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Re: the amount of holidays in jobs Korea vs China. My last job in China, (public High School in Fujian), made me work on Grand Final day. Despite me telling them for months beforehand that it was an important day, and asking if they were sure we wouldn't be working that Saturday, (as a make up day for a public holiday the next monday). The school tells me all is well, until the Thursday before, I get a memo saying that I will indeed be required to teach extra lessons on Grand Final day. So instead of watching the only close GF in the last 5 years, I get to babysit some resentful high school kids who want to be in class on a Saturday just as much as I do. Out of spite I haven't even watched the replay of that match, (Collingwood v West Coast to date it.) And my last job in Korea, at a tiny Hagwon, the owner tried to pass off a Sat-Sun as part of my 5 day Summer Vacation. meaning I would in practice only get out of 3 days of class.
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GoutPatrol posted:sup 88 buddy, what a lucky dragon year Lucky my arse. Oh well. Apparently the North Korean situation's getting pretty bad, they've run out of materials for bank notes: https://www.asiapress.org/rimjin-gang/ Then again, I suspect Rimjin Gang ain't the most reliable of sources.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:GF can I probe this fetal filth for obscenity? Do what you want man it's your forum Atopian posted:Come to Jiangsu. It has Suzhou and Shanghai and stuff. Live in the only part of China with lovely food AND is also expensive as gently caress? No thanks. BrigadierSensible posted:And my last job in Korea, at a tiny Hagwon, the owner tried to pass off a Sat-Sun as part of my 5 day Summer Vacation. meaning I would in practice only get out of 3 days of class. I remember feeling lucky at my hagwon that the five days of vacation were five working days, so with the weekends I had a whole nine days in a row off. What luxury!
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Grand Fromage posted:Live in the only part of China with lovely food AND is also expensive as gently caress? No thanks. Like Britain, Jiangsu makes up for its undistinguished cuisine by importing lots of styles from elsewhere. Can't help with living costs, but presumably any potential employer could.
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Mr. Fix It posted:american prisons bad. chinese prisons good. I've done time in Thailand, and come to the conclusion that prisons in general are worse than freedom.
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If you're offering absurd amounts of money we can talk. The one thing that appeals about Shanghai is being able to be in China without being in capital C China, as it were.
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Maybe a hot take but, I'm not a huge fan of Shanghai I get why people would like it and I'm glad theres a shake shack there and literally the only DDR machine I know about in China, but it feels like everyones got a "thing" going on and it's weird.
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shanghai is good imo and far better than most of china for livin' in (i think i still prefer chengdu overall). also we got a little earthquake today. that was exciting.
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Nov 17, 2021 09:34
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Come to Thailand and teach. It's a sweet gig if you find your niche at a school.
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A guy I know from Uni teaches in the UAE. He makes bank because there's nothing there in terms of entertainment. He's actually employed by the government so he doesn't have to worry about anyone stealing is paycheck. Downsides: don't be gay, no hooking up, no alcohol, no walking or biking outside because it's too hot (not that there would be anything worth exploring anyways).
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China likes to pull off bullshit with its days off. You can have those nine days for national week. Just know that you will make up some of those days by working on Saturday or Sunday. It's annoying. Atlas Hugged posted:Come to Thailand and teach. It's a sweet gig if you find your niche at a school. I have been thinking of leaving China for Thailand. I should have my teaching credential in hand by the end of the year. I do have some concerns tho: the pay, applying outside of China and I hear that Thailand pass is a bit of a shitshow. Still, the search continues. Cuz I don't want to work at this school, at least. the panacea posted:A guy I know from Uni teaches in the UAE. He makes bank because there's nothing there in terms of entertainment. He's actually employed by the government so he doesn't have to worry about anyone stealing is paycheck. UAE is good if you don't mind teaching rich failsons who know they won't fail. If you need to work on something with absolutely no distractions, you go there.
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Hey, long time reader, first time poster. Since the topic of teaching has come up, is there still a viable pathway for someone coming out of college with just a Bachelor's Degree and maybe a CELTA to land a semi-decent job in China? I've always wanted to teach English overseas, and as has been mentioned in this thread China seems to offer the best opportunity, but a lot the news coming out about new regulations cracking down on private teaching institutions makes me worry about the long-term prospects of such a choice. Also, is it still possible to land cushier University jobs in rural provinces that don't pay so well, but give you a lot of free time? I remember there being a dedicated TEFL thread back in the day, but I never got a chance to read it before it disappeared.
