quality of life abilities that make the game more enjoyable to play.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:38
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Had my first playthrough recently and I got the achievements for all emails/all transcribes/all people found. I liked exploring everywhere and finding people and only had to used the security terminals a few times. I knew about the ending twist ahead of time and it still snuck up and disappointed me. woof.
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Oct 28, 2021 22:48
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Pamela Springstein posted:I knew about the ending twist ahead of time and it still snuck up and disappointed me. woof. For a while there way too many games had an ending where it was all a dream / it was all a simulation and I would love for no piece of media to ever do that again. I was so grateful The Forgotten City didn't end that way because it would have been a natural fit.
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Oct 28, 2021 23:58
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The ending completely blindsided me because I had read nothing about the game and also finding out I was a Typhon the whole time loving ruled. It's me, I'm the guy who liked the ending
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Oct 29, 2021 01:25
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Back when I was a kid I played a game on the original xbox called Breakdown and Prey really reminded me of that game plot wise, so I didn't hate the twist too much and guessed it right away.
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Pamela Springstein posted:Had my first playthrough recently and I got the achievements for all emails/all transcribes/all people found. I liked exploring everywhere and finding people and only had to used the security terminals a few times. The short ending you get after using the escape pod kinda gave it away for me. Just hearing Alex say "this is not the one" told me enough.
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I really like the concept of the ending but the execution is a bit disappointing. Alex and some robots telling you the plot isn't what I would call engaging. But I do think it's pretty unfair for people to say "ugh, it's all a dream, how dumb" when so much of the game is thematically driven by the concept of power and the choices we make with it. The real Morgan was, from all the evidence you collect over the game, a terrible person, so the idea that "you" (in game, an alien intelligence, but really it's you as the player) get to reconcile with that past in an effort to develop empathy while constantly being presented with choices between using your power (and growing it) selfishly or using it to help others... that's a good concept, but it's also very video-game-y, and so I thought it was kind of refreshing for the game to say at the end "you were playing a video game." I also tend to like sci-fi that really tries to tackle the idea that any alien intelligence would just be totally outside of our frame of reference, and I think it's an interesting idea that the only way to save ourselves from that kind of intelligence is to try and figure out how to make it value human life.
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Wow, people really keep missing that the ending is about how you, as a player, interact with verisimilar games in general and how differently people handle suspension of disbelief How are people so bad at this, the entire tutorial section screams the theme of the game at you
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Oct 29, 2021 21:02
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Yeah as "dreams/simulations" twists go, Prey certainly earned it. Especially since there's two twists: not just the "you're a typhon" but the "you're a typhon who might be the only chance to save a post-apocalyptic civilization".
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Oct 29, 2021 21:05
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HenryEx posted:Wow, people really keep missing that the ending is about how you, as a player, interact with verisimilar games in general and how differently people handle suspension of disbelief Most people don't look at the meta-aspect of gaming as a medium I'd imagine
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There are people who are, like, very proud that they know that tropes exist and get a kick out of pointing them out because using tropes is lazy, right? Except it's not. Everything has tropes and is tropes. Or as I've seen Neil Gaiman put it recently:quote:I kind of wish that the whole “TV tropes” thing had never happened, to be honest. ... There aren’t a lot of story shapes. In a love story, people get to meet. Either they meet dramatically or they meet in a way that is interesting by being undramatic. Either they fall for each other or they don’t, or one falls but the other doesn’t. Something had better prevent them from getting together, whether it’s pride or a guard with a gun, because otherwise you don’t have a plot, unless they get together and then something goes wrong… and on and on. Everything is going to be some kind of trope, and none of that actually matters. What matters is the story. Pretend you’ve never heard of tropes. The reason why the trope "it was all a dream!" has a bad reputation is because it's the ending creators reach for when they've been winging the story for a long time and then just don't know how to end it and, if done wrong, it just undermines and makes pointless everything that happened in the story up to that point. And Prey was clearly written with the ending in mind from the start and what you do in the game does actually matter in end.
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The latest attempt to beat the corpse of Predator is called Prey because it was decided there wasn't enough confusion
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Basic Chunnel posted:The latest attempt to beat the corpse of Predator is called Prey because it was decided there wasn't enough confusion Will that make it a System Shock film? 
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I honestly don't know where to put this since I revived this thread to talk about how Prey reawakened my 10 year dormant gaming thing. Anyway I finally got ps3 Skyrim a few weeks ago after a lot of back and forth because I loving hate Oblivion because it is so so boring and sleepy. And I really like it, I put off trying Skyrim because I hated oblivion so much, but I saw it going for 6 quid for ps3 so what the hell. Skyrim is great, its way better that oblivion.
