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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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Nenonen posted:Wolt has been in news lately for some reason. From what I've learned over the years, nations should be administered just like businesses. Looking at Wolt, they have borrowed a ton of money yet haven't made any kind of profit ever. What I got from the Wolt thing is that since their drivers are yrittäjäs taking yrittäjäriski, they need to get a cut from the sale. Allocate 10% of the sales price these yrittäjäs, and divide it according to how many individual contracts they had with Wolt. Seems fair.
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Nov 13, 2021 02:42
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I'm gonna read this book. 2020-luvun yhteiskuntapolitiikka Osmo Soininvaara. https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000008392541.html doverhog fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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Nov 13, 2021 05:37
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doverhog posted:What I got from the Wolt thing is that since their drivers are yrittäjäs taking yrittäjäriski, they need to get a cut from the sale. Unfortunately the deliverers weren't property of Wolt as one might think and even less share owners, they were just independent business pardners. Equal partners, too. But I find your suggestion good, it just has to go both ways. When a conglomerate is sold for billions, workers/partners should get a slice. And when a worker/partner sells their used up Corolla for 100 bucks, the conglomerate should get a fair share. Soininvaara seems to be going down the same rabbit hole as Wahlroos and other great thinkers.
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Nov 13, 2021 11:27
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Nenonen posted:Soininvaara seems to be going down the same rabbit hole as Wahlroos and other great thinkers. He's been consistent and honest for years.
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Nov 13, 2021 12:02
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Beyond OK Boomer: https://www.satakunnankansa.fi/satakunta/art-2000008398057.html Paywall but you get the olennainen
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Nov 13, 2021 12:13
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doverhog posted:He's been consistent and honest for years. All the same. Just another bootstraps boomer yelling from an ivory tower.
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Nov 13, 2021 12:16
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”Johan pomppasi. Tervetuloa Soinivaaralle vaan tutustumaan pienipalkkaisten arkeen, jossa jo nykyäänkin aivan liian moni joutuu turvautumaan yhteiskunnan tukiin pärjätäkseen. Kurjistetaan elämää entisestään. Sellaistako maailmaa todella halutaan”, palvelualan työntekijöitä edustavan Pamin puheenjohtaja Annika Rönni-Sällinen kommentoi Twitterissä. Comment on suggestion that the people who already need toimeentulotuki would instead get perustulo or some equivalent.
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Nov 13, 2021 15:22
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Soininvaara is nothing but logical in his thinking. I just don't understand to what he bases his premise that there are huge number of workers who are too low quality to be worth of decent wage.
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Nov 13, 2021 19:35
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Nothing but pure logic. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Nov 13, 2021 19:44
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How about we first do perustulo and then start fiddling with wages? Because doing it the other way around is 99% certain to result into lower wages and promises of perustulo for the next 30+ years.
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Nov 13, 2021 21:02
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Fish of hemp posted:Soininvaara is nothing but logical in his thinking. He is a statistician. It is not a moral argument, but rather an attempt to address reality as it is. He is working within the market system, and attempting to find what would work within that framework.
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Nov 13, 2021 21:03
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doverhog posted:Mikä teistä on Liberan tarkoitus? Minusta se puolustaa yhteiskunnan tehokkuutta ja vastustaa valtavirran Kokoomuksen ja Keskustan hyvä veli kähmintää.
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Nov 14, 2021 04:40
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Lol, didn't doverhog once claim to vote for some Libera ghoul who was the lone green dot at the far upper right corner of the vaalikone diagram? (not Soininvaara, just to be clear)
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Nov 14, 2021 11:31
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Fish of hemp posted:I just don't understand to what he bases his premise that there are huge number of workers who are too low quality to be worth of decent wage.
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Nov 14, 2021 11:39
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Fish of hemp posted:I just don't understand to what he bases his premise that there are huge number of workers who are too low quality to be worth of decent wage. There’s another issue that they’re often living in areas where there are not and will not be any jobs but Kepu is gonna Kepu and that is another issue.
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Nov 14, 2021 17:13
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Stubb Dogg posted:There’s another issue that they’re often living in areas where there are not and will not be any jobs but Kepu is gonna Kepu and that is another issue. This is tied to how it's impossible to take a home in Kainuu on its own property and transport all of that to Töölö where finding work would be easier, it's likewise impossible to sell your lande home for any kind of money that would help you find a similar property in Töölö.  Not to mention that Helsinki is a dystopian hellhole inhabited by, among others, Helsinkians.
