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juggalo baby coffin posted:if its an extra 20% of your guys max health per turn (ie 5 turns from 0 to 100%) on top of whatever other replenishment you're getting then its pretty great. I'm pretty sure the way in works currently is that all casualty replenishment bonuses are additive, not multiplicative. So if your replenishment is at 10%, a +20% boost doesn't mean you're healing 12% of your max hp each turn, it means you're healing 30%. I haven't heard anything about this changing for TWW3, so it looks like this is a huge boost.
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Yeah under the TWW2 calculations 20% is a massive boost, coupled with a few levels in lord/hero skills and a province with +casualty replenishment (usually growth buildings, which means you'll have multiple in each province) you will easily be clearing 40-50% replenishment a turn. When your forces are wounded you tend not to move around either unless to bunker up in a friendly settlement so the no movement seems ok. It seems like a mechanic to replace multi-turn recruitment times with multi-turn replenishment times for Nurgle
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Nov 19, 2021 20:27
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juggalo baby coffin posted:if its an extra 20% of your guys max health per turn (ie 5 turns from 0 to 100%) on top of whatever other replenishment you're getting then its pretty great. I am not aware of any +replenishment sources that don't actually mean "the card regenerates an additional XX% of it's max HP per turn." e: should've noticed the new page, oh well.
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rideANDxORdie posted:Yeah under the TWW2 calculations 20% is a massive boost, coupled with a few levels in lord/hero skills and a province with +casualty replenishment (usually growth buildings, which means you'll have multiple in each province) you will easily be clearing 40-50% replenishment a turn. When your forces are wounded you tend not to move around either unless to bunker up in a friendly settlement so the no movement seems ok. It seems like a mechanic to replace multi-turn recruitment times with multi-turn replenishment times for Nurgle The issue with this is that the game is also pretty generous with replenishment boosts, especially considering how powerful they are, and you will almost always have multiple source of replenishment going on from friendly territory/cities/stances, heroes, technology, even followers and items and you will hit diminishing returns pretty soon. That's usually not a huge issue, more replenishment is always better, but that's also because most of those boosts don't have a downside. If you use the ability and now have 70% replenishment, but you can't also move for two turns, you are rarely in a better position than with 50% replenishment and the ability to freely move you had before using it.
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Nov 19, 2021 20:49
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Hey man, nobodies forcing you to use the ability, if by your calculations it's not useful, don't use it.
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Nov 19, 2021 21:03
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I don't want to play as Pontus
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Nov 19, 2021 21:06
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I want Pontus to be more powerful, actually. 
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Nov 19, 2021 21:11
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I want to get railed by Mithridates III but he has a crab claw.
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Noticed all the GUOs have stomach mouths, which is a modeling option, but generally less common than spilling intestines. I wonder if that’s a function of shooting for a T rating. The new trailer talks up the advisor’s pact with what’s obviously Tzeentch, so I wonder if they’re doing something with that’ll tie into his appearance in other races’ campaigns.
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Nov 19, 2021 21:25
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Dr Christmas posted:Noticed all the GUOs have stomach mouths, which is a modeling option, but generally less common than spilling intestines. I wonder if that’s a function of shooting for a T rating. Probably a combination of that and also just not wanting to gross out a bunch of players. It would be funny if Blood DLC unlocked the intestines though.
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Nov 19, 2021 21:29
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Cup of coffee and a cigarette unlocks the intestines pretty good too
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Nov 19, 2021 21:31
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OwlFancier posted:Reject horny, return to crab. 
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Nov 19, 2021 21:32
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I'm relatively new to TW, what's the Pontus meme?
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Nov 19, 2021 21:36
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Replen bonuses usually just add to the base rate, so +20% replen is a massive boost. Depending on your base rate and what stuff you have in province it can be multiple times your usual rate.zoux posted:I'm relatively new to TW, what's the Pontus meme? 
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Nov 19, 2021 21:38
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Beyond it being funny I was always kinda confused by it because the Mithridatic kingdom absolutely did exist and it existed at mostly the right time period for Rome II.
