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lenoon posted:I legit gasped like I was reading a Victorian penny dreadful. Had an interesting chat with him about how he got permission to do it, and what a mindfuck it was. Just super enjoyable. Wait, what you spoke to Abnett about the process of making this trilogy? Can you share anything from your conversation? That would be super interesting!
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He spoke about it at a book club event that I was at. I’d have to find the notes I made but the essence was “had idea and thought it was cool, talked very fast to convince people it was a good idea, sent it out into the world”. I’m really interested in the limits of what franchise writers are allowed to and encouraged to do, especially in a situation like Dan’s where he has the whole Daniverse thing going on
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To be honest, I'm kind of surprised Dan Abnett has to convince someone to let him write a book. If I ran BL, I'd just park a dump truck full of cash outside his house and ask him to call me when that ran out.
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Freudian slippers posted:To be honest, I'm kind of surprised Dan Abnett has to convince someone to let him write a book. If I ran BL, I'd just park a dump truck of cash outside his house and ask him to call me when that ran out. It's probably more a "check before you make any changes to the lore" thing to make sure that it doesn't derail anything planned further down the line. Yes, I'm aware I just implied that GW think that far ahead and I'd also just say "here is money - make a cool thing for us to sell", but hey...
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Dog_Meat posted:It's probably more a "check before you make any changes to the lore" thing to make sure that it doesn't derail anything planned further down the line. Considering that Abnett apparently came up with Perpetuals as well as Enuncia, both of which IMO stick out in the setting like a sore thumb, I hope they keep him on a tighter leash in the future when it comes to inventing new lore.
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NihilCredo posted:Considering that Abnett apparently came up with Perpetuals as well as Enuncia, both of which IMO stick out in the setting like a sore thumb, I hope they keep him on a tighter leash in the future when it comes to inventing new lore. Enuncia was neat when it was just a quirk of the baddies in Ravenor Returned, just another weird element to the world Abnett was building in those books. As it became more fundamental to his world though its felt more like it could just be a tabletop upgrade. 'He's paid +25 points to access Lore of Words".
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lenoon posted:He spoke about it at a book club event that I was at. I’d have to find the notes I made but the essence was “had idea and thought it was cool, talked very fast to convince people it was a good idea, sent it out into the world”. I’m really interested in the limits of what franchise writers are allowed to and encouraged to do, especially in a situation like Dan’s where he has the whole Daniverse thing going on This is upsetting to hear. I was hoping it was more along the lines of "GW wants to progress the story forward, and we need major characters to start returning so we can make people flip out and we can sell metric asstons of new minis, so you can write about X which will eventually lead to Y". Aside: Angels of Death new episode is  . I mean, we all knew it was coming. But it's here! Philthy fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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The perpetuals are very comic-booky. It’s ok tho in abnetts books because he writes “real” people so well .
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Philthy posted:Aside: Angels of Death new episode is "I am the death of foes"  
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a lovely king posted:Enuncia was neat when it was just a quirk of the baddies in Ravenor Returned, just another weird element to the world Abnett was building in those books. As it became more fundamental to his world though its felt more like it could just be a tabletop upgrade. 'He's paid +25 points to access Lore of Words". I didn't think it was neat even in Ravenor. It was too close to "psykana but BIGGER". Even better at shaping reality through sheer willpower, even more risk of turning yourself and your surroundings/city/continent into a Pollock painting. The idea of achieving ultimate power via brute-forcing the secrets of the universe with Chaos-tainted computers was pretty cool. But it was lame that said ultimate power, once achieved, took the form of a slightly different style of D&D spellcasting. euphronius posted:The perpetuals are very comic-booky. It’s ok tho in abnetts books because he writes “real” people so well . I think WH40K has room for comic-book-y stuff - arguably the whole HH qualifies - even if I don't enjoy it. The bigger problem with Perpetuals IMO is that they're completely disconnected from the rest of the setting (a problem that Enuncia shares, although I heard that SoT is fixing this somewhat). But I've beaten that particular horse dead enough.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:There was a small LARP game where all the players (mostly women afaik) played airbase comms crew during the Battle of Britain, it sounded pretty neat. And for RPGs, there's Night Witches where you play flight crew from the Soviet 588th Night Bomber regiment, the all-female Night Witches. A solid RPG with a lot of historical detail. https://bullypulpitgames.com/games/night-witches/ And with much less historical detail (none) but an overpouring love of all thing biplane and biplane adjacent, Flying Circus. Set in a post-apocalyptic world a generation after their version of WW1 turns really ugly, you play a small mercenary squadron making a living keeping trade routes between isolated settlements open. It's beautifully illustrated and has a highly detailed plane builder (many actual WW1 aircraft are in the game under new names). Recommended. https://opensketch.itch.io/flying-circus
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NihilCredo posted:I didn't think it was neat even in Ravenor. It was too close to "psykana but BIGGER". Even better at shaping reality through sheer willpower, even more risk of turning yourself and your surroundings/city/continent into a Pollock painting. The Enuncia bothers me less because it's just warp magic by another name. Some of the implications are weird, but Words of Power are easy to incorporate into the existing framework. The Perpetuals don't really have the same hooks - they're basically separate from the universe. The only thing similar to them is the emperor, and that's a stretch.