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CourtFundedPoster posted:Hey, long time reader, first time poster. Right now, teaching TEFL in China is a tall order. The new regulations have essentially gutted ESL teaching in China. Even K - 12 schools are effected. We can only give a limited amount of homework and we cannot have physical copies of textbooks. Not to mention that getting into China is a pain in the rear end nowadays. Flights are expensive and some cities are up to 28 days quarantine. If you go on r/TEFL, you'll see inquiries about other countries, or just about teaching online. The China TEFL goldrush ended long ago.
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Forceholy posted:UAE is good if you don't mind teaching rich failsons who know they won't fail. If you need to work on something with absolutely no distractions, you go there. Oh you are gonna absolutely love Thailand
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The Alchemist posted:Oh you are gonna absolutely love Thailand Yeah, I know teaching abroad is mostly a scam. I'm teaching 富二代 right now. One of them got past the firewall on my computer to look at porn. It has no VPN. It would be impressive if this kid weren't nine years old!
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There's no reason in my mind for any male who wants to bank money and have a fairly easy life to teach anywhere other than the Middle East. Saudi sucks, but you can have a great time in the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. The biggest caveats are that it might be boring and ugly but tbh so what? You'll be rich enough to laugh at your own boredom and you get a ton of vacation.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:There's no reason in my mind for any male who wants to bank money and have a fairly easy life to teach anywhere other than the Middle East. Saudi sucks, but you can have a great time in the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. The biggest caveats are that it might be boring and ugly but tbh so what? You'll be rich enough to laugh at your own boredom and you get a ton of vacation. I've heard that the requirements tend to be more stringent for the Middle East. A bachelor's degree in an unrelated field may not cut it in the same way it would for other markets. Forceholy posted:The China TEFL goldrush ended long ago. I was worried that might be the answer. Should have went over when I had the chance.
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Honestly if you can get to China right now you can get a job teaching, in an international school at least. All the people who stayed through the lockdowns etc are leaving because they want to see granny and travel. So everyone at the lower tier schools is stepping up a rank because they are a warm body and most schools are only hiring people who are already in China.
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Japan is still hiring for eikaiwa jobs, and eikaiwa homework never existed anyway.
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I did the whole TEFL thing with a mind to go to Japan and work there. Ended up in Barcelona for 5 or so years, no regrets. Had an awesome time. I would've maybe done China but it was right around when the whole "president for life" thing happened that I had the chance, so kind of annoyed I hadn't gone sooner when things were a bit different. Advice from other teachers who I met along the way was don't do Middle East unless you're almost entirely money driven and don't care about much of a social life, try and get in with British Council schools if you can and understand that setting up a school is absolutely horrendously unfun.
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There's teaching in Thailand and there's teaching in Thailand. If you go the government school route, your pay will be trash, you may or may not get a salary during the month long school breaks, and yeah you legally can't fail your students. If the school likes you though you can ride that gig into the sunset and do practically no work if that's your thing. Thai private schools are a step up, but the no-fail policy is typically enforced. A lot of people who want to feel like they're doing a real job but also either don't have the right qualifications or don't want any more stress/burden than they have to end up here. Again, if you find a job that's a good fit, you can work at a place basically until you die. If you can get into an international school, you're golden. Failing kids is fine, pay is good, and the holidays can be amazing. The downside is that you're expected to put in more hours and your teaching quality will be evaluated more harshly. The school also won't feel bad at all about replacing you if you start slacking and your contract is up for renewal. Plus, "hiso" parents will blame you for their monster spawn being anything less than perfect and will make your life hell if you don't know how to defend yourself properly Right now we're in a weird place because we don't really know who has more leverage, the employers or the employees. Getting into the country is finally getting easier, and like, actually doable, but people who have been tolerating jobs they normally would have jumped ship from are suddenly feeling confident enough to look for better positions. So schools might finally have a respectable pool to draw from and that will increase competition among teachers and possibly increase the difficulty of holding a job, but it could also result in schools that thought they were stable suddenly having a ton of unexpected turnover.