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Nov 19, 2021 21:44
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Twigand Berries posted:Cup of coffee and a cigarette unlocks the intestines pretty good too 
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Aurubin posted:Beyond it being funny I was always kinda confused by it because the Mithridatic kingdom absolutely did exist and it existed at mostly the right time period for Rome II. I have absolutely no idea why it's a thing, pontus is good, they get elephants.
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Nov 19, 2021 21:51
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OwlFancier posted:I have absolutely no idea why it's a thing, pontus is good, they get elephants. YEah I know about the comic, but the question was why everyone hates Pontus such that it became a meme
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Nov 19, 2021 21:55
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I think they got announced before the Seleucids, so people freaked out that CA was overlooking a more iconic faction for Pontus despite the fact that the Seleucids ended up in the base game anyway.
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Aurubin posted:Beyond it being funny I was always kinda confused by it because the Mithridatic kingdom absolutely did exist and it existed at mostly the right time period for Rome II. It was even in Rome I. Iirc it got lambasted online for being one of the last factions to get revealed but before the "more important" seleucids who were the pre-order bonus. Even though Pontus's proper greco-persian roster was way more interesting than the seleucids'third or fourth variant of "pikemen and heavy cav with elephants" There was already Ptolemies, Antigonids, and Bactria, plus Athens, Rhodes, and Sparta if you prefer shittier cav, smaller spears, and no elephants, how many clone greek factions did the game need? I think Epirus was in the mix right after release too? It's pikes all the way down but Pontus was too far. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 21:56
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The Seleucids are a white supremacist magnet while Pontus generally isn't due to potentially being brown
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I cannot wait to destroy all Chaos
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I'm here to kill chaos
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I'm all out of Chaos
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OwlFancier posted:I have absolutely no idea why it's a thing, pontus is good, they get elephants. Pontus does not get elephants. The Seleucids have elephants, famously so in history as Seleucus traded Alexander's Indian conquests to peer posted:The Seleucids are a white supremacist magnet while Pontus generally isn't due to potentially being brown Never heard that before. Why would they be so? Pontus isn't any more brown than the Seleucids, in both cases you are essentially looking at eastern Hellenistic kingdoms with all that entails, that both celebrated the legacy of Alexander, although the Seleucids were more directly related to that legacy obviously. Also Antiochus I's mother was a Sogdian noblewoman, Seleucus's marriage into that aristocracy and Antiochus's descent from that was pretty essential in the initial phase of securing Seleucid power in the East. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 22:32
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Pontus get something interesting I'm sure, but it has been a long time since I played rome 2 so maybe I am thinking of bacria or something.
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OwlFancier posted:Pontus get something interesting I'm sure, but it has been a long time since I played rome 2 so maybe I am thinking of bacria or something. Rome 1 and Rome 2 gave Pontus a bunch of "eastern" style units as their roster, though Rome 2 was generally more accurate in that at heart they were a macedonian phalanx faction supported by light infantry and cavalry. They may have had horse-archers but I'm not 100% sure. I think they also had scythed chariots in Rome 1 Seleucids kind of had all the same, though not eastern infantry units I think, they also had camels, cataphracts, war elephants and scythed chariots, they also had "imitation legionaries" in Rome 1 (as did Pontus). The Seleucids probably had the most varied army roster of any faction in Rome 1.
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OwlFancier posted:Pontus get something interesting I'm sure, but it has been a long time since I played rome 2 so maybe I am thinking of bacria or something. I decided to recheck. Pontus was a lazy reskin of minimal existing units: https://www.honga.net/totalwar/rome2/faction.php?l=en&v=rome2&f=rom_pontus Selecuids got a nice roster: https://www.honga.net/totalwar/rome2/faction.php?l=en&v=rome2&f=rom_seleucid Warhammer's had nothing like this, with even WoC being different and playable on release.