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euphronius posted:I kind of just wrote them off as mutants Yeah, I just kinda figured they had lesser versions of whatever psy-mutation BS that the Big E says. It'd be weirder if Emps was the only natural immortal super human IMHO.
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NihilCredo posted:The bigger problem with Perpetuals IMO is that they're completely disconnected from the rest of the setting (a problem that Enuncia shares, although I heard that SoT is fixing this somewhat). But I've beaten that particular horse dead enough. So far SoT “fixing that” is having them bumble through the plot in disconnected and incomprehensible ways that you can literally flip past and miss nothing from the more important bits.” It would be better if they had a stated goal in mind but so far they are just kind of like a gaggle of Mr. Beans slowly beaning their way to the palace.
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I always thought of the perpetuals as incredibly high grade psykers in the same vein as the Emperor. I mean he may not have even been the first or the oldest by several peoples admission but he was the strongest. We only ever seen a handful of them across all of human history. If not just super psykers, perhaps they represented what mankind may have been post ascension if the Emperor had managed to shepherd humanity into the webway so the universe didn't get cooked as the entire race got psyker powers. They just spawned early? I'm not a huge fan of them being special snowflakes but Alpha plus a billion psyker is a little easier to look at for me as a character than Mary Sue and Deus Ex Machnina had a baby. I also have to imagine they all die since they don't exist in 40k but I'm gunna LOL if they do something wild like Sanginius turns, he and Horus murder the Emperor and its Oll Pearsons on the throne. I don't dislike enuncia and the whole (Siege of Terra and Penitent Spoiler here) Oll was the first warmaster and stabbed the emperor and smacked him with a word of enuncia was pretty metal. Im really curious if they let Abnett reintroduce Valdor as a third faction or the imperium proper considering we're seeing Enuncia be incorporated pretty deeply into 30k story telling given that scene. Im willing to die on the hill of Amare Astarte being an absolute terrible name and hook for the Astartes. She's a cool enough character as it is we didn't need to work in the name as well.
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Pretty sure they all exist in 40k. They just have a knack of showing up whenever. I mean, I don't even think they can die. That's kinda their thing.
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Waroduce posted:I always thought of the perpetuals as incredibly high grade psykers in the same vein as the Emperor. I mean he may not have even been the first or the oldest by several peoples admission but he was the strongest. We only ever seen a handful of them across all of human history. If not just super psykers, perhaps they represented what mankind may have been post ascension if the Emperor had managed to shepherd humanity into the webway so the universe didn't get cooked as the entire race got psyker powers. They just spawned early? This is exactly what they are as explained in the lore. They believed it was their duty to shephard humanity to the point that everybody was like them. The main point of contention between the emperor and the others was whether they should artificially speed the process up (emperor) or let nature take its course and nudge here and there (the rest). Many of them originally sided with the emperor and defected over the years because he was such a gigantic twat. Philthy posted:Pretty sure they all exist in 40k. They just have a knack of showing up whenever. I mean, I don't even think they can die. That's kinda their thing. Not really. Some may but most of them are gone. They can die it's just very hard and each has different abilities and whatnot. Some can regenerate from a single atom, others can die easier.
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Waroduce posted:I always thought of the perpetuals as incredibly high grade psykers in the same vein as the Emperor. I mean he may not have even been the first or the oldest by several peoples admission but he was the strongest. We only ever seen a handful of them across all of human history. If not just super psykers, perhaps they represented what mankind may have been post ascension if the Emperor had managed to shepherd humanity into the webway so the universe didn't get cooked as the entire race got psyker powers. They just spawned early? i will fight beside you battle-brother
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D-Pad posted:This is exactly what they are as explained in the lore. They believed it was their duty to shephard humanity to the point that everybody was like them. The main point of contention between the emperor and the others was whether they should artificially speed the process up (emperor) or let nature take its course and nudge here and there (the rest). Many of them originally sided with the emperor and defected over the years because he was such a gigantic twat. Pretty sure it's also now been established that they've all got a limited number of deaths in them. SoT spoilers: Malcador doesn't just crumble into dust on the Golden Throne because of the weight of the burden; it's also because Magnus already killed him the final time in the lake beneath the dungeons of the Imperial Palace and he's living on the borrowed last life of another Perpetual, so when the Golden Throne finally kills him, he's basically at negative lives left and *POOF*. Assuming I read that all correctly, of course.
