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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
| Total: | 13 votes | ||
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Asteroid Alert posted:Kevyet Mullat Wexteenille. Vahingossa quotetin enkä editoin joten sen sijaan sanonkin rip wexteen
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Nov 17, 2021 09:02
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Forktoss posted:Vihreiden nykytilannetta vois selittää osaltaan se, että aiemmilla hallituskausillaan ne ovat aina olleet sinipunahallituksissa. Linjaa ovat vetäneet joko oikeistodemarit tai kokoomus ja oppositiossa on ollut keskusta ja myöhemmin ps. Vihreiden oikeistosiipi on siis pysynyt tyytyväisenä eikä vasemmalla siivellä ole ollut mitään minne livetä, kun sd/vas ovat olleet yhtälailla hallituksessa eivätkä ne kepulaisiksikaan voi ryhtyä. Lipponen II ja Katainen/Stubb oli myös niin laajapohjaisia hallituksia että niistä saattoi tiukan paikan tullen erota kokonaan ilman että koko hallitus kaatuu. Nyt tilanne on ihan eri, kun ollaankin isolla eduskuntaryhmällä aika niukkaenemmistöisessä vasemmistohallituksessa ja oppositiossa on kokoomus. Ilmastoasiat ovat hallitusohjelmassa isossa roolissa, mutta niissä keihäänkärkenä onkin SDP. Vihreiden vasemmassa laidassa on varmasti jo joku huomannut, että sd ja vasemmistoliitto ovat ilmasto- ja ihmisoikeusasioissa ihan samoilla linjoilla mutta niillä on jopa sellainenkin asia kuin johdonmukainen yhteiskuntafilosofinen ja talouspoliittinen ideologia siinä pohjalla, mitä vihreillä ei ole koskaan oikein ollut (ja niillä on vielä ne valovoimaisemmat johtajatkin). Oikea laita taas vuotaa ihan varmasti kokoomukseen, kun aiemmin pöhinäpohjalta vihreitä äänestäneet ovat yhtäkkiä hoksanneet että ilmasto- ja ihmisoikeusasioiden todellinen edistäminen vaatiikin jonkinlaista kollektiivista vastuunottoa ja eihän se nyt tietenkään sovi. Mitään näppärää kontrastipuoluettakaan vihreillä ei juuri nyt ole, kun PS on kasvanut liian isoksi ja kepu on kuihtunut liian pieneksi. Eikä mitään isoa protestiperformanssiakaan voi tässä hallituksessa oikein suorittaa ilman että koko korttitalo kaatuu, millä imagopisteet tuskin nousisivat yhtään tässä tilanteessa, varsinkin kun siihen ei ole mitään kunnollista syytäkään kun hallitusohjelmaa on vihreiden kynnyskysymysten suhteen ymmärtääkseni noudatettu. Eli kaiken kaikkiaan vihreät kärsivät koska vasemmisto on kerrankin valtaan päästessään parempi ajamaan niitä asioita joita vihreät väittävät ajavansa, ja markkinaliberaalit vihreiden äänestäjät tietenkin mieluummin loikkaavat kokoomukseen kuin katsovat peiliin. En jaksanut lukea. Rip Wexteen.
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Nov 17, 2021 09:02
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Kepeät mullat Wexteenille ja lol koko poliittiselle tilanteelle.
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Nov 17, 2021 09:04
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Linkola oli tyhäm mutta "Vihreistä" se oli saatanan oikeassa.
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Nov 17, 2021 09:56
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Kevyttä multaa ja substralia Kasville, jos se siitä vielä virkoaisi.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:11
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Nenonen posted:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12190662 Nuo positiivisuusmittaukset ovat vihreiden ja vasemmiston kohdalla kääntäen verrannollisia kannatuksen kasvusuuntaan, eli silloin kun hymistellään, jengi tykkää, ihan kiva, jees, muttei äänestä. Sitten kun otetaan kantaa, se vituttaa erinnäisiä setäoletettuja, mutta saa myös äänestäjiä liikkeelle.
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Nov 17, 2021 11:22
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ripot wexteen
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Nov 17, 2021 11:29
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Rip Wexteen. Lähti liian aikaisin, ja liian pitkään kärsineenä.