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Pookah posted:I honestly don't know where to put this since I revived this thread to talk about how Prey reawakened my 10 year dormant gaming thing. Anyway I finally got ps3 Skyrim a few weeks ago after a lot of back and forth because I loving hate Oblivion because it is so so boring and sleepy. Holy poo poo, playing Skyrim on a PS3 is a pain but if you're having a good time... what the hell, keep going. (I love Skyrim)
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Guillermus posted:Holy poo poo, playing Skyrim on a PS3 is a pain but if you're having a good time... what the hell, keep going. (I love Skyrim) I googled it about a day after getting it and was expecting it to be complete dogshit, but apparently they fixed the 6mb + save issue about 2 months after release, so the ps3 version is basically fine. My save is way over that and everything is OK. My horse wants to fight everything but hey, he's grumpy.
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Prey is free on Epic for the next day, if you've been waiting: it's finally your moment!
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repiv posted:Mooncrash is included too Mooncrash rules too Wait does the epic version not have the Steam controller fuckery?
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GlyphGryph posted:The Nightmare is supposed to be there as a fun enemy to fight, not something to just hide from (unless you like hiding I suppose)! Also a good source of materials for more neuromods. There's a reason the satellite can be used to call it as well as dismiss it, and the second use case is mostly for a "I really don't want to deal with this right now, I'm busy" sort of situation. I was always excited when he showed up to get a chance to try out whatever my newest powers were or to figure out the best way to fight him in a new location. First time I ran into it I thought the game was bugged because I could no longer stealth and I was getting found by enemies I should have been able to slip by. I ended up restarting the area a few times try to "unbug" the enemies. Then eventually I gave up and just blasted everyone and then saw the thing, which had been blocked from my location because of geometry. Then I looked it up to see what was going on. And then I stopped using stealth entirely and just shotgunned everyone to death because that thing can just spawn on me whenever so who gives a gently caress. The next few times I just booked it and hid to get rid of it. Then after that I had enough power to just slow time and blast it to death. At no time did it ever feel compelling, it just undermined a lot of the rest of the game for me. The fact that Deathloop had an AI player hunter in the same vein is largely why I didn't bother picking it up.
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Phigs posted:The fact that Deathloop had an AI player hunter in the same vein is largely why I didn't bother picking it up. It isn't an AI player hunter in Deathloop. She also isn't a giant boring stack of hp. Which isn't to say you should get Deathloop, I thought it was pretty mediocre.
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Yeah it's weird, Mooncrash seems like they were testing out Deathloops ideas but was so much better honestly. It's like they backed off from the ideas that made it work so well.
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The creative director for Death Loop literally avoided playing Mooncrash until release. Which is insane.
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KillHour posted:The creative director for Death Loop literally avoided playing Mooncrash until release. Which is insane. Creative directors hate finding out their ideas have already been done elsewhere, and usually with more thought put into them 
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Oh geez that's nuts, I always assumed that DeathLoop was a direct sequel to Mooncrash, and was puzzled at why it fell so flat. Christ, the hubris to do the latest project in a company known for "this one thing", but not be familiar with their last (successful!) iterative release on the topic.
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Well that's bad news. I just bought Deathloop on Steam during the winter sale but haven't played it yet. At least it was half price.
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It’s a good game in its own right, but to hear that is baffling. I kind of thought iterative improvement was the point.
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arkane is two separate studios working together in lyon, france and austin, texas. Dishonored 1 was developed by both location at the same time. After that they changed it up: Prey and Mooncrash came from texas under the lead of raphael colantonio (who previously resided in Lyon), Dishonored 2 under the lead of Harvey Smith (who previously resided in Austin). They kept on going with this model afterwards, with Deathloop being developed in Lyon, and Redfall in Austin. The creative director on Mooncrash went on to work on Redfall, not Deathloop.
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The director of Prey (base campaign) also left to form a new studio which is making Weird West
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repiv posted:The director of Prey (base campaign) also left to form a new studio which is making Weird West E: march31, 2022. Got delayed not to long ago.
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I was really hoping for more Mooncrash in Deathloop. I still like DL because it's generally fun and has a neat style, but it does not scratch the same itch that MC did. Mooncrash is really just too good to be a DLC.
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Mooncrash definitely has a lot of rough edges, such as the infinitely craftable loop delay item, and the player power scaling. Deathloop makes a few too many compromises for its 1v1 mode, such as the braindead AI, but it's much more polished. I absolutely respect the attempt to create a multi-player immersive sim, even if the result falls short.
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there was actually a recent patch in Deathloop that made the AI enemies way more responsive and difficult overall, which may have fixed that complaint.
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I enjoyed the hell out of Deathloop - it’s more of a dishonored that takes away the non lethal options than it is Mooncrash /Prey though.
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Deathloop's great, it's just probably Arkane's weakest game. Which still leaves most other studios in the dust.
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Bounced off deathloop pretty hard tbh. I wanted to like it and it definitely has a lot going for it but the environment feels really shallow. Redfall looks interesting. Oh. It's co-op. Nevermind.  We're never getting another Prey again are we?
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Previa_fun posted:We're never getting another Prey again are we? in 10 years from now, but it will be an midbudget attempt to the 2006 Prey simply called Prey 2. Published by Focus Home Entertainment
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It will be a spiritual sequel to Alpha Protocol.
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