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Faith and Fire by James Swallow from 2006 has the sisters of battle main character find out there's a machine that artificially transforms normal humans into Alpha Plus psykers. Whether it can do it more than once is up for debate but the antagonist is sure that The Emperor made the machine himself to put people through it en mass. e; Seems like something the emperor would do. Or if one of the other perpetuals sabotaged something or stole it. Though if it's not something of his at all, that would be more interesting. e2; lmao https://www.britishfantasysociety.org/reviews/warhammer-40000-faith-and-fire-by-james-swallow-book-review/ Reviewed by Steve Dean posted:As I have mentioned in previous reviews, the problem I have is that there is no reason for the characters to be female. They act like men, think like men, and might as well have been men. It’s a minor point in this case, don’t let it put you off the novel. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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I don't know what kicked this off this time but GW has come out swinging instead of the normal mealy mouth corporate bullshit you often see https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/ quote:There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.
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Foxtrot_13 posted:I don't know what kicked this off this time a guy showed up to a Spanish 40K tournament wearing fascist poo poo including literal swastikas and calling himself Austrian Painter. Not only was he not kicked out immediately, the tournament organisers ignored all complaints and awarded the nazi full points for any game where his opponent refused to play him.
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Could have done with ..... Ps. And Arch can get hosed as well. ...at the end. But apart from that, pretty good.
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My head canon is she got the job because of her name, not the other way around. It would rather stand out on a short list of candidates.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:a guy showed up to a Spanish 40K tournament wearing fascist poo poo including literal swastikas and calling himself Austrian Painter. This kinda poo poo is starting to appear in the Gundam communities now, also. Sieg Zeon which started out as mostly meme crap and ironically dumb poo poo becoming more and more non-ironic and "but everyone is bad in Gundam" too. Edit: Or maybe Bandai actually wanted space nazis. I dont even know anymore, other than its all over the place now, when it wasn't so much years ago. Philthy fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Hell yeah gently caress nazis
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Philthy posted:This kinda poo poo is starting to appear in the Gundam communities now, also. Sieg Zeon which started out as mostly meme crap and ironically dumb poo poo becoming more and more non-ironic and "but everyone is bad in Gundam" too. 1979 Gundam literally started the series with "gently caress hitler he was a dumbass" and Ghiren completely missed the point and was like "yo this hitler guy sounds cool, lemme show you what a follower of hitler can do" and his dad said "uh... hitler lost..." then much later down the line Imperial Japanese apologia started to appear in gundam so its pretty messy now depending on which gundam media you're watching
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Philthy posted:This kinda poo poo is starting to appear in the Gundam communities now, also. Sieg Zeon which started out as mostly meme crap and ironically dumb poo poo becoming more and more non-ironic and "but everyone is bad in Gundam" too. Zeon is/was supposed to be an Imperial Japan/Nazi pastiche and is meant to be unambiguously terrible and bad. The Federation aren't much better and eventually develop their own special Nazi group. Gundam is supposed to be anti-war (hence the depressing stories where everyone dies) but chuds gonna chud. HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:then much later down the line Imperial Japanese apologia started to appear in gundam so its pretty messy now depending on which gundam media you're watching This is interesting - can you elaborate? Is it SEED? (Please tell me it's SEED).
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Deptfordx posted:Could have done with ..... Didn't GW take legal action against Arch or something?
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Inspector_666 posted:Didn't GW take legal action against Arch or something? He used to go by Arch Warhammer so there you go.
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Deptfordx posted:Could have done with ..... Honestly even acknowledging him is way more than he deserves. At this point you can just ignore him to death.
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AnEdgelord posted:Honestly even acknowledging him is way more than he deserves. At this point you can just ignore him to death. Yes, historically ignoring fascists has worked out really well.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Yes, historically ignoring fascists has worked out really well. There seems to be some misunderstanding here. It is important to call out people like the Spanish Nazi whenever possible and that is exactly what GW did here but there is a material difference between him and a guy like Arch. Arch isn't just a person, he is a media brand that thrives off of engagement. GW has already stripped his ability to use the 'Warhammer' name in his usernames but after that acknowledging him at all is just free advertising for his media brand.
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