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mod sassinator posted:The most vocal doctors in this thread have been consistently wrong at every step of the pandemic. I’m so tired of this bullshit. Medical experts have been relying on the best understanding of COVID-19 at any given time and that information is going to develop and evolve over time. People are going to make mistakes, too, because they’re loving human. You make this weird claim but of course you don’t say anything specific. You clearly ignore anything they’ve said that was correct and expect professionals to not only be correct 100% of the time, but to also have unlimited agency in policy decisions and the full cooperation of literally everyone in the country. Look, if you know so drat much, why aren’t you out in the trenches fixing this poo poo? How many lives have you saved? Where is your research getting published? When can we see your 100% effective vaccine for COVID-19? You clearly seem to think you know better than they do, so why don’t you prove it? Maybe folks are just doing they best they loving can while dealing with massive burnout, death threats, political pressure, massive social media networks hellbent on promoting dangerous bullshit for profit and naysayers like yourself. 
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There's no such thing as science that's always correct. Such a thing wouldn't be science. Suggesting that experts should not be listened to because they have been wrong in the past is phenomenally stupid. Saying that non-experts were very occasionally right and therefore they are the ones who should be listened to instead is even more so.
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Nov 18, 2021 07:15
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Seems like the analysis is they are peaking to nearly their highest case count ever but are currently at a seven day moving average of six deaths. When before a peak 1/5th as high was having a moving average of sixty deaths per day. Because vaccines are real and work and weird super online double reverse antivaxx people are still wrong about vaccines being fake or failed or not working. I tend to agree that the vaccines will make a huge difference and pretending they don't is a bit of a waste of time. But to be fair, deaths tend to lag cases by about 25 days so might be a bit early to call yet.
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Nov 18, 2021 07:23
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personally, i get all my pandemic information and advice from the politics communities on the web 1.0 pig poop balls forum
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Nov 18, 2021 09:14
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Illuminti posted:I tend to agree that the vaccines will make a huge difference and pretending they don't is a bit of a waste of time. But to be fair, deaths tend to lag cases by about 25 days so might be a bit early to call yet. You can see the same decoupling between high case numbers and high death rates in basically every well-vaccinated country, some of them for quite a few months now. The UK's high case rates really hit their stride in July and never significantly went down, but deaths are nowhere near what they were in previous waves (and the vast majority of them are unvaccinated).
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Nov 18, 2021 09:53
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The anti-vaxxer cspam thread who correctly think that zero covid is the only rational policy platform, lest we end up in a “new cancer” amount of deaths merek’s disease dystopia, has been convincing people to lie about their names and get booster shots for nearly six months lmao. The handling of the pandemic has been pathologically bad and anyone who argues for anything less than zero covid as a required outcome is either completely lost in denialism or a malignant sociopath.
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Nov 18, 2021 09:53
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Deaths aren’t decoupled. They have a new ratio, a ratio that depends on who’s gotten vaccinated and when. Rising cases still implies more more death and disability, and falling cases still implies less death and disability. No one says that a car that has shifted gears has decoupled the engine from the wheels.
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Nov 18, 2021 10:01
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Sure the required measures might look difficult and overly authoritarian now, but that’s just because we needlessly coddled a fanatically stupid and terminally oppositional defiant disorder infected horde for nearly two years and now the festering plague is much much worse than it has ever been. We should have done real lockdowns, contact tracing, and NPIs in February of 2020. We should have done it in May and June of this year when we had a miracle new vaccine that would have allowed us to achieve victory and eradicate the disease. We didn’t though, so now we have to do more painful things or millions of people will die needlessly and tens of millions will be maimed every year, forever.
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Nov 18, 2021 10:01
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Stereotype posted:Sure the required measures might look difficult and overly authoritarian now, but that’s just because we needlessly coddled a fanatically stupid and terminally oppositional defiant disorder infected horde for nearly two years and now the festering plague is much much worse than it has ever been. We should have done real lockdowns, contact tracing, and NPIs in February of 2020. We should have done it in May and June of this year when we had a miracle new vaccine that would have allowed us to achieve victory and eradicate the disease. We didn’t though, so now we have to do more painful things or millions of people will die needlessly and tens of millions will be maimed every year, forever. such as?
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Nov 18, 2021 10:07
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Fritz the Horse posted:such as? Large scale lockdowns, nationwide mask mandates, massive and invasive contact tracing programs, halt to air travel and severe limitations on gatherings, a huge expansion in testing, plus more. We didn’t need to, but now we do.
