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Lib and let die posted:Glenn's right. Bernie's capitulation to and integration into the status quo is more proof of that than anything. This is astoundingly dumb. The capitalist figureheads of contemporary American fascism - trump, bannon, carlson - are not socialists, or allies in the dissolution of US empire, or interested in ceding capital to workers. quote:Objectively, a promise to "do the healthcare for everyone" (what Trump was really trying to say, I doubt we'll ever know, but the general interpretation of this has been a massive expansion of Medicare/aid with the unspoken caveat of "once we figure out how to apply it to only the right people") is a promise to do a left-wing, borderline socialist thing, so Glenn Is Right in his assessment that Trump was voicing a socialist thought paradigm, even if it wasn't coming from an objectively left agenda. I am going to make this bullshit into an NFT and then sell it to you. 
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Glenn is garbage but so are his detractors so it’s impossible to say who is right. The interesting thing Glenn hints at is that a populist economic but conservative socially presidential candidate would sweep in the US, especially if they actually enacted what they claimed to support. I have no doubt in my mind if Trump actually delivered racist Medicare for all and didn’t gently caress up covid he would still be president.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Glenn is garbage but so are his detractors so it’s impossible to say who is right. Oh come on. Both siding Glenn Greenwald, that's a loving hot take.
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Lib and let die posted:Objectively, a promise to "do the healthcare for everyone" (what Trump was really trying to say, I doubt we'll ever know, but the general interpretation of this has been a massive expansion of Medicare/aid with the unspoken caveat of "once we figure out how to apply it to only the right people") is a promise to do a left-wing, borderline socialist thing, so Glenn Is Right in his assessment that Trump was voicing a socialist thought paradigm How did you get to that conclusion from this? quote:We're going to make monumental steps to improve the efficiency and quality of healthcare in the United States. It's all gonna be better and cheaper than Obamacare, so everyone who wants it can buy it. And we're gonna do it all private. No government control, no government deciding benefits, and no taxes. It's gonna be beautiful. Trump wants insurance for everybody. The way to make health insurance available to everyone is to lower the cost of health insurance, and that is what we are going to do. Get the government and taxes out and things run beautifully. You ever go to UPS and then a Post Office? Big difference. The only way the government should be involved, they have to make sure those companies are financially strong, so that if they have catastrophic events or they have a miscalculation, they have plenty of money. Other than that, it's private.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:This so juvenile and short sighted. If you think people are human trash for voting Republican and wouldn't speak with them, who are you going to associate with? Democrats aide and abet Republicans, so by that logic, we shouldn't talk to either Republicans or Democrats. Adults who are rational don't ostracize their relatives for "voting wrong." That is such a liberal point of view. No, they're banned from Thanksgiving and Christmas because I don't surround myself with pieces of rat poo poo who would commit such human garbage actions as vote for Republicans. Having nobody to talk to? Having no family ties? Who do you hang with, exactly? Pretending that voting GOP is just "voting wrong" is the exact kind poo poo liberals use to absolve people of the responsibilities of their actions that allows the status quo to continue. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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skylined! posted:This is astoundingly dumb. The capitalist figureheads of contemporary American fascism - trump, bannon, carlson - are not socialists, or allies in the dissolution of US empire, or interested in ceding capital to workers. ok, maybe I should try a diagram 
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Glenn is garbage but so are his detractors so it’s impossible to say who is right. The weird thing keeping this from happening, I suppose, is that it takes so much money to run for office that some level of selling out to capital always ends up happening and prevents the mass social welfare + racism combination. Even the hardcore Trumpists, like Trump, seem to view stuff like better healthcare as something they can just say happened as opposed to actually making it happen. At some point, you'd think another Huey Long would pop up but it seems like "true freedom=market economics" is so fully enmeshed in the American conservative mindset that deadliest of combinations seems unlikely to happen. Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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DeathChicken posted:I mean the idea wasn't for the storming of the Capitol to *do* anything except disrupt the proceedings long enough for Pence to throw out the certification. Backed up by Trump as always saying the quiet part loud and freaking out on Pence for taking Dan Quayle's advice instead of his (what an odd historical footnote that is) There is heaps of data showing that the explicitly stated intent for being there was to, at minimum, overturn the election, and often to murder politicians. Bring uncoordinated fuckups doesn't change what they openly said they meant to do.
