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Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Be a good friend. Tell him he doesn't want to know and that he'll be far happier living in ignorance. This isn't something where we need to inform people and raise awareness anymore. You're not doing this guy a favour by ruining any sense of hope he may have for the future.

Tell them the climate went to live on a nice big farm upstate.

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Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I told my friend to read the IPCC reports, good call. Cheers all

Mayor Dave posted:

hmm i've gotten mileage from the open source textbook from Oregon State: https://open.oregonstate.education/climatechange/. It focuses pretty heavily on the science of climate change; just make sure that he skips the last few chapters because they read like D&D posts


Trabisnikof posted:

the IPCC reports, especially the Summary for Policy Makers are honestly pretty readable if there's a desire to read them.

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_SPM_final.pdf

And then if there's a specific area that your friend wants to learn more about, well they can then choose to dive into more specifics in the full report

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/#FullReport

This is perfect, thank you!

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 02:35 on Nov 19, 2021

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Watching a movie called Finch and I'm pretty sure it's just about Rime.

Last working windmill in the climate desert wasteland.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Be a good friend. Tell him he doesn't want to know and that he'll be far happier living in ignorance. This isn't something where we need to inform people and raise awareness anymore. You're not doing this guy a favour by ruining any sense of hope he may have for the future.

Take an ethics class! It's malpractice to not disclose a terminal illness.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

mod sassinator posted:

fun slice of life about what's going on in BC from the guy that likes to camp in storm drains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5AahsZNNY

apparently a lot of internet service and cell service is spotty from cut fiberoptic lines. grocery stores are wiped clean

why is he in a hotel. this seems like a wasted stealth camping opportunity. he could be squirreling away content for the next year

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Take an ethics class! It's malpractice to not disclose a terminal illness.

You're not keeping a secret from him. I think it's more ethical to fully prepare him for what he's going to discover if he goes down this path and then let him decide whether or not really wants to go down it.

I go out of my way not to talk about any of this stuff with people in my life unless they have already gone and torn that bandaid off themselves. I just don't see what purpose it serves other than to crush someone's spirit. The world is going to do that anyway at some point sooner rather than later. Let them enjoy the time between now and then.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Rutibex posted:

why is he in a hotel. this seems like a wasted stealth camping opportunity. he could be squirreling away content for the next year

camping in a drain pipe during the worst flooding in centuries seems like a really dumb thing to do lol

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

mod sassinator posted:

fun slice of life about what's going on in BC from the guy that likes to camp in storm drains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5AahsZNNY

apparently a lot of internet service and cell service is spotty from cut fiberoptic lines. grocery stores are wiped clean

holy poo poo. I love this guy, hope he gets out ok.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



We're all doomed to get destroyed by forces beyond our control, like Captain Ahab. And maybe, like him, from hell's heart we can stab at one of those forces. It might not do much, but it feels good.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Wakko posted:

the most backward take. humanity stands at the cusp of realizing its grand destiny. tens of thousands of years of consumption have brought us here, and you whine? imagine a tuberculosis bacterium mewling like this as the host's lungs start to fill with fluid. generations have stood on the shoulders of one another, all working together to bring us here. its is only now, at the great dying, that we realize true meaning.

Plastics.

Lost Time
Sep 28, 2012

All necessities, provided. All anxieties, tranquilized. All boredom, amused.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Steely Dad posted:

Realizing that Doctor Strangelove Terminator was an inspiring story of humanity retproactively averting climate collapse

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Cabbages and Kings posted:

mild effortpost

Prior discussion about sci-fi's contemplation of doom gave me a mild :crackping: about some childhood books

The Triopods was a YA sci-fi series by a guy named John Christopher. Without knowing much else about it, I picked up his first book, The Death of Grass in 2014. It's an environmental disaster book, and I and a coworker I foisted it on both found it pretty :dogstare: in terms of how unflinching it is and how quickly everything disintegrates. Without giving a spoiler of more than the basic setup, many staple foods vanish because of a blight and the world does not take it seriously until it's way too late and the UK decides to respond by locking down most urban areas and then nuking them, in an effort to preserve the much more limited rural population in what will be an almost impossible to feed world. The book opens on this note and it mostly goes downhill from there.

What hit me in a flash today is that in the Tripods books, mankind has been taken over by aliens who build their own weird cities which are incompatible with our atmosphere, but otherwise control the population by fitting them with permanent hats that prevent certain kinds of thinking, and allow people to live in small towns in the woods outside the remains of the empty bombed out cities in a basically 1800s agrarian lifestyle, in sufficient population to feed the workforce necessary to maintain their cities, which have sulfuric gas or something dominantly and cause the human workers to die pretty quick.

