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Mailer posted:I'm not even entirely sure how much was a prophecy and how much was you agreeing to do whatever random undead/serpents told you to. You get stronger because videogames but that's not your goal.
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I've always felt like, in Demon's, leveling up through consuming souls was answering the question "why does killing things in RPGs make you stronger?" And the answer's kind of horrible- you get stronger because you're killing and consuming the life force of powerful beings that, in turn, got powerful by killing and consuming the life force of Boletaria's citizens. It kind of works with how all the humans who have leveled up enough to ascend beyond humanity and turn into demons are pretty pathetic- the fun boss version of Allant you fight is a fake and the real thing's a blob of slime, the Old Monk dies when you show up and has to summon someone else to actually fight you, and Astraea is terminally depressed and spends her fight begging you to leave. Maybe I was reading too much into it, but it seemed like a commentary about the relationship between power, violence and greed. And in Dark Souls some of that's still there- do you really want to become Gwyn's successor as a lord? But that's a lot vaguer, as is the 'leveling up using souls=horrible violence' part of the equation.
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acksplode posted:They're the same thing, right? The prophecy of the Chosen Undead is a lie spun by the gods, and undead and serpents suckered by it are propagating it. The intention is to motivate all the undead into taking on the impossible task of amassing enough soul power and then sacrificing themselves to link the flame -- you're a tool for concentrating flammable material, becoming as strong as a minor god is indeed part of the goal. Nothing is assured, but given enough attempts one of the miserable wretches eventually succeeds, and that's the "Chosen Undead". And the cruel thing is this is all against humanity's interest, since dark is their nature and they'll reign in the age of dark. Oh, you wanna overthrow the status quo eh hosed up little man? We'll see how you feel when we give you billions of dollars and rocketships and yachts and sacrifice sex islands  You'll do what you're told!
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acksplode posted:And the cruel thing is this is all against humanity's interest, since dark is their nature and they'll reign in the age of dark. I interpret it as being against everyones interest since the nature of the world is cyclical. The dragons had their time and then they were toppled and almost eradicated. After that is the age of fire which is heavily tied to Gwyn's soul of light. But that age has gone on for too long and no fire can burn forever. This causes the dark sign as the fabric of a dying world starts tearing. You can delay death by adding fuel but that only works for so long and for every added cycle the world rots a little more and a little faster (which we see in ds3). The right thing to do is to accept that nothing lasts forever and allow the world to move on to the next cycle where dark will reign instead of light. Darkness isn't inherently evil, it's just the opposite of light. It's the hubris in forcing the continuation of the current age endlessly that harms the world. This hubris is very understandable however since raging against the dying of the light is a very human impulse. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 05:38
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Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1/2/3, Bloodborne, and Sekiro are actually about pushing old men down stairs because they suck and ruin the world.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:
Dark Souls can be about more than one thing. It might be a little bit more about how cool skeletons with swords are than the lore nerds might like, though.
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Chard posted:pressing X to gently caress the potman Buddy,
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if someone, even after playing all of them, cannot find it in themself to recognize how miyazaki games are loving chock full of myriad political symbols and commentaries relevant to our own age...such a person is a moron and a waste of skin
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:if someone, even after playing all of them, cannot find it in themself to recognize how miyazaki games are loving chock full of myriad political symbols and commentaries relevant to our own age...such a person is a moron and a waste of skin Miyazaki: if two onion knights were on a beach at the base of a yggdrasil tree, and one killed the other with a rock, would that be hosed up or what?
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Nuns with Guns posted:Miyazaki: if two onion knights were on a beach at the base of a yggdrasil tree, and one killed the other with a rock, would that be hosed up or what? also this
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Sum Gai posted:Maybe I was reading too much into it, but it seemed like a commentary about the relationship between power, violence and greed. And in Dark Souls some of that's still there- do you really want to become Gwyn's successor as a lord? But that's a lot vaguer, as is the 'leveling up using souls=horrible violence' part of the equation. It's explicitly the cost of the soul arts, or at least that's the description given. I'm not exactly sure if there's a safe amount of magic, or if magic inherently leads to a lust for power that will always doom the world, but both shots at this people have screwed it up. You're fighting the second invasion caused by someone making the world awesome then ruining it all when they decide to turn it up to 11 so maybe the monumentals got it right the first time.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:if someone, even after playing all of them, cannot find it in themself to recognize how miyazaki games are loving chock full of myriad political symbols and commentaries relevant to our own age...such a person is a moron and a waste of skin Prophecy of the chosen undead = sigma male grindset. Oscar's hustle was sapped by haters until he became bluepilled and he left you his collection of Gwyn NFTs.
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So, is demon's souls worth it for £43? Was hoping it would come down a little more than that.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1/2/3, Bloodborne, and Sekiro are actually about pushing old men down stairs because they suck and ruin the world. I was going to argue Sekiro in that the Oldest Man actively tries to help you move the world forward until he's reincarnated by his grandson to fulfill his dying wish but the other Old Men are definitely ruining the world so really it comes out in a wash.
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Frankston posted:So, is demon's souls worth it for £43? Was hoping it would come down a little more than that. Definitely
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Frankston posted:So, is demon's souls worth it for £43? Was hoping it would come down a little more than that. take youre precious Demon’s Souls…
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GodFish posted:I was going to argue Sekiro in that the Oldest Man actively tries to help you move the world forward until he's reincarnated by his grandson to fulfill his dying wish but the other Old Men are definitely ruining the world so really it comes out in a wash. I loved this about sekiro, two old men and one is actually good, but ooops, a young man’s vain dying wish caused by the former glory of said old good man literally forces him to come back from the dead to kill you even tho it’s the exact opposite of what he wants. But also I’m still torn between: Isshin fights you because it’s Genny’s dying wish and he has to honour it, or the that the power of the black gate forces Isshin to fight you against his will
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Isshin tries to transcend his hosed up Gwyn-ness by becoming your drinking buddy and surrogate dad (after your other surrogate dad murders you as part of his schemes). But ultimately, his center could never hold, his coup all those decades ago to reclaim Ashina's independence was nothing more than yet another warlord roiling through the chaos that was the sengoku. Even if Isshin has more honor than most, he's yet another blood-soaked lunatic. Who was outlived by other hosed up old men like Tokugawa and Usui.