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Lib and let die posted:ok, maybe I should try a diagram The president that massively expanded the drone program, the news man who supported him, the nazi who drummed up support for him and the voters that cheered him on do not in fact give a single poo poo about drawing down US forces abroad or doing a single thing to counter US imperialism because it would materially effect their comfortable lives. 'America First' is entirely about the continued expansion of the American imperial project to reinforce American fascism domestically. They are not socialists, they do not participate in any socialist project, they do not fight for anyone but other capitalists, they do not represent any leftist movement and they are not allies in fighting for any future that incorporates any ideal beyond suburban fascism. It is entirely rhetoric that glenn, for whatever reason, has bought into and disseminated, and you have fallen for as well. Identifying with that rhetoric as if it was sincere is actually a mark of being *profoundly ignorant or malicious*, not some sort of leftist intellectual.
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Funnily enough despite liberals wanting them severely punished and conservatives insisting that they are, everything I've seen looks like the 1/6 people are getting very strong legal representation.
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skylined! posted:The president that massively expanded the drone program, the news man who supported him, the nazi who drummed up support for him and the voters that cheered him on do not in fact give a single poo poo about drawing down US forces abroad or doing a single thing to counter US imperialism because it would materially effect their comfortable lives. They are not socialists, they do not participate in any socialist project, they do not fight for anyone but other capitalists, they do not represent any leftist movement and they are not allies in fighting for any future that incorporates any ideal beyond suburban fascism. he promised people healthcare. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021 quote:‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’ This is a further left-wing proposal than what we are getting from the Democrats today. This is objective fact. We are not talking about the actions he took, we are talking about his rhetoric - which is exactly what Glenn is talking about in the original quote you provided. You are moving the goalposts. Do better. quote:‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’: Again, the left wants to prevent cuts to (and expand) medicare. This is, his lack-of-delivery notwithstanding, a left-wing ideal. You are conflating rhetoric with action. Do better. Should I continue pointing out the differences in rhetoric and action, or are you able to see the pattern here and admit that when Glenn says right wing figures say left wing things, he's correct?
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Yes, I'm mainly just responding to the question of what they even planned to do once they were in the Capitol, and the weird idea that because part A didn't have a plan besides running distraction for part B then Part A can't be labeled a coup. They clearly were, even if they weren't the important part of it.
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The entire point of being in the capitol was to interrupt the certification of biden's victory in order to prevent the peaceful transfer of power seems pretty simple
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Phobic Nest posted:I kinda want to peek into the alternative universes where one of the near misses didn't go so well, perhaps Pence got murdered, and see the hot takes in this thread then. Trump is still president after congress unanimously voted to count Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Michigan for him in order to reach across the aisle and end the violence, in exchange for being allowed to make a speech that the 2020 presidential election was a moral Democratic victory because they went low and we went high, and we also got a pinky promise that the 2020 gerrymander would eliminate less than 5 Democratic seats. The House is embroiled in a fierce debate about whether to censure Lauren Boebert for displaying Pence's skull on her desk, some say she has gone too far and there must be consequences and there needs to be an opportunity for our Republican friends to distance themselves from her, while others worry that such a harsh step will hurt Democratic attempts to win over independents in the midterms with a message of healing and bipartisanship. The Senate meanwhile is deadlocked over the confirmation vote for recently pardoned vice presidential nominee Rittenhouse, with the looney left objecting it's unconstitutional because of his age and didn't he murder some people. Cooler heads are pointing to the Washington Post's award of 5 Pinocchios to the murder claim because he was pardoned before the trial and therefore never technically found guilty of anything, and the wise argument, which is expected to.prevail, is that because Rittenhouse was made an honorary Kenosha police lieutenant we cannot afford to look anti-cop or associate the Democratic brand with the "defund the police" movement at this critical juncture with the party looking to win back the Northern VA suburbs in 2022 VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Somebody needs to tell Glenn this. Oh hey yeah, that's fascist as poo poo Jesus I thought all the Greenwald stans had finally given up