Seems to me the lifestyle portrayed is pretty utopian, though. I mean, aside from the giant aliens literally thought policing you and periodically demanding tribute slaves to come work in their cities. A farming society with a deep deep pathological distrust of anything electricity related, and some kinds of artificial or environmental constraints imposed on population.

The tripods books are good YA fodder, but The Death of Grass is a strong rec for this thread; it's decades old, it's not concerned with the specifics of co2 change, it's very dark and some things about it pass the sniff test of human behavior for me, and it's readable in an afternoon pretty easily.

Wow thanks.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Rime posted:

My stark and grim prognostications on how civilization is going to play out over the next few decades were definitely strongly influenced by encountering both No Blade of Grass and Threads fairly young. I wonder why British apocalypse fiction is decidedly less utopian in outcome than American. :thunk:

:same: but Brunner's The Sheep Look Up and as a result of that, Silent Spring.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Car Hater posted:

Uncle Teddy's one weird trick for realizing that goals are the problem



E; like if you think that his intent was to save society or that he was unaware of class antagonisms idk what to make of you. It's clear that he considers class secondary to technology and ease of living (energy access) in determining behavior, that he considers it inevitable, and that he knows he's an ape in a cage flinging his own poo poo out of lack of better options.

And that we need to kill the libs. He was quite clear about that. It's all the fault of the libs.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Marenghi posted:

I was being tongue in cheek. I know his class analysis is lacking, I did read something he said about effeminate socialists being as bad as the fascists. Did not know he was turbo-racist.

Other than that didn't know much about him, except he was an intelligent mathematician who got drugged by the CIA, tried live in a woods but kept get pushed away by logging camps and after the nth time he moved he decided to fight back by sending mailbombs.

To distant college professors iirc

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

i reckon' that should be fixed in a couple days

And we can send the residents to Disney World while we do it.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Something I was noticing over the past couple of weeks before this, which has exploded into an inferno since these storms broke BC, is the smooth-brained lunatics developing an entirely new messaging by remixing a couple old conspiracies into the "Great Reset" nonsense. Climate denialism is old-hat, natural disasters being part of a grand Q-esque conspiracy to turn the world into an authoritarian nightmare state? That's the hot poo poo:

https://twitter.com/MTBRiderSS/status/1461393229719371776

https://twitter.com/chadlattanzio/status/1461317344979042312

https://twitter.com/RealM1SC/status/1461322287525687296

https://twitter.com/niki_jay_1/status/1461396742579101703

https://twitter.com/HansensHemp/status/1461332828654759940

https://twitter.com/emeraldtyger/status/1461412739687927810

This is going to be the next stage in the messaging, it lays the groundwork for violent resistance to climate activists, and it is going to be grassroots in nature. It is no longer just that climate change doesn't exist, now the line is that any disastrous impacts are either outright faked or were orchestrated by nefarious schemes for a nebulous authoritarian agenda. Because to admit otherwise would be to face reality, and these people do not and cannot live in reality.

They are everywhere, they are your neighbors and potentially your friends, they are gathering more and more scared and desperate people into the cult every day, this process of increasing mental hoop-jumping is short circuiting their empathy and rationality, and they often have a lot of guns.

And that should scare you, way more than the megastorms.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

take_it_slow posted:

This! Look up “direct drive” or “daylight drive” solar. Doxxing myself a bit here, but the farm I’m living on (still not a cult) is extensively employing this tech. We have a dc well pump that pulls water up 250 ft, moves it 1/4 mile to the house, and pressurizes our tanks to 60+ psi, at 10 gpm, on 180 volts of solar.
Edit: it’s a gruñidos sqflex; it’s been going strong for five years now. Obviously, there are a lot of different pumps depending on your specific situation, but I just want to emphasize that this is way more important and worth investing in than a battery system, and will work just fine without one. PM me if you’ve got any questions.

Bookmarking this.

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



any real climate activist already has 1 gun and 1 bullet so to win the chud war we just gotta up the bullet count

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Complications posted:

When you consider all of the factors, Washington D. C. is in an excellent position to withstand climate change with only minimal action...