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Randarkman posted:
I think where you're going wrong is assuming more thought than is actually used for wannabe Klansmen. Greeks give white supremacists stiffies and persians were among their main enemies. Can you tell who's who by sight? Nope. Do nazis care? Oh hell no, one is glorious logic and Alexander and Leonidas and poo poo, while the other barbaric asian hordes.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I think where you're going wrong is assuming more thought than is actually used for wannabe Klansmen. Greeks give white supremacists stiffies and persians were among their main enemies. Can you tell who's who by sight? Nope. Do nazis care? Oh hell no, one is glorious logic and Alexander and Leonidas and poo poo, while the other barbaric asian hordes. The Mithridatic dynasty was more than half Greco-Macedonian and probably had a larger proportionate Greek-speaking subject population than the Seleucid empire also. I also get what you're saying, but I'm not exactly sure the reason for the Potnus rage is nazis, I think that's mostly just an assumption that alot of people are making.
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Holy poo poo, Nurgle's campaign mechanics are incredible. That's definitely going to be one of my first playthroughs.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I think where you're going wrong is assuming more thought than is actually used for wannabe Klansmen. Greeks give white supremacists stiffies and persians were among their main enemies. Can you tell who's who by sight? Nope. Do nazis care? Oh hell no, one is glorious logic and Alexander and Leonidas and poo poo, while the other barbaric asian hordes. Did any of this actually come up in any of the discussions around it, or are you speculating that it could have?
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Sounds like if you're willing to pay a premium for it you can get one-turn armies with Nurgle by recruiting a bunch of units and merging them.
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peer posted:The Seleucids are a white supremacist magnet while Pontus generally isn't due to potentially being brown [citation needed] Especially because if you want the 'white supremacist faction' in Rome 2 then its obviously either Sparta or Rome itself depending on the preferences of the specific white supremacist.
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Seleucids, to a certain diseased type of mind, are a military aristocracy of elite white Greeks ruling over an empire of various flavors of brown. I think the overall motivating impulse of Seleucid-stans is more along the lines of Byzantine-stans than weird nazis though
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Sinteres posted:Did any of this actually come up in any of the discussions around it, or are you speculating that it could have? TWC still exists, you can go check out their "history" and "politics" forums. hint: it's all You shouldn't though, it's all gross, and that's purely for people 2000 years ago. Once you hit recent history it gets into unironic german übermenschen vs the degenerate mixed-race yanks and judeo-bolshevik race traitors. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:TWC still exists, you can go check out their "history" and "politics" forums. It's not nearly as simple as you're portraying it as. TWC is a pretty bad forum in general, but I read it alot before and it's nearly as bad or homogenous as you're implying it to be. Various TW mods like the Broken Crescent mod for Medieval 2 were developed by people on TWC and were extremely popular, even though they don't fit your characterization of the place. Three Kingdoms as a settting for a Total War game was also a pretty popualr request there going all the way back to the Medieval 2 era. e: Though glancing at the non-game forums it does appear to be pretty chuddy there at least. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Astus posted:I'm pretty sure the way in works currently is that all casualty replenishment bonuses are additive, not multiplicative. So if your replenishment is at 10%, a +20% boost doesn't mean you're healing 12% of your max hp each turn, it means you're healing 30%. I haven't heard anything about this changing for TWW3, so it looks like this is a huge boost. i thought some of sources were multiplicative, maybe some of the blue line skills
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:TWC still exists, you can go check out their "history" and "politics" forums. I meant specifically in relation to being mad about Pontus.I just feel like the simplest explanation is that the Seleucid Empire is far more known in general (even a ton of history nerds wouldn't be able to tell you what it is) than because they didn't want a 'brown' faction in the game. Like if people just didn't like Hellenistic factions coded as non-white, people would be angry about Egypt too.
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Rome was the khorne faction because they were all about beating the crap out of everyone, the Ptolemies were slaneesh because they were so horny they decided they didn't even want to leave their palaces to bone, the illirians were nurgle followers because if I recall they had terrible sanitation buildings and the Seleucids, because of their rapid collapse in every gam, was definitely under tzeentch. Carthage followed the chaos dwarves God. All about that money, slaves and mercs. Change my mind.
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