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GonSmithe posted:Yeah. It’s really disappointing when they have a cool idea and then ruin any desire to buy it by making all the cards draft chaff. I just can’t understand why they do this sort of thing. They seem keenly aware of secondary value and desirability.
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Testing how much they can get people to spend on art without depleting valuable reprint equity makes sense. Everything's a test to see what products will make them even more money in the future.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:31
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I do wonder how intricate their internal reprint equity system is. Like do they have spreadsheets of cards and current market prices or is it all winks and nudges to guard against leaks that would make them look bad.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:44
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whydirt posted:I do wonder how intricate their internal reprint equity system is. Like do they have spreadsheets of cards and current market prices or is it all winks and nudges to guard against leaks that would make them look bad. Given how blatant they've been about it in public comments in recent years, it's hard to imagine they aren't using numbers.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:54
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whydirt posted:I do wonder how intricate their internal reprint equity system is. Like do they have spreadsheets of cards and current market prices or is it all winks and nudges to guard against leaks that would make them look bad. Reprint equity is real weird because, in theory, this is a $200 product, but in reality, unless you were the person out there ready to buy all the garbage coinflip stuff and useless equipment at full face value, it's got like a handful of decent lands, and like 3 reprints worth looking at.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:55
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whydirt posted:I do wonder how intricate their internal reprint equity system is. Like do they have spreadsheets of cards and current market prices or is it all winks and nudges to guard against leaks that would make them look bad. I doubt they put that much effort into it. I am convinced it's 100% just them deciding what they think would be cool for like 3 of the cards and then just finding the other two ad hoc to fit theme. It's all former players getting love for their pet cards.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:56
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To be clear: If you can say honestly that this card has $7.50 of value to you, this is a fantastic reprint equity product:  If not, you are lighting your money on fire for garbage.
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Nov 19, 2021 15:56
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I wouldn't normally do this but this isn't a normal time for me: I'm selling a bunch of sealed stuff in SA-Mart to help cushion my finances while I'm off work after losing my stepdad last week and taking care of my mom. In addition to the entire Ikoria collector hanger pack case, I'm breaking a second one up, $210 for 12 collector packs pulled sequentially from a freshly-opened case of 120. If you're interested in anything and want to chip in a bit extra to help me out, it's greatly appreciated but not necessary. I'm trying to take a load off my plate while making sure my mom is okay(and, well, myself too).
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Nov 19, 2021 16:00
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whydirt posted:I do wonder how intricate their internal reprint equity system is. Like do they have spreadsheets of cards and current market prices or is it all winks and nudges to guard against leaks that would make them look bad. their lawyers have certainly told them to do no such thing because it's not just leaks that could get them in trouble, its discovery in a lawsuit (or a governmental investigation) where they would have to turn it over
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Nov 19, 2021 16:00
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evilweasel posted:their lawyers have certainly told them to do no such thing because it's not just leaks that could get them in trouble, its discovery in a lawsuit (or a governmental investigation) where they would have to turn it over I’m assuming that as long as they don’t mention dollar values explicitly in internal lists that they’d be okay? You just have to use euphemisms like “exciting” instead of “expensive” to stay within the lines, right?
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Nov 19, 2021 16:16
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evilweasel posted:their lawyers have certainly told them to do no such thing because it's not just leaks that could get them in trouble, its discovery in a lawsuit (or a governmental investigation) where they would have to turn it over Doesn't even acknowledging the concept of reprint equity carry some of the risk though? They don't seem particularly worried about it, especially with secret lairs like the fetchlands flat out printing money based on it.
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Nov 19, 2021 16:27
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whydirt posted:I’m assuming that as long as they don’t mention dollar values explicitly in internal lists that they’d be okay? One thing they know very well is the exact number of copies of each printing of a card. Then they can produce a demand function for that card based on any number of data points, including price, but also mtgo, arena, decklists, edhrec, etc. Then they can quantify the demand without using a dollar amount and accurately predict how much a given reprint will "satisfy the demand" for a card.
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Nov 19, 2021 16:29
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That sounds way more sophisticated than I’d give WotC credit for.
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Nov 19, 2021 16:33
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WOTC performing reprint equity data analysis
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Nov 19, 2021 16:36
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I think it’s more like this
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Nov 19, 2021 16:52
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Do we have a discord for hanging out and chatting while streaming drafts? It could be fun and educational to talk through picks and plays.
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Nov 19, 2021 16:54
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Captain Invictus posted:I wouldn't normally do this but this isn't a normal time for me: Condolences on losing your stepdad. Good luck on providing care for your mom.