The suburbs, maybe - the city itself is still vulnerable to sea level rise. Old Town Alexandria floods *all the loving time* and basement drains in the District like to back up and gush sewage every so often.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Raine posted:

any real climate activist already has 1 gun and 1 bullet so to win the chud war we just gotta up the bullet count

gently caress that, I want to see how horrible it all gets. I have the rest of Time to contemplate nothingness

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
At least we all get to post together, right? :unsmith:

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


Rime posted:

Something I was noticing over the past couple of weeks before this, which has exploded into an inferno since these storms broke BC, is the smooth-brained lunatics developing an entirely new messaging by remixing a couple old conspiracies into the "Great Reset" nonsense. Climate denialism is old-hat, natural disasters being part of a grand Q-esque conspiracy to turn the world into an authoritarian nightmare state? That's the hot poo poo:

https://twitter.com/MTBRiderSS/status/1461393229719371776

https://twitter.com/chadlattanzio/status/1461317344979042312

https://twitter.com/RealM1SC/status/1461322287525687296

https://twitter.com/niki_jay_1/status/1461396742579101703

https://twitter.com/HansensHemp/status/1461332828654759940

https://twitter.com/emeraldtyger/status/1461412739687927810

This is going to be the next stage in the messaging, it lays the groundwork for violent resistance to climate activists, and it is going to be grassroots in nature. It is no longer just that climate change doesn't exist, now the line is that any disastrous impacts are either outright faked or were orchestrated by nefarious schemes for a nebulous authoritarian agenda. Because to admit otherwise would be to face reality, and these people do not and cannot live in reality.

They are everywhere, they are your neighbors and potentially your friends, they are gathering more and more scared and desperate people into the cult every day, this process of increasing mental hoop-jumping is short circuiting their empathy and rationality, and they often have a lot of guns.

And that should scare you, way more than the megastorms.

every once in awhile, a post in this thread manages to be chilling despite my thoroughly crack-pinged brain. today, this is that post

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


A friend got really into Kenshi over the summer and really wanted me to try it. I lasted like maybe a hour, the absolute bleakness of that game just reminded me far too much of what our climate future would be like and I'd rather experience it for myself than a facsimile of it

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

it does taste funny but no way does it taste bad enough to necessitate more additives or avoiding iodine altogether.

I wasn't bothered by the flavor so much as it turning color when you pour it in an aluminum container.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Hmm...

https://twitter.com/fox_sheldon/status/1461464712667930631

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Rime posted:

Something I was noticing over the past couple of weeks before this, which has exploded into an inferno since these storms broke BC, is the smooth-brained lunatics developing an entirely new messaging by remixing a couple old conspiracies into the "Great Reset" nonsense. Climate denialism is old-hat, natural disasters being part of a grand Q-esque conspiracy to turn the world into an authoritarian nightmare state? That's the hot poo poo:

https://twitter.com/MTBRiderSS/status/1461393229719371776

https://twitter.com/chadlattanzio/status/1461317344979042312

https://twitter.com/RealM1SC/status/1461322287525687296

https://twitter.com/niki_jay_1/status/1461396742579101703

https://twitter.com/HansensHemp/status/1461332828654759940

https://twitter.com/emeraldtyger/status/1461412739687927810

This is going to be the next stage in the messaging, it lays the groundwork for violent resistance to climate activists, and it is going to be grassroots in nature. It is no longer just that climate change doesn't exist, now the line is that any disastrous impacts are either outright faked or were orchestrated by nefarious schemes for a nebulous authoritarian agenda. Because to admit otherwise would be to face reality, and these people do not and cannot live in reality.

They are everywhere, they are your neighbors and potentially your friends, they are gathering more and more scared and desperate people into the cult every day, this process of increasing mental hoop-jumping is short circuiting their empathy and rationality, and they often have a lot of guns.

And that should scare you, way more than the megastorms.

The really worrisome part of the QAnon movement is that it encourages people to view the world as one giant Da Vinci code. It's addictive, it encourages the community to become more tightly knit, and since it's an amalgam of all the big conspiracy theories anyone who believes in one is susceptible to getting sucked in. Once this stuff gets into the social media dopamine loop it's nearly impossible to dislodge, and because the people who are discussing the theory tend to be active in related spaces their attitude of anger and paranoia spreads to people who haven't even heard of Q. These people are going to continue 'baking' reality and getting increasingly violent and we really don't have a way to stop it.

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


for fucks sake will people stop trying to drive through flood water? jesus christ

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Lacrosse posted:

for fucks sake will people stop trying to drive through flood water? jesus christ

But what if I can make it across

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

Mayor Dave posted:

The really worrisome part of the QAnon movement is that it encourages people to view the world as one giant Da Vinci code. It's addictive, it encourages the community to become more tightly knit, and since it's an amalgam of all the big conspiracy theories anyone who believes in one is susceptible to getting sucked in. Once this stuff gets into the social media dopamine loop it's nearly impossible to dislodge, and because the people who are discussing the theory tend to be active in related spaces their attitude of anger and paranoia spreads to people who haven't even heard of Q. These people are going to continue 'baking' reality and getting increasingly violent and we really don't have a way to stop it.

what about banning social media???