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Also the awesome as hell restaurant that I took a bunch of you to when you visited from China has closed due to covid. 
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yaffle posted:Honestly if you can get to China right now you can get a job teaching, in an international school at least. All the people who stayed through the lockdowns etc are leaving because they want to see granny and travel. So everyone at the lower tier schools is stepping up a rank because they are a warm body and most schools are only hiring people who are already in China. If you're already in China, and you have experience, qualifications, and are keen to stay for a bit longer, you are the belle of the ball out here. I've been job hunting recently and my linkedin has blown up with recruiters offering me contracts that day! Schools are starving out here
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Grand Fromage posted:This is the problem looking at other countries. In China I can get paid at least twice as much, cost of living's lower, work less, have two or three months paid vacation, teach a subject I actually like. I look at jobs in Korea and just lol immediately. If you ever want the complete opposite of china give finland a try. Caveat: I have no loving idea what I am talking about.
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I haven't seen the training school thing cause any trouble for people who want to work anywhere but training centers, and I would never, ever recommend a training center even if they weren't all being gutted. The hard part is getting into China, getting the PU letter and all that. In terms of actual jobs at schools there's a ton, especially since so many people left. The training center people left looking for jobs are, honestly, not generally a super qualified group. But then again I'm in Zhengzhou and who actually chooses to come to Zhengzhou. I will honestly say Zhengzhou is good and a lot of the stuff people hate about it is the stuff that would piss you off just passing through (it's impressively ugly) or from before the subway was expanded, but regardless it has a reputation.
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His Divine Shadow posted:If you ever want the complete opposite of china give finland a try. Caveat: I have no loving idea what I am talking about. You have about same amount of paid vacation, pay is not good(compared to the living costs) unless you are a university professor, yet you have to be very competent and take new training courses almost every year. Students get to physically bully you but if you so much as shout at them, you are going to lose your teaching permit. I'd rather live in one of those Chinese detention camps than worked as a highschool teacher in Finland
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CourtFundedPoster posted:Since the topic of teaching has come up, is there still a viable pathway for someone coming out of college with just a Bachelor's Degree and maybe a CELTA to land a semi-decent job in China? Not really. Caveat that I have never been an English teacher in China so I don't know it personally, but a lot of the market was in private schools that have been shut down (though that's already being walked back) and theoretically they aren't hiring people straight out of college anymore, you're supposed to have at least a few years of working experience. Once border restrictions ease there may be a giant hiring spree, depends how many people jump ship. A lot of the people I know in China are planning to get out because of *gestures broadly at thread*. Also living in China kinda sucks. The only reason it's on my radar is it's possible to get jobs there that are teaching actual subjects at actual schools, which is nearly impossible in a lot of other places. And I have good qualifications that would impress Chinese hiring people. I have ascended beyond dignity, ethics, or pride and just want a job I can tolerate and to be left alone somewhere with good food that is not the US, so. If you just want to teach English to spend some time abroad, I would recommend Korea or Japan instead since those are nice places to live. Atlas Hugged posted:Also the awesome as hell restaurant that I took a bunch of you to when you visited from China has closed due to covid.  Bangkok sucks now. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Chinathread: I've just been resting at home and everything is fine.
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Chinathread: Everything is fine. Nobody is purged.
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I'm just enjoying my house. No, the horde of plainclothes police outside don't have anything to do with it. Please disperse.
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This is my totally normal bathroom in my totally normal house:
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Grand Fromage posted:Anyway, lol: I'm the text cursor they forgot to move offscreen.
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Jagged Jim posted:I'm the text cursor they forgot to move offscreen. That's called professionalism.
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hello i am actually peng shuai, my job is playing tennis but my main hobby is shitposting on the website something awful dot c|om. i am posting while on the toilet in the safety of my own home thanks for coming to my ted talk
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McGavin posted:Chinathread: I've just been resting at home and everything is fine.
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McGavin posted:Chinathread: I've just been resting at home and everything is fine.
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Please deliver £1,000,000 in new banknotes to 21 Moorgate. I am not being held against my will.
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I'm not missing, the state has known exactly where I am all along.
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did china let John Cena keep dual citizenship or did they purchase him outright like with the Damon/Johansen trade
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