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Captain Invictus posted:I wouldn't normally do this but this isn't a normal time for me: sorry for your loss 
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Nov 19, 2021 18:20
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Do we have a discord for hanging out and chatting while streaming drafts? It could be fun and educational to talk through picks and plays. check the op of the arena thread in games
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Nov 19, 2021 18:21
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Idle musings, how would y'all feel if in the new OP structure, whatever it may be, they gave exclusive promos as prizes/trophies? GP winners get (one, two, a sheet) of that year's winner promo, 2-8 get a different card, and another card set for worlds? Given that they're going to cheap out on it.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Idle musings, how would y'all feel if in the new OP structure, whatever it may be, they gave exclusive promos as prizes/trophies? GP winners get (one, two, a sheet) of that year's winner promo, 2-8 get a different card, and another card set for worlds? Given that they're going to cheap out on it. Do you mean mechanically unique cards like 1996 World Champion, or just promo cards with alternate art?
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Just alternate art / weird treatments / etc.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Idle musings, how would y'all feel if in the new OP structure, whatever it may be, they gave exclusive promos as prizes/trophies? GP winners get (one, two, a sheet) of that year's winner promo, 2-8 get a different card, and another card set for worlds? Given that they're going to cheap out on it. I want more champion you design the card cards
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HootTheOwl posted:I doubt they put that much effort into it. I am convinced it's 100% just them deciding what they think would be cool for like 3 of the cards and then just finding the other two ad hoc to fit theme. It's all former players getting love for their pet cards. You're completely wrong about this. Gavin Verhey posts constantly on Twitter responding to people like Professor talking about how hard he is working internally to try to reprint cards for Commander players, how much he brings up cards that need reprints, etc.
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GonSmithe posted:You're completely wrong about this. Gavin Verhey posts constantly on Twitter responding to people like Professor talking about how hard he is working internally to try to reprint cards for Commander players, how much he brings up cards that need reprints, etc. I'd believe this was anything more than hot air if he actually had something to show for it over the past 5+ years.
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GonSmithe posted:You're completely wrong about this. Gavin Verhey posts constantly on Twitter responding to people like Professor talking about how hard he is working internally to try to reprint cards for Commander players, how much he brings up cards that need reprints, etc. Oh well if Gavin says so....
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HootTheOwl posted:Oh well if Gavin says so.... I didn't say he was good at his job, lol, but it's definitely not "they put no effort into it," which is what you said you thought.
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GonSmithe posted:I didn't say he was good at his job, lol, but it's definitely not "they put no effort into it," which is what you said you thought. 
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GonSmithe posted:I didn't say he was good at his job, lol, but it's definitely not "they put no effort into it," which is what you said you thought. Again, this requires you to believe Gavin
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GonSmithe posted:I didn't say he was good at his job, lol, but it's definitely not "they put no effort into it," which is what you said you thought. They put effort into making sure that the only person advocating for needed reprints is someone who rolls over for a belly scratch when they tell him no
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I still maintain the secret lair commander deck is not only good value monetarily (and as far as monetary value in reprints for precons go, no less, as supposedly 50 cards in this will be foil and hopefully some of those are desirable cards), but it's really not that far removed from Krark/Sakashima and Okaun/Zndrsplt cEDH decks. Like yes, the deck has some chaff in in it and stuff that doesn't really work for the overall gameplan of either commander (the equipment, some low-impact creatures, etc). Most precons have that, but you'd also be able to upgrade it to something more resembling this Okaun/Zndrsplt list or this Krark/Sakashima deck without breaking the bank (like yeah you wouldn't have stuff like Volcanic Island, Wheel of Fortune, Force of Will, Dockside Extortionist etc, but still, some of those have pretty easy replacements). There's much more than no effort put into it. It may not be an amazing deck out of the box (frankly I feel like it relies far too much on Okaun for wins), but it wouldn't take much to make something pretty cool out of, either. Having a bunch of copied Krarks is actually pretty cool, especially if you have Krark's Thumb and something like Birgi in play. You can practically just loop Frantic Search until you hit Grapeshot and just go off, because chances are good at least one of your flips will allow you to send those back to your hand. It's RNG Manipulation: The Deck!
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Nov 19, 2021 19:34
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Anyone at Vegas know which stores are good for selling to?
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Tarnop posted:They put effort into making sure that the only person advocating for needed reprints is someone who rolls over for a belly scratch when they tell him no I'm also shocked to learn player advocates in a company aren't the ones who actually run the place. It's still better than not having player advocates, so dumping on him doesn't seem fair.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Anyone at Vegas know which stores are good for selling to? If 95MTG is there, I've had good experiences with them before. You could also check the buylists and just see who's offering the most for the main cards everyone is looking for.
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Sinteres posted:I'm also shocked to learn player advocates in a company aren't the ones who actually run the place. It's still better than not having player advocates, so dumping on him doesn't seem fair. Who's shocked? Other than you
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Fish Of Doom posted:If 95MTG is there, I've had good experiences with them before. You could also check the buylists and just see who's offering the most for the main cards everyone is looking for. Yeah, was thinking them, think I went to them at multiple GPs before.
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They did reprint fetch lands in a way that wasn't over the top exploitative (just moderately so), so there's some progress there
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Mike N Eich posted:They did reprint fetch lands in a way that wasn't over the top exploitative (just moderately so), so there's something there Only the enemy colored ones tho
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