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!

Mayor Dave posted:

The really worrisome part of the QAnon movement is that it encourages people to view the world as one giant Da Vinci code. It's addictive, it encourages the community to become more tightly knit, and since it's an amalgam of all the big conspiracy theories anyone who believes in one is susceptible to getting sucked in. Once this stuff gets into the social media dopamine loop it's nearly impossible to dislodge, and because the people who are discussing the theory tend to be active in related spaces their attitude of anger and paranoia spreads to people who haven't even heard of Q. These people are going to continue 'baking' reality and getting increasingly violent and we really don't have a way to stop it.

it's called gamification of the metaverse op

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Complications posted:

When you consider all of the factors, Washington D. C. is in an excellent position to withstand climate change with only minimal action...

LOL it's true. PLUS with all the filthy lucre floating around it's a lot easier to make a living there, so long as you like servile work.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mayor Dave posted:

The really worrisome part of the QAnon movement is that it encourages people to view the world as one giant Da Vinci code. It's addictive, it encourages the community to become more tightly knit, and since it's an amalgam of all the big conspiracy theories anyone who believes in one is susceptible to getting sucked in. Once this stuff gets into the social media dopamine loop it's nearly impossible to dislodge, and because the people who are discussing the theory tend to be active in related spaces their attitude of anger and paranoia spreads to people who haven't even heard of Q. These people are going to continue 'baking' reality and getting increasingly violent and we really don't have a way to stop it.

It's a net made out of fish hooks. Trying to free yourself just gets you more entangled.

My 71 year old mother refuses to believe that the supermarket will ever be barren. She refuses to believe that we are inexorably headed towards a future where to have any chance of getting food at supermarkets, you'll have to line up at something ludicrous like 3am to have a chance to nab what they'll GIVE you off the truck for exorbitant prices.

And sure, there'll always be plenty for the privileged. That's :capitalism:. Grocery delivery will still exist. For a while. Until the trucks they're using now start getting hijacked JoBurg-style and switched to *armored* trucks with armed guards (again, JoBurg-style) giving you your cantaloupes and generic flavored seltzer.

The US media isn't talking about BC at all. Not even some *extremely online* and well-informed friends of mine even knew about what was going on up there. We can't doubt the Almighty Number so close to the holidays. It's oh so sensitive.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

I was searching Canadian social media groups for reactions and news on the flooding. In the process I found off-the-charts settler racism towards the Wet’suwet’en protesters trying to block a pipeline. Imagine being such a shitbag moron you cheer for big oil and the RCMP to crush indigenous environmentalists while climate change is destroying BC.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

Is all this conspiracy poo poo happening because people can't control what's happening? Is it the same as all the anti mask/vax dogshit? Will people be protesting to stop "geo-engineering our land away" soon?

we're fukn doomed :laugh:

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The suburbs, maybe - the city itself is still vulnerable to sea level rise. Old Town Alexandria floods *all the loving time* and basement drains in the District like to back up and gush sewage every so often.

Haha that happened to me once in DC, and my poor blind roommate took a shower and tracked it all over the house.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

toggle posted:

Is all this conspiracy poo poo happening because people can't control what's happening? Is it the same as all the anti mask/vax dogshit? Will people be protesting to stop "geo-engineering our land away" soon?

we're fukn doomed :laugh:

Precisely.

SKULL.GIF posted:

A friend got really into Kenshi over the summer and really wanted me to try it. I lasted like maybe a hour, the absolute bleakness of that game just reminded me far too much of what our climate future would be like and I'd rather experience it for myself than a facsimile of it

Kenshi is fuckin' radical. Thread approved.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I told my friend to read the IPCC reports, good call. Cheers all



This is perfect, thank you!

important thing to really hammer home to him wrt reading the IPCC papers, even if it’s just the policy makers abstract,

is that the WORST CASE scenarios outlined in the IPCC are definitely going to happen, and that literally nothing of note has been done to prevent that.

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Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

toggle posted:

Is all this conspiracy poo poo happening because people can't control what's happening? Is it the same as all the anti mask/vax dogshit? Will people be protesting to stop "geo-engineering our land away" soon?

we're fukn doomed :laugh:

Our brains just suck at processing reality and 99% of us are never taught how to tell good information from bad. That plus once a belief is formed and connected to some kind of emotional need our brains will do whatever they can to see that we continue to believe it.

If I had some hypothetical proof that climate change was a hoax and posted it here almost nobody would be able accept it at first. No matter how solid and irrefutable it was - we'd find ways to refute it. Some people would never accept it.

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