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Lib and let die posted:he promised people healthcare. He quite famously made a lot of broad promises in his campaign and then never released even a *basic plan* for healthcare. It was dropped entirely after the failed vote to kill obamacare. Bernie released a comprehensive plan to cover all Americans during the primaries, which you and glenn both ignore for...reasons...and the argument is that trump? offered more sincere socialist-style rhetoric? quote:This is a further left-wing proposal than what we are getting from the Democrats today. This is objective fact. We are not talking about the actions he took, we are talking about his rhetoric - which is exactly what Glenn is talking about in the original quote you provided. You are moving the goalposts. Do better. These aren't sincere proposals, they are literally quotes from campaign rallies, interviews and twitter. Do better. quote:Again, the left wants to prevent (and expand) medicare. This is, his lack-of-delivery notwithstanding, a left-wing ideal. You are conflating rhetoric with action. Do better. This isn't glenn's argument, though. Glenn calls the arbiters of American-style fascism socialists. Because he caveats that about trump's rhetoric specifically is so worthlessly pedantic its reference is obviously only useful in obfuscating an argument so you can feel like you won something. I understand the obsession with wanting to own the libs but it's quite frankly unproductive, and for you personally seems to be taking you to a pretty dark place.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Ahh yes but did you consider that learning that something is actually being done undermines my argument that the Democrats aren't doing anything even if some consider it an anemic response to a bigger threat or just a bunch of regular folks on a tour that went bad because of the Democrats. In reality, the only people with agency are the Democrats and ultimately this is completely their fault. I don't trust that they're actually investigating who this guy might have been working with. They'll go after him only. My rationale for this is the near total media silence on this guy. Maybe I'm wrong and will find that out in a few years but I doubt it
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The entire point of being in the capitol was to interrupt the certification of biden's victory in order to prevent the peaceful transfer of power Which they were succeeding in doing, initially. Both chambers of Congress were evacuated, the Capitol was in disarray. If the insurrectionists had had better organization and follow-through they may have held the Capitol for days. The minimization of an attempted coup is definitely one of the things that has pulled the wool from my eyes regarding some folks who claim to be leftists. The blackpilling is quite real, and dangerous.
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DarkCrawler posted:No, they're banned from Thanksgiving and Christmas because I don't surround myself with pieces of rat poo poo who would commit such human garbage actions as vote for Republicans. Having nobody to talk to? Having no family ties? Who do you hang with, exactly? My entire family votes Republican. I am not going to stop seeing them because they *gasp* voted the wrong way. By your logic I should just hangout with my one cousin who votes for Democrats. But Democrats aide, abet, and support and are friends with Republicans. Who exactly, are we supposed to hangout with? Is voting for a Democrat "human garbage actions" too? Or are they good people? Because in no way shape or form do I believe people are "good" because they vote for a Democrat, nor do I think they are "bad" because they vote for a Republican. What a twisted way to view society you have.
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Pretty sure that in here most know the 6th was bad and could have been worse, and we can call Republican voters actual nazis and proud white supremacists, fine whatever unfortunately pretty much accurate. However in terms of messaging and building a labor movement, that isn't going to work. If so much of our country is so bad, if our systems can neither change nor do right by the people (or the future of the world), and if we can't or won't do anything about it, we have earned our doom. We can't kill these people or stop them from voting. Yes if somebody is proudly pro trump and unwilling or unable to discuss the issues we all face, loving write that rear end in a top hat off and don't give them the time of day. If they are open nazis or white supremacists, we can't even openly discuss the appropriate reaction.. But it sure seems to me the top down directives are that we fight viciously with each other so that we can never be effective, it's a pretty old story and just because it's been done so well doesn't mean we can let them get away with it. Power to the people through whatever manipulative machiavelian means. If people show that racism sexism and anti-semetism are their priorities even in the face of actual positive universal change (we need the masses to get there), I guess civil war it is. While we're doing that, the powerful and privileged parachute away to await the global consequences of our trajectory in comfort. Bad end. No justice. No sustainability. God it's like the loving purge, your neighbor might be a dumb piece of poo poo but they aren't truly responsible for our plight, energy would better be expended focusing on those with power. I'm not trying to coddle ignoran shitheads, I'm trying to save the loving world.