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Nov 17, 2021 12:41
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onks kellään vieläkää sitä vitun kuvaa
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Nov 17, 2021 13:15
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Kevyempiä aiheita https://twitter.com/FinPolloliitto/status/1460723866159001618?t=GAk_Sp8m2s3qSakU9Yu-FQ&s=19
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Nov 17, 2021 14:25
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Häviäjien on helppo todeta, etten olisi halunnutkaan kisoihin.
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Nov 17, 2021 16:42
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adhuin posted:Häviäjien on helppo todeta, etten olisi halunnutkaan kisoihin.  Unless I have missed something and Palloliitto has really changed its name to Pöllöliitto
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Nov 17, 2021 18:30
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Stubb Dogg posted:Helsinki is what it is due to geography but housing prices are still reasonable in Turku, Tampere, Oulu and Jyväskylä. What is not reasonable is that certain party insists on propping up rural counties that are not viable in any way. Maakunta reform will not end up well because there’s still twice as many of them as we need. UK has had like 4 maakuntas since 1950's for xx million people. The gurus in Finland decided we need like 20 maakuntas for 5 million people in 2023. Wtf.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:33
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Putin going: "we didn't even tell them to do THAT lmao these guys are great!"
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Nov 17, 2021 19:40
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All Kepuists are traitors.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:40
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To humanity.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:40
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Ihmemies posted:UK has had like 4 maakuntas since 1950's for xx million people. The gurus in Finland decided we need like 20 maakuntas for 5 million people in 2023. Wtf. Could be worse, we could be US. Imagine Keski-Pohjanmaa having as many MPs as Uusimaa. Or Kainuu. Or Lappi. Actually, just imagine a turve-caked poo poo boot stomping on a human face forever, and Paavo laughing eternally in the darkness.
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Nov 17, 2021 20:19
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Despite being poo poo this is still the best possible healthcare reform we could get because any other option would have had Kokoomus doing their thing in it
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Nov 17, 2021 20:29
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Ihmemies posted:UK has had like 4 maakuntas since 1950's for xx million people. The gurus in Finland decided we need like 20 maakuntas for 5 million people in 2023. Wtf. Ants have had six legs for over a hundred million years and there are quadrillions of them. loving humanoid elitists, think they can get along with only two and there are only seven thousand millions of them and even that just recently. What. Were. They. Thinking?!?
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Nov 17, 2021 20:36
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Well you see, there was this guy from Buenos Aires, and it didn't turn out so well for human-bug-relations
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Nov 18, 2021 06:19
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Eh I don't really care if they set up a hundred maakuntas. Maybe I'm a closet kepu at heart but I kinda like the idea that small municipalities can join up with their neighbours to do essential things like health care that they cannot afford to keep up on their own but still remain relatively independent, as long as the kunta-to-maakunta transition of power is set up in a way that's fair for all. Maybe 18 or whatever it is is a bit much but it's a lot easier to merge them together later than centralise everything first and then try to walk that back. I'm sure it's going to be hell in practice and kepu'd through and through, but in principle it's fine I think.
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Nov 18, 2021 10:54
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Just the IT migration for länsi-uusimaan hyvinvointialue is going to cost hundreds of millions, all of SOTE migration is probably going to cost over a billion just for the IT alone, not to mention all of the actual healthcare stuff. It's going to be a huge loving mess.
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Nov 18, 2021 11:48
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One wonders how Estonia managed to build their IT system for a trifle of the sums quoted here? Part of me thinks, maybe it was all state run and here we're having private companies do it. But I dunno if that it true, I just hope it is.
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Nov 18, 2021 13:09
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His Divine Shadow posted:One wonders how Estonia managed to build their IT system for a trifle of the sums quoted here? Part of me thinks, maybe it was all state run and here we're having private companies do it. But I dunno if that it true, I just hope it is. are you implying late-stage capitalism doesn't... work
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Nov 18, 2021 13:15
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I'm hoping it doesn't
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Nov 18, 2021 13:41
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Isn't Estonia's system way more limited in scope of what it actually does/includes? I guess that's a part of the problem with the Finnish approach anyway, but it'd still explain a lot.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:14
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Migrating confidential health data from a million different systems - all of which are designed by autistic nerds for luddite doctors - into one national system is super difficult
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Nov 18, 2021 17:20
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It doesn’t cost billion euros in developers salaries or software licenses, most of the costs is in training the end users to yet another system.