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Frankston posted:So, is demon's souls worth it for £43? Was hoping it would come down a little more than that. No interest eh? I can tell you're not going to last long here
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codo27 posted:No interest eh? I can tell you're not going to last long here It's the end of Boletaria as we know it And I feel fiiiine
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codo27 posted:No interest eh? I can tell you're not going to last long here This is harsh. Evaluate me.
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Why does that NPC who gets transformed into a tree call you ‘Cully’???
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bop bop perano posted:Why does that NPC who gets transformed into a tree call you ‘Cully’??? Because it's archaic (surprise) english for a man or friend.
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bop bop perano posted:Why does that NPC who gets transformed into a tree call you ‘Cully’??? He's actually saying Sully because Nathan Drake is about to drop down from a ledge and break your neck
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DS was definitely strongest up to Anor Londo, but like someone else mentioned, Archives and the DLC in general are all good content as well, in my opinion. I actually really liked the aesthetic for Izalith as well, but I have to say... the decision to put all the dinosaur creatures in the lava that only attack if aggroed was possibly the most baffling decision I have ever seen in a videogame in my life. I just can't fathom who suggested it and how anyone ever thought "yes, this is great, this is what people want." I played through DS Remastered earlier this year for the first time and felt it was quite a bit stronger than SotFS, in which I've just gotten past the Smelter Demon and I'm a little disappointed that in DS2 the bosses are pathetically easy and the hardest challenge is surviving gank squads so far. I'm a mage this time around so I let myself summon Lucatiel for it though. I'm pretty hype for Elden Ring. It seems like a good remix of the Dark Souls formula. I hope it's the last time From Software go for this aesthetic though, I'd rather see them branch out and try more varied settings after the success of Bloodborne and Sekiro.
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Demon's Souls has my favorite bit of lore in their games - a wooden spear that's "one of the few Revelations from God". So much revealed about the game's universe in a single item description.
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Aidan_702 posted:I loved this about sekiro, two old men and one is actually good, but ooops, a young man’s vain dying wish caused by the former glory of said old good man literally forces him to come back from the dead to kill you even tho it’s the exact opposite of what he wants. Yeah I don't think he's forced to fight you at all. He just does because of a combination of his son's(kinda. He calls Isshin "Grandfather" but he was adopted by him and the Ichirou in his name literally means "First son") dying wish and wanting a good fight like the old days RatHat fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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i'm glad the stupid area full of lava and half of a dinosaur copy and pasted 100 times exists. it wouldn't exist anywhere else and i'm happy to have seen it
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Cavauro posted:i'm glad the stupid area full of lava and half of a dinosaur copy and pasted 100 times exists. it wouldn't exist anywhere else and i'm happy to have seen it Don't forget the end "boss" with the uncounterable and unblockable sweep that is 100% guaranteed to throw you in a death pit
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ymgve posted:Don't forget the end "boss" with the uncounterable and unblockable sweep that is 100% guaranteed to throw you in a death pit the intended play is to bait the sweep, run out of its range, and run back through but that gets pretty hard in the side areas
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There'd be a LOT more complaints about Bed of Chaos if the side orbs reset when you died. Thankfully they don't so you can do one orb, die, do the other orb, die, then kill the boss.
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RatHat posted:There'd be a LOT more complaints about Bed of Chaos if the side orbs reset when you died. Thankfully they don't so you can do one orb, die, do the other orb, die, then kill the boss. You can even quit through the menu which puts you just outside the fog gate. No dying necessary (but it's likely anyway, gently caress BoC)
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Yeah that boss was pretty garbage, the amount of times I failed the jump onto the root leading into the tunnel to kill it was mind-numbing. But at least there was actually a thought behind the gimmick even if it was a bad one. The loving dinosaurs though
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The dragon asses not aggroing unless you step on their toes is a patch thing. They changed the aggro radius to virtually nothing because people complained that as soon as they walked into the lava multiple dragon asses would charge at them and it was impossible to even see what was going on with the bloom, let alone fight them properly. Release version Dark Souls was so screwed up lol
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Tbh Dark is my most played but also least liked of the souls games. Demons is the most interesting and Dark 2 is the weird one and Dark 3 is the boring maximalist one (also the "technical prettiest"). Dark is like the glue. I think it holds up well because that run up through to Amor Londo is *chef's kiss*. Also I think the mechanics are a balance of intuitive (lol) and comprehensive. It's kinda like... Idk the Super Turbo of Dark Souls games?
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Dunno. I think Dark Souls is pretty good. Yeah, Lost Izalith is kind of poo poo, but saying everything after Anor Londo is bad is just incomprehensible to me.
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Double posting to finish my Street Fighter analogy. Demons Souls: World Warrior :: Dark Souls: Super Turbo :: Dark Souls 2: Vampire :: Bloodborne: Street Fighter 3 :: Dark Souls 3: Alpha 3:: Sekiro: uh... Power stone? Sam Sho? Ummm... Sorry idk
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If that were true, then what is Mortal Kombat, the other IP thats infinitely better? (except for recent poo poo games they fundamentally ruined)
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