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This talk of cutting people out of one's life reminds me that my in-laws live in a suburb outside of a very "blue" city and it's chock full of 'We support the police!" signs on every other yard. I think there are a lot of people who work at police departments in neighboring counties or something like that. It's very lax on mask wearing too and I don't even want to think about how half-assed vaccine mandate enforcement might be. There are thin blue line stickers on a lot of car rear windows too. I'm glad I don't live there because I'd feel pretty isolated.
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VitalSigns posted:Trump is still president after congress unanimously voted to count Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Michigan for him in order to reach across the aisle and end the violence, in exchange for being allowed to make a speech that the 2020 presidential election was a moral Democratic victory because they went low and we went high, and we also got a pinky promise that the 2020 gerrymander would eliminate less than 5 Democratic seats. Interesting new genre of political erotica you are developing here but mentioning Rittenhouse really ruins the immersion; he's too young for the VP slot.
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I think cutting someone out of your life because of how they vote is too far, it's more about why they voted for them. Many people are dipshits about politics and voted for Trump because they didn't grasp how bad he was(more the first time). Even then most of us voted for Obama(also the first time) if we were of age, should we be shunned from dinners because of all the people killed by drone strikes.
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How are u posted:I still can't wrap my head around how Glenn is anti-fascist at home but pro-fascist everywhere else. It's loving bizarre and wild. It's not that complicated, he is gay and fascists at home threaten him personally so it isn't worth the money that journalists can rake in by becoming fascist mouthpieces. Fascists abroad do not threaten him personally and are just as free with money as the local ones.
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skylined! posted:He quite famously made a lot of broad promises in his campaign and then never released even a *basic plan* for healthcare. It was dropped entirely after the failed vote to kill obamacare. Bernie released a comprehensive plan to cover all Americans during the primaries, which you and glenn both ignore for...reasons...and the argument is that trump? offered more sincere socialist-style rhetoric? I would argue that no campaign promise is ever truly sincere - unless that promise is something objectively evil (like building the wall, for example). Any promise made on the campaign trail is no more than that - campaign rhetoric, and neither you, I, nor Glenn disagree on that. Glenn frequently criticizes Democrats for doing the same, which is where I suppose most of the animosity for Glenn comes from - nobody likes looking in the mirror when the reflection is monstrous. skylined! posted:This isn't glenn's argument, though. Glenn calls the arbiters of American-style fascism socialists. Because he caveats that about trump's rhetoric specifically is so worthlessly pedantic its reference is obviously only useful in obfuscating an argument so you can feel like you won something. Once again, I must point out, that you are making the critical mistake of believing Glenn is being sincere in calling right wing figureheads socialist. They express frustrations that overlap with socialist criticism and Glenn (and I!) think it's funny to say that. If it doesn't piss off the conservative you're engaging with, it's going to piss off the liberal observer, and it opens an avenue for dialog where one might not necessarily exist without someone like Glenn to make that overlap. But again, this goes against the liberal aesthetic. It's really quite a stunning performance Glenn puts on - he causes the worst kinds of system-bred liberals to come out of the woodwork and engage in some weird, aggressive shadowboxing with the mirror being held up to their own face to reveal hat it's not about being anti-war, or about being pro-medicare, it's about having the right social group supporting anti-war measures or pro-medicare measures. if liberals cared about the issues, they wouldn't be figuratively checking voter registration cards at the figurative protest's figurative front door.
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DeathChicken posted:Yes, I'm mainly just responding to the question of what they even planned to do once they were in the Capitol, and the weird idea that because part A didn't have a plan besides running distraction for part B then Part A can't be labeled a coup. They clearly were, even if they weren't the important part of it. Depends on the subgroup. The simple Trumper cannon fodder didn't have a plan and just rode the wave, but some groups plainly declared intent to destroy ballots, and others plainly declared intent to murder politicians. ETA: like dude we literally have footage of a gaggle of them on the house floor tearing through poo poo looking for the ballots. Inb4 "but the ballots don't even actually matter  " or some poo poo. Again, the plan being fundamentally flawed doesn't change the fact that they weren't "just tourists". We have plenty of evidence showing that they went there with clear intent to overturn the election and/or kill people.