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Stereotype posted:Large scale lockdowns, nationwide mask mandates, massive and invasive contact tracing programs, halt to air travel and severe limitations on gatherings, a huge expansion in testing, plus more. That sounds great! How do we make that happen nationwide? For what it's worth, all of the above have been in effect in my area since March of 2020. We've continuously had a mask mandate, stay-at-home order, curfew, limitations on indoor gatherings, mass access to testing and (more recently) vaccinations. A dedicated testing/tracing task force staffed 24/7. All education has been remote. We even had checkpoints on all the major highways for most of 2020 but that turned out to not be very effective. I'm assuming you're talking about the US specifically, apologies if you're not. How do we enforce all this nationally? edit: Oh and also my employer (one of the largest locally) required full vaccination by August 1st and is now requiring a booster by Jan 1st. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Nov 18, 2021 10:29
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Stereotype posted:Sure the required measures might look difficult and overly authoritarian now, but that’s just because we needlessly coddled a fanatically stupid and terminally oppositional defiant disorder infected horde for nearly two years and now the festering plague is much much worse than it has ever been. We should have done real lockdowns, contact tracing, and NPIs in February of 2020. We should have done it in May and June of this year when we had a miracle new vaccine that would have allowed us to achieve victory and eradicate the disease. We didn’t though, so now we have to do more painful things or millions of people will die needlessly and tens of millions will be maimed every year, forever. Actually it is much better than its ever been. Even if it's still really poo poo. Edit: Because over three billion people are fully vaccinated Illuminti fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Nov 18, 2021 12:06
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quote:AstraZeneca's antibody treatment has been shown to be highly effective at preventing Covid-19 in people who may not respond well to vaccines, according to new clinical trial results. quote:In a separate trial, patients with mild-to-moderate Covid-19 who were given one dose of AZD7442 within three days of developing symptoms had their risk of developing severe disease reduced by 88%. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/astrazeneca-antibody-drug-83percent-effective-at-preventing-covid-trial.html
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Nov 18, 2021 13:35
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Illuminti posted:Actually it is much better than its ever been. Even if it's still really poo poo. "fully" is Olympic-class weightlifting in this sentence.
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Nov 18, 2021 14:33
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"Fully vaccinated" is a time-dependent variable rather than a permanent state change, at least for two shots. It remains to be seen how long a third s shot lasts.
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Nov 18, 2021 14:52
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brugroffil posted:"Fully vaccinated" is a time-dependent variable rather than a permanent state change, at least for two shots. It remains to be seen how long a third s shot lasts. That applies to every single vaccine you have ever taken. Your measles antibodies are not nearly as high as they peaked when you go the shot. Every vaccine is statistical and for the conditions you are going to encounter. Like after a few years almost 5% of people have reduced measles protection, but we generally don't care because measles is pretty low incidence where most people live so we count that as fine. In a situation where measles was very common we would have more shots to prevent that. It's not binary. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...d%20population. Main Outcome Measure Measles antibody levels were assessed by plaque-reduction neutralization: titers less than 8 mIU/mL were considered seronegative and suggestive of susceptibility to measles, and titers of 120 mIU/mL or less were considered low and suggestive of potential susceptibility. Results During the study period, no measles was reported in the study area. Voluntary attrition reduced the study population from 621 at enrollment to 364 (58.6%) by study end. Before the second dose, 3.1% (19/621) had low titers, of whom 74% (14/19) were antibody-negative, with geometric mean titers being significantly higher in kindergarteners (1559 mIU/mL) than in middle schoolers (757 mIU/mL) and rates of negativity significantly lower (1.0% [3/312] vs 3.6% [11/309]). One month after the second dose, 0.2% (1/612) had low titers and none was seronegative, with geometric mean titers being significantly higher in kindergarteners (2814 mIU/mL) than in middle schoolers (1672 mIU/mL). By study end, 4.9% (18/364) had low titers and none was seronegative, with no significant difference in geometric mean titers between kindergarteners (641 mIU/mL) and middle schoolers (737 mIU/mL) when both groups were aged 15 years. Projections suggest that the proportion of persons with low antibody levels may increase over time.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:13
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mdemone posted:"fully" is Olympic-class weightlifting in this sentence. Speaking of Olympic covid feats, there have already been a few cases detected in the Olympic bubble! It's just pre-Games training right now, but it'll be interesting to see how Beijing handles the sudden arrival from around the globe of a bunch of entitled meatheads while the entire world's attention is on them.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:14
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:after a few years almost 5% of people have reduced measles protection Five percent of people having a measurable reduction after a few years is a galaxy away from the decline with see with coronavirus immunity, and it’s not one of the cool close galaxies like NGC 253.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:20