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Nov 18, 2021 17:27
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Plus disconnecting all the sote services from the municipality's network and setting up a whole new one for the hyvinvointialue, and the army of konsultit required to actually plan out what needs to be done, in what order and how to get it done in time and according to the sote law, while still providing the required sote services to people. My department's balls deep in this (we have YTs to see who's leaving to work for the hyvinvintialue) but thankfully I can mostly watch the trainwreck from the sidelines.
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Nov 18, 2021 18:08
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Forktoss posted:Maybe I'm a closet kepu at heart but I kinda like the idea that small municipalities can join up with their neighbours to do essential things like health care that they cannot afford to keep up on their own but still remain relatively independent, as long as the kunta-to-maakunta transition of power is set up in a way that's fair for all. "Cost sharing for expensive specialist care? Yes please. Cost sharing for basic healthcare? Nah, we can provide that more cost effectively for our wealthier and healthier population, thank you." Jasper Tin Neck fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 18, 2021 18:26
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The main argument for not starting from a clean slate is that there's a big risk of losing patient data which could result in unnecessary deaths. Now we have apotti which resulted in losing patient data, patients getting wrong prescriptions, none of the personnel being happy with it, etc. We seriously need people who understand computers and internet in positions of power. And yeah, every municipality has basically had their own systems made by the nephew of the head of the said municipality. There's such variety in everything. The correct course of action would've been to pick Esko (Oulu system) and gradually one by one migrate the current systems into that one. SnowblindFatal fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 12:39
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Are any of the remaining Pelit crew better politically than Ossi Mäntylahti?
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Nov 19, 2021 12:43
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https://twitter.com/nnirvi/status/1432285430712516613
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Nov 19, 2021 17:27
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RIP Wexteen ja kiva nähdä toi Nirvin tsirppaus.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:16
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SnowblindFatal posted:The main argument for not starting from a clean slate is that there's a big risk of losing patient data which could result in unnecessary deaths. A statistician might calculate which results in more or less deaths over a period of time, or how much health can be gained with a certain amount of resources spent. Right now for example, unvaxxed corona patients are receiving so much health care resources that other patients with normal problems are being pushed off and will soon start to die, and in any case are suffering from their conditions. Corona deniers and antivaxxers should have to pay for their own medical costs and not allowed to go outside without proof of vaccine.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:31
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doverhog posted:Corona deniers and antivaxxers should have to pay for their own medical costs Hell, that's a good idea but doesn't go far enough. Should apply to fatties, smokers and drunks too. What we need are morality boards to decide who qualifies for healthcare and who's just wasting taxpayer money. It would be a cheap solution too since you could get elderly people who comment on hs articles to do it for the cost of pullakahvit once a day.
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Nov 20, 2021 05:02
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All those are addictions that are hard to change. Getting vaxxed is not hard at all. If it makes you uncomfortable, we can do away with the medical costs bit. If they are not allowed to leave their homes until they get vaxxed that might be enough to stop the antivaxx nut cases from literally killing people by overloading the hospitals.
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Nov 20, 2021 05:34
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bloom posted:Hell, that's a good idea but doesn't go far enough. Should apply to fatties, smokers and drunks too. Have to say, I'm really a fan of unironic morality boards just going absolutely hog wild (  Hogge Wild) on society, it's the worst caricature of the nanny state imaginable.
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Nov 20, 2021 05:58
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Oh boo hoo, it's hard to skip the kebu and punainen nortti? I don't see why they get to overload the hospitals because they're too lazy to improve their living habits. Also let's face it, kotiaresti for the unvaccinated is meaningless without proper valvonta. Antivaxxers and other leeches should be imprisoned. If the prisons can't handle the load maybe we could set up some kinda temporary camps to concentrate them in. Joking aside, I'm no antivaxxer but the current mediailmapiiri around the topic is loving insane. Ympäri Eurooppaa ollaan ilmeisesti valmiita heittämään oikeusvaltio roskiin yhden taudin takia. Korona on toki vittumainen keissi, mutta meneehän nämä setit nyt vähän överiksi.
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Nov 20, 2021 06:05
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The effort it takes to get a vaccine and the myriad of environmental, societal and economic causes it takes for someone to pick bad habits or addictions are only compared by morons. If there was a 2 x 15 minute way for everyone to proof themselves against those, your analogy might have legs. As of now, it is a quadriplegic and it's head is resting on an executioner's block.
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Nov 20, 2021 07:17
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