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Lib and let die posted:if liberals cared about the issues, they wouldn't be figuratively checking voter registration cards at the figurative protest's figurative front door. this is figurative horse poo poo. VitalSigns posted:It's not that complicated, he is gay and fascists at home threaten him personally so it isn't worth the money that journalists can rake in by becoming fascist mouthpieces. This is the correct take in my view. He's a loud reactionary grifter that is useful because he makes everyone so angry. He's a broken clock that people can use as a cudgel, and he's more than happy to provide fodder for it and encourage you to subscript to his substack.
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Lib and let die posted:I would argue that no campaign promise is ever truly sincere - unless that promise is something objectively evil (like building the wall, for example). Any promise made on the campaign trail is no more than that - campaign rhetoric, and neither you, I, nor Glenn disagree on that. Glenn frequently criticizes Democrats for doing the same, which is where I suppose most of the animosity for Glenn comes from - nobody likes looking in the mirror when the reflection is monstrous. You've developed a parasocial relationship with a grifter who has given no indication that what you are reading into his words aligns with what he means, while disregarding his worst tendencies to align with out-in-the-open fascists. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This is the correct take in my view. He's a loud reactionary grifter that is useful because he makes everyone so angry. He's a broken clock that people can use as a cudgel, and he's more than happy to provide fodder for it and encourage you to subscript to his substack. It's this.
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While it is very funny that Glenn trollishly points out Republicans cynically winning easily on promising popular left-wing ideas that Democrats insist are "too far left" to run on themselves, considering he's just now decided that vaccine mandates (which have existed for 50 years) are a new tyranny now that a Democrat is in charge and more covid death would make Democrats look bad, he may not actually be coming from a place of good intentions
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Decon posted:Depends on the subgroup. The simple Trumper cannon fodder didn't have a plan and just rode the wave, but some groups plainly declared intent to destroy ballots, and others plainly declared intent to murder politicians. Wait, you are saying you believe AOC when she said she was *this* close to being captured and murdered by the mob of "chuds" who had somehow gotten into the Capitol? Come on now. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:this is figurative horse poo poo. Well I'm certainly glad I put in the effort in D&D today! This was a positive interaction that makes me want to return and discuss politics. You're actually one of the best posters here, an even better poster than a lot of the self-professed best posters on the forum. And I said it, so I must sincerely believe it! Look, there's ultimately an unbridgeable divide here: I don't care if someone shows up for an anti-war protest because they heard about it on Tucker, or if they show up to an anti-war protest because they heard about it on Maddow. I just want bodies protesting. Other people, apparently, do - and they're very clearly dug into this idea of purity testing support for one policy based on external factors to that policy. I wish those types the best of luck, because by my estimation...they're gonna need a lot of it.
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socialsecurity posted:I think cutting someone out of your life because of how they vote is too far, it's more about why they voted for them. Many people are dipshits about politics and voted for Trump because they didn't grasp how bad he was(more the first time). Even then most of us voted for Obama(also the first time) if we were of age, should we be shunned from dinners because of all the people killed by drone strikes. Yeah my personal view is that if you voted Trump in 16 you may be redeemable, but if you voted for him twice you're just a piece of poo poo fascist.
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socialsecurity posted:I think cutting someone out of your life because of how they vote is too far, it's more about why they voted for them. Many people are dipshits about politics and voted for Trump because they didn't grasp how bad he was(more the first time). Even then most of us voted for Obama(also the first time) if we were of age, should we be shunned from dinners because of all the people killed by drone strikes. To be fair, McCain sang this little ditty during the 2008 election campaign, which at least indicated to me that he was not the more peaceful option. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris This reminds me of how different history might have been if Carter hadn't listened to Kissinger and stuck with his gut instinct of not letting the Shah go to America. So many stupid things can be traced back to the humiliation of the hostage crisis.
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Glenn also had some minor issues with women and trans people before, but it was usually a statement that made you go "oof" once every 3 months. Something seems to have driven him up the wall about trans issues especially recently and he is pretty hateful about it. Part of it might be that he doesn't have editors anymore and going ham with his more extreme views gets clicks. That (plus when he switched to a subscription model) was when I mostly felt like I needed to stop reading him. Which is kind of a bummer, because I started reading him in 2006 and, except for his very bad takes on immigration, found him entertaining and informative for most of the Bush and Obama eras.