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Fritz the Horse posted:That sounds great! How do we make that happen nationwide? I don’t give a poo poo how we do it and I also don’t expect our current generation of feckless incompetent pandering “leaders” to do any of it. I’m just saying it needs to be done or else a million more americans will die in the next year. Hawaii is also doing decently and has a large amount of restrictions, and I think my state will be mostly spared the coming devastating mass atrocity, but most won’t be so lucky.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:23
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Platystemon posted:Five percent of people having a measurable reduction after a few years is a galaxy away from the decline with see with coronavirus immunity, and it’s not one of the cool close galaxies like NGC 253. The point is, you aren't fully vaccinated against anything. Even the vaccines that are generally talked about as being generally perfect. every day of your life you are always accepting some level of less protection than you could ideally have.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:30
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That applies to every single vaccine you have ever taken. Your measles antibodies are not nearly as high as they peaked when you go the shot. Every vaccine is statistical and for the conditions you are going to encounter. Like after a few years almost 5% of people have reduced measles protection, but we generally don't care because measles is pretty low incidence where most people live so we count that as fine. In a situation where measles was very common we would have more shots to prevent that. It's not binary. There's a good reason why your terrible posting was banned from the previous thread. Surely you understand the difference in category between the extent and time table for waning of COVID vaccines vs measles. At best, we should be thinking of covid vaccines like flu vaccines at this point. Your "full vaccination" is fairly short lived. Perhaps we'll find out a third shot provides longer immunity measured in years rather than months, but we're not there yet. e: Owlofcreamcheese posted:The point is, you aren't fully vaccinated against anything. Even the vaccines that are generally talked about as being generally perfect. every day of your life you are always accepting some level of less protection than you could ideally have. if you're going to be this pedantic, then why don't you push back against anyone ever talking about being fully vaccinated? Strange that your obtuse posting only seems to ever be targeted in one direction!
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Nov 18, 2021 15:32
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The point is, you aren't fully vaccinated against anything. Even the vaccines that are generally talked about as being generally perfect. every day of your life you are always accepting some level of less protection than you could ideally have. This is bad redefinition of terms. Being “fully vaccinated” does not and has never mean that a person has total and complete invulnerability to the targeted pathogen or to the disease it causes. It means that they have completed of the primary course of vaccination and are current on any associated boosters. The immunization schedule of the COVID‐19 vaccines is preliminary, based on the best available knowledge at the time emergency use authorization was granted. It is not set in stone and will be revised, either to an expanded but finite number of shots in a series, or to a booster regimen that continues indefinitely throughout a person’s life.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:38
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Fritz the Horse posted:personally, i get all my pandemic information and advice from the politics communities on the web 1.0 pig poop balls forum Bad idea regarding politics, however so far regarding parsing and interpreting pandemic information it's batting extremely high. it continues to be weird how much this upsets people.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:40
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brugroffil posted:
Because vaccines work, and are good. They give you tremendous protection against severe illness and death in most demographics and age groups. Getting boosters gets most people even more protection and that's cool, but the idea the vaccines are just some stinky garbage that only lasts a few weeks then you become unvaccinated again is not actually a real thing.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:43
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Timely article The definition of 'fully vaccinated' is changing to three Covid-19 doses By Tara John, CNN quote:CNN)You may need up to three Covid-19 vaccine doses to be considered fully vaccinated. If you're 4-6+ months out from a second shot, you should no longer consider yourself "fully vaccinated" in whatever personal risk assessment you may still do regarding your own activities.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:44
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Because vaccines work, and are good. They give you tremendous protection against severe illness and death in most demographics and age groups. Getting boosters gets most people even more protection and that's cool, but the idea the vaccines are just some stinky garbage that only lasts a few weeks then you become unvaccinated again is not actually a real thing. This idea has not been posted anywhere here. Again there's a reason why your stinky garbage posting was banned from the last thread, because you can't help lying about what others are saying.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:45
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Fun fact: the protection of tetanus shots may last significantly more than ten years, it’s just not in the interests of public health to explore that limit, so we don’t. Everyone gets a shot every ten years, and again after possible exposure if more than five years from their last booster. Better safe than sorry.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:48
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I would like to point out that this conversation is happening because Biden slow-walked and gate-kept the boosters which is going to result in tens to hundreds of thousands of additional unnecessary deaths. They also irrationally demonized people trying to get boosters months ago.