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Nov 14, 2021 17:31
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Nenonen posted:Not to mention that Helsinki is a dystopian hellhole inhabited by, among others, Helsinkians. 58% of them were born somewhere else. Just move here, we're not like Turku, we accept all kinds of assholes. 
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Nov 14, 2021 18:46
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I was born in Helsinki, no way I'm going back there.
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Nov 14, 2021 19:33
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moved here years ago and i love it. piritori, karhupuisto and kontula feel like some dreamy hell dream manifested from a dystopian rap epic about the entrophic fall of all human efforts. feels like a home i never had before
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Nov 14, 2021 19:39
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Everyone considering moving south, please just move to Helsinki and stay there. Property prices elsewhere in Uusimaa are bad enough as they are and we can't stand the distance working hipsters who are escaping Helsinki in droves and ruining every nice town in the vicinity of pääkaupunki for the rest of us. (yeah i know, lmao at there being "nice towns" in uusimaa, let's be honest and say somewhat habitable instead)
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Nov 14, 2021 20:12
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I've lived now in Espoo for about a year now. It feels more like a collection of towns than a real city and all the places that have a chance of feeling like a real city are hugging Helsinki anyway so I'm moving back because like said above, the difference in rent is not really present anymore.
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Nov 14, 2021 20:32
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Helsinki is what it is due to geography but housing prices are still reasonable in Turku, Tampere, Oulu and Jyväskylä. What is not reasonable is that certain party insists on propping up rural counties that are not viable in any way. Maakunta reform will not end up well because there’s still twice as many of them as we need.
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Nov 14, 2021 20:36
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Stubb Dogg posted:There’s quite a few people with just elementary school education, around 30% I think Where did you get that number? It might be true for older generations, but for younger ones the percentage has been around 15% or less. The most current data I found gave the percentage of over 15 year olds at 26%, and that's artificially high, because it is counted from everyone over 15, not over 18 or 19-year olds, ie. people who've had time to actually complete a degree. Warden fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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Nov 14, 2021 20:44
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DarkCrawler posted:I've lived now in Espoo for about a year now. It feels more like a collection of towns than a real city and all the places that have a chance of feeling like a real city are hugging Helsinki anyway so I'm moving back because like said above, the difference in rent is not really present anymore. Espoo being more like a collection of towns rather than a city is the only thing that makes it barely livable
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Nov 14, 2021 21:12
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I was in Tikkurila once, and walked around for an hour or so and just started chuckling to myself because it was literally All Raisio. It was loving surreal.
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Nov 15, 2021 06:12
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Andrast posted:Espoo being more like a collection of towns rather than a city is the only thing that makes it barely livable Eh, I like living in a place with some kind of identity. Espoo probably has even less inhabitants born in the place than Helsinki so I guess that also makes it seem a bit rootless.
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Nov 15, 2021 07:23
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DarkCrawler posted:Eh, I like living in a place with some kind of identity. Espoo probably has even less inhabitants born in the place than Helsinki so I guess that also makes it seem a bit rootless. Espoo is the closest we've gotten to Corbusier's "machines to live in", spread out over what used to be pretty nice countryside.
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Nov 15, 2021 07:43
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Andrast posted:Espoo being more like a collection of towns rather than a city is the only thing that makes it barely livable Kepu sympathizer spotted.
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Nov 15, 2021 07:50
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I went to a job interview in Espoo and the cab ride from "Espoon keskus" (whatever the gently caress that's supposed to be) to the office was about ½ an hour through honest-to-goodness forest. They just decided to build an office park in the middle of a forest. I guess it's cheap but a big gently caress you to anyone who doesn't want to own an automobile.Jasper Tin Neck posted:Kepu sympathizer spotted. I thought accusing someone of being a nonce without proof was bannable.
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Nov 15, 2021 07:58
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I thought accusing someone of being a nonce without proof was bannable. I don't think it's noncing even if the cows are underage.
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Nov 15, 2021 08:01
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living in a forest would be pretty sweet if the commutes weren't so lovely
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Nov 15, 2021 08:21
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helsinki owns but i'd probably hate it if i had ever lived somewhere else
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Nov 15, 2021 10:13
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junan_paalla posted:helsinki owns but i'd probably hate it if i had ever lived somewhere else Everywhere else sucks. I will never leave Stadi again. RIP to landes suffering in here but im built different.
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Nov 15, 2021 10:24
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I think helsinki might be worse than actually dying personally.