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Somaen posted:Hey talking points from Twitter people that want you to ally with nazis for free healthcare and have no other leftist opinions yeah, it works. Almost as if people are desperate. If only something could be done, to make people less desperate. Ah well I guess the poor will have to keep dying because it would be wrong to ally with bad people who will never the less give you what you need.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:My entire family votes Republican. I am not going to stop seeing them because they *gasp* voted the wrong way. You keep pretending that it's just about voting one way or other, and there is no effect on voting or implications about a person one can make based on it, or moral responsibility for using your vote to undersign a billion moral failures. This is a psychological coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the fact that your family are Republicans while not having to face what that exactly says about them. It is understandable but the rest of us don't have to engage in the idiotic fabrication of voting not mattering and "just politics" to make you feel better. quote:By your logic I should just hangout with my one cousin who votes for Democrats. I mean I would suggest making friends who are not abject moral black holes actively working to make United States and the world as awful as possible. quote:But Democrats aide, abet, and support and are friends with Republicans. Who exactly, are we supposed to hangout with? You're aiding, abetting, supporting and are friends with Republicans. All I am saying, nothing will change and blaming Democrats for doing the same things as you do is as fruitless as hoping anything will change in America as long as all of you keep forgiving and forgetting fascism. quote:Is voting for a Democrat "human garbage actions" too? Or are they good people? Because in no way shape or form do I believe people are "good" because they vote for a Democrat, nor do I think they are "bad" because they vote for a Republican. What a twisted way to view society you have. Voting for Democrats is the absolutely most neutral or barely positive (depending on where you vote) concrete action with effect any unfortunate person can squeeze out of a system and society where actual fascism and support of fascism carry no personal, political, or societal consequences except for the dumb poor and even then only if they are literally "storm the Congress" level of dumb. Society is built from bottom down. You think my political representatives would hang around with fascists? Vote with them? No, they won't. Because their voters won't either. As long as the Democrats get the message that forgive and forget is ok, forgive and forget is ok. Send them another. Check out how the left that get something done treat their absolute ideological enemies and you won't find lovely apolitical Christmases where uncle Jewish Space Lasers or Grandma Still Uses the N-Word sing lovely songs with the rest. But you'll find progress. More of it then what America gets at present, anyway. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Lib and let die posted:Glenn's right. Bernie's capitulation to and integration into the status quo is more proof of that than anything. Its cracking me up that you're saying stuff like this while also defending the gap between fascist rhetoric sounding leftist and fascist action being the opposite of leftist. Trump said we should be more isolationist, that's so far left, who cares that he bombed Syria MORE than Obama and held press conferences bragging about dropping the biggest bomb of all time? But Bernie? loving false-flag fake lefty, really went mask off by pushing to maintain Medicare Benefits Expansion within a Senatorial Compromise rather than just voting no the second paid leave got cut to 4 weeks. Only outcomes matter for Democrats and only rhetoric matters for Republicans because we hate Democrats more for being disappointing and weak than we hate people who consider our entire political philosophy illegitimate and our lives forfeit for holding it. Sure, why not?
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Sanguinia posted:Its cracking me up that you're saying stuff like this while also defending the gap between fascist rhetoric sounding leftist and fascist action being the opposite of leftist. Trump said we should be more isolationist, that's so far left, who cares that he bombed Syria MORE than Obama and held press conferences bragging about dropping the biggest bomb of all time? But Bernie? loving false-flag fake lefty, really went mask off by pushing to maintain Medicare Benefits Expansion within a Senatorial Compromise rather than just voting no the second paid leave got cut to 4 weeks. Nah, I think Bernie genuinely thinks he's a lefty, and he's been beaten down into submission by a system that has wholly rejected his politics from top to bottom. He's a doddering old man who's outlived his service to the american left, and he should be at peace with the progress he's made when he passes on. he did good. go, retire, be with your family in your golden days - you've genuinely earned it, bernie. then he gave up, and it's heartbreaking. he's got all the power a manchin or a sinema has, and refuses to use it. bye!
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