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Nov 18, 2021 15:58
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Potato Salad posted:Bad idea regarding politics, however so far regarding parsing and interpreting pandemic information it's batting extremely high. Folks keep saying this without any evidence what so ever, while continuing to poo poo all over the folks who are actually doing the hard work. So yeah, it’s not weird at all if you actually think about it. Stereotype posted:I would like to point out that this conversation is happening because Biden slow-walked and gate-kept the boosters which is going to result in tens to hundreds of thousands of additional unnecessary deaths. They also irrationally demonized people trying to get boosters months ago. Bullshit. Again, no evidence for your claim whatsoever, no specifics that can be falsified, just random rants that the rest of us are expected to take for serious discussion. But it’s easy to make things up to complain about when you aren’t busy trying to deal with a pandemic. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Nov 18, 2021 15:59
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Some folks have been deriding "cavers/doomers/agoraphobics" for more than half a year now, attempting to belittle anyone who has a less than optimistic view of the near and mid term future of COVID. It's rather tiresome for them to be so disastrously and predictably wrong over and over yet never change their tone. e: the first big break for me was when the CDC very stupidly dropped masking in the late spring. It was a easily predicted disaster that was nevertheless supported by some. Those who thought it was a stupid move and said so at the time were belittled as doomers just looking for excuses to stay inside. Rather tedious. e2: kotex I think you're correct brugroffil fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Nov 18, 2021 16:03
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as I recall it was Biden who was pushing heavily for universal boosters and FDA/CDC pumping the brakes on it. their response to the pandemic has in general been pretty bad.
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Nov 18, 2021 16:05
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Solkanar512 posted:Bullshit. Again, no evidence for your claim whatsoever, no specifics that can be falsified, just random rants that the rest of us are expected to take for serious discussion. lmao are you loving kidding me? They STILL haven’t approved the booster for everyone. The original messaging was that if you are double vaxxed you are completely immune and can’t catch the virus at all. Get out of here with your retcon Biden sycophancy
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brugroffil posted:Some folks have been deriding "cavers/doomers/agoraphobics" for more than half a year now, attempting to belittle anyone who has a less than optimistic view of the near and mid term future of COVID. It's rather tiresome for them to be so disastrously and predictably wrong over and over yet never change their tone. Because they aren't wrong. Vaccine has worked very well. The number of dead people in vaccinated groups are very very very low in most demographics. The demographics that have immunity issues like the elderly and the sick were given boosters quickly. The idea that we are seconds from vaccine collapse just isn't happening.
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Nov 18, 2021 16:07
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a fun but basic fact about the US government: executive branch agencies can in many cases tell the president to gently caress off and there are limited ways in which he can do something about that
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Nov 18, 2021 16:08
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Stereotype posted:The original messaging was that if you are double vaxxed you are completely immune and can’t catch the virus at all.
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Nov 18, 2021 16:09
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Poor president biden. If only the office of the presidency held some sort of power over the executive functions of the federal government. Alas, it does not
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:as I recall it was Biden who was pushing heavily for universal boosters and FDA/CDC pumping the brakes on it. their response to the pandemic has in general been pretty bad. Yeah I hate Biden and the general slow‐roll of boosters as much as the next goon, but Biden was somehow the less bad party here. quote:Biden Promised to Follow the Science. But Sometimes, He Gets Ahead of the Experts.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Because they aren't wrong. Vaccine has worked very well. The number of dead people in vaccinated groups are very very very low in most demographics. The demographics that have immunity issues like the elderly and the sick were given boosters quickly. Why must you continue to lie about what people are actually saying? I guess at least it's a sign you recognize how poo poo your arguments actually are. The people insisting the pandemic was over once they got their second shot were disastrously wrong. They continue to be. That includes the CDC director, unfortunately.
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brugroffil posted:Some folks have been deriding "cavers/doomers/agoraphobics" for more than half a year now, attempting to belittle anyone who has a less than optimistic view of the near and mid term future of COVID. It's rather tiresome for them to be so disastrously and predictably wrong over and over yet never change their tone. Who are these “some folks” and why aren’t you quoting them specifically? You’re just making people up in your head so you don’t have to defend your arguments. And why the gently caress are you still talking about masks?? It was clear in loving March and April of 2020 that there was a massive PPE shortage for medical professionals and first responders and we were still figuring out how this loving disease worked. I’m sorry this is so “tedious” for you, maybe you’d feel better if you bothered to stick your neck out and actually do something about this pandemic instead of whining on a dead forum. Oh, your poor, poor tedium. Maybe a few 18-36 hour shifts in a Covid ward would cure your ennui.
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