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Nov 15, 2021 10:39
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Andrast posted:living in a forest would be pretty sweet if the commutes weren't so lovely This is why my employer can pry my "1 day a week at the office" agreemen from my cold, dead (possibly quit) hands.
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Nov 15, 2021 10:40
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Maa- ja metsätalousministeriön saisi lakkauttaa. https://twitter.com/mmm_fi/status/1460245709698052096 "Hahahaha you try to protect any forests, good luck with that bitch  "
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Nov 15, 2021 21:50
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12190662 "Puolueiden kokonaisimago"  Lähde: Kantar TNS Oy 2021, grafiikka: Lasse Isokangas / Yle ...mielenkiintoinen valinta Ylen graafikolta, mutta käy se noinkin. Tuohon taulukkoon nyt kuitenkaan ei kannata ripustautua, linkin takana on enemmän käppyröitä. Jotenkin erityisen mielenkiintoista on ero arvioissa Ohisalon ja Anderssonin vetovoimaisuudessa johtajina, kun molemmat näyttäytyvät vihervasemmistolaisina mutta vain toinen heistä jää Annika Saarikon taakse kyselyssä. Häh?
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Nov 16, 2021 23:17
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:This is why my employer can pry my "1 day a week at the office" agreemen from my cold, dead (possibly quit) hands. My employer went from one day a week at the office to three days a week at the office and I told my boss Im gonna find a new job unless they give me raise to offset the fact that I have to commute more often or live near the PK-seutu again lol
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Nov 17, 2021 06:33
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Kevyet Mullat Wexteenille.
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Nov 17, 2021 08:55
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Vihreiden nykytilannetta vois selittää osaltaan se, että aiemmilla hallituskausillaan ne ovat aina olleet sinipunahallituksissa. Linjaa ovat vetäneet joko oikeistodemarit tai kokoomus ja oppositiossa on ollut keskusta ja myöhemmin ps. Vihreiden oikeistosiipi on siis pysynyt tyytyväisenä eikä vasemmalla siivellä ole ollut mitään minne livetä, kun sd/vas ovat olleet yhtälailla hallituksessa eivätkä ne kepulaisiksikaan voi ryhtyä. Lipponen II ja Katainen/Stubb oli myös niin laajapohjaisia hallituksia että niistä saattoi tiukan paikan tullen erota kokonaan ilman että koko hallitus kaatuu. Nyt tilanne on ihan eri, kun ollaankin isolla eduskuntaryhmällä aika niukkaenemmistöisessä vasemmistohallituksessa ja oppositiossa on kokoomus. Ilmastoasiat ovat hallitusohjelmassa isossa roolissa, mutta niissä keihäänkärkenä onkin SDP. Vihreiden vasemmassa laidassa on varmasti jo joku huomannut, että sd ja vasemmistoliitto ovat ilmasto- ja ihmisoikeusasioissa ihan samoilla linjoilla mutta niillä on jopa sellainenkin asia kuin johdonmukainen yhteiskuntafilosofinen ja talouspoliittinen ideologia siinä pohjalla, mitä vihreillä ei ole koskaan oikein ollut (ja niillä on vielä ne valovoimaisemmat johtajatkin). Oikea laita taas vuotaa ihan varmasti kokoomukseen, kun aiemmin pöhinäpohjalta vihreitä äänestäneet ovat yhtäkkiä hoksanneet että ilmasto- ja ihmisoikeusasioiden todellinen edistäminen vaatiikin jonkinlaista kollektiivista vastuunottoa ja eihän se nyt tietenkään sovi. Mitään näppärää kontrastipuoluettakaan vihreillä ei juuri nyt ole, kun PS on kasvanut liian isoksi ja kepu on kuihtunut liian pieneksi. Eikä mitään isoa protestiperformanssiakaan voi tässä hallituksessa oikein suorittaa ilman että koko korttitalo kaatuu, millä imagopisteet tuskin nousisivat yhtään tässä tilanteessa, varsinkin kun siihen ei ole mitään kunnollista syytäkään kun hallitusohjelmaa on vihreiden kynnyskysymysten suhteen ymmärtääkseni noudatettu. Eli kaiken kaikkiaan vihreät kärsivät koska vasemmisto on kerrankin valtaan päästessään parempi ajamaan niitä asioita joita vihreät väittävät ajavansa, ja markkinaliberaalit vihreiden äänestäjät tietenkin mieluummin loikkaavat kokoomukseen kuin katsovat peiliin.
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