Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
Not quite as enamored as the rest of the thread with Ayashimon given that at this point the 'normal guy becomes super-strong through training and then gets disappointed by it' thing is becoming a trope, but it's got plenty of potential. It really depends on how it evolves and how the setting is handled, but I enjoyed the first chapter and I'm looking forward to more of it.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
I wanna state on the record that Might Guy was loving robbed.

Despite being unable to use magic bullshit, he still managed to kick Madara so hard that he basically destroyed him, and Madara only survived because of "psych I'm goddamn immortal!" cheat.

Any other enemy would have been killed right then and there.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Electric Phantasm posted:

The little peeks we get of Ruru's past and just how she lives her life make her seem like the poster child of fleeting happiness.

Yes, Ruru is a pretty interesting protagonist where while she's happy it's pretty clear her life is kinda lovely. She's happy thanks to her friends taking care of her. A mom who does actually care a lot, but just "can't" be around. It's part of why some chapters are so wholesome. The mangaka is doing a solid job at keeping Ruru's circumstances lovely, but not horrible while allowing her to have plenty of moments of enjoyment. Even in the little things in life like a sunrise. Also, drat that sunrise was good looking.


chiasaur11 posted:

Well, it doesn't have a solid chapter 2 yet, but it's set up well for it. Just have a quick fight to establish what they'll be like, finish the duel with some success, and have some good character interactions, and we're off to the races.

Everything else, though, it covers. We have a sympathetic lead with clear motives and relatable struggles, a wider goal to contextualize the base level action, and a core dynamic to get us started until a supporting cast can build up. Definitely interested to see where this is going.

On the opposite side, one thing about Neru that the final chapter highlighted was how unfocused it was. You have the protagonist, the girl he's into as a rival, and the school friends in chapter 1. Then they vanish and we kept rotating through new supporting players, with nobody staying long enough to have a clear focus cast. End result is that, when the final chapter comes, nobody's final position has any meaning for the reader, with the only bit that has any potential impact coming from the first chapter. I won't say it tried to do too much, since it hardly did anything, but it did try to juggle too large a cast too early without considering how they'd function in practice. MHA might have Too Many Characters, but at least we get enough of Deku, Bakugo, Todoroki, and All Might to know how they all work.

This very much. We need a solid second chapter, but this new manga really came out swinging. We're given clear reasons to care, clear reasons for his strength, a preliminary goal, a reason why he's all alone a hint of a past. While he doesn't have a long term goal yet, he's in the employ of a girl who does have a clear long term goal so we know where he's going.
I don't know why, but it reminded me a little of Soloist in a cage with some of the scenes highlighting him slaughtering people. Even if in the latter's case it was shown as a sad thing. While Kaido looks happy, him slaughtering isn't really shown as a good thing I guess.

It's easy to forget, but Neru actually had a pretty strong first chapter. Read it again. Neru had connections, struggles at school, a disappeared family, good artwork and an okay sense of humour. The mistake was basically that it never worked on the hooks it set up.
The family is never referenced after first chapter(I was sure grandpa was dead considering the unclear language).
The friends disappear in the second chapter.
The humour disappears.
His goal at that point was finding out what he wanted to do in life since he sucked at normal school. But then that also disappeared for some weird fights with people who immediately disappeared again?:psyduck: As much as I wanted to like it, it was just incompetently written.


Contrast it to Red Hood, which faffed about in the village for 2 months. :shrug:

Basically, Ayashimon can still have the same trajectory depending how the next chapters cash in on the setup.


Me and Roboco: I skimmed it I wasn't feeling it. I think it's time for this to end.

Speaking of Neru, it dies as it lived. A mess of wavy haired people doing stuff because reasons.



Sakamoto: I love this series a lot. That mid combat exercise routine. :allears:

Mashle: I'm fully on board for all the bullshit. :allears:

Elusive Samurai: Lol at that army of smilie faces. Still, this is looking good.


Witch Watch: I found the tropes guys a little forced, but I'd be lying if it didn't get a chuckle out of me. :)



JoJosSiwaAdventure posted:

Dumbish question, but knowing that people don't like where things go in the back of the series and don't like the ending is Naruto worth a read if I'm subscribed to viz (so the financial cost is negligible) and am basically just spending my time on it?

I'm someone that read a very tiny bit when it was still running (mainly just remember up to Kakaishi taking Naruto and his two main pals out training the first time, so pretty early) and catching a few dub episodes on morning telly when stuff like Rock Lee and the sand dude were introduced so that's basically where my knowledge is but I guess having this sub makes me feel like checking it out for some reason since it's something I knew existed at the time but never really engaged with

I know the real answer is that I should go and read One Piece instead since I never watched past finishing Alabasta there but for some reason I wanna ask about Naruto instead

Read it. If you can binge it, or even do 1 chapter a day it's fairly entertaining. It has a whole bunch of pitfalls, but also really drat well sells some of its moments.


Mikl posted:

I wanna state on the record that Might Guy was loving robbed.

Despite being unable to use magic bullshit, he still managed to kick Madara so hard that he basically destroyed him, and Madara only survived because of "psych I'm goddamn immortal!" cheat.

Any other enemy would have been killed right then and there.

And still I consider it a masterclass at how to tease something, sell it for the build up while not being allowed to finish the story because not a main character.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I read through Naruto recently and actually thought it held up pretty well. A lot of people didn't like it post time skip because it eventually stopped being about Naruto getting better though his own determination, but what it turned into I thought was done well on its own merits, even if it wasn't what people wanted.

Basically it becomes about how to save people and end conflict without just murdering the other party; the final arc is full of power escalation and no selling techniques, but each one advances a number of character arcs, and even Guy's big moment matters because it's ultimately what weakens Madara enough for Kaguya to emerge.

It's a total betrayal of the hard work ethic, obviously, but as an example of characters being talked around into coming together in cooperation, I genuinely thought it did well, even if it would have been better if it hadn't forgotten its original ethos.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
guy's the only one who made madara even notice him. the rest of the cast didn't even qualify as opponents. faint praise, but that's as good as it gets when a mangaka accidentally makes a completely invincible boss.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Mikl posted:

I wanna state on the record that Might Guy was loving robbed.

Despite being unable to use magic bullshit, he still managed to kick Madara so hard that he basically destroyed him, and Madara only survived because of "psych I'm goddamn immortal!" cheat.

Any other enemy would have been killed right then and there.


Might Guy actually can do ninja magic perfectly well. He just specialised in martial arts. He summons a turtle at one point and does a few other jutsu I think. He just doesn't like them much.

Rock Lee's the one who's magically disabled.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Yeah Guy can Jutsu just fine.

JoJosSiwaAdventure
Nov 3, 2021

by Pragmatica
thanks for the answers re: Naruto, everyone. i've downloaded a bunch of chapters to give it a try

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Now let me tell you about a little manga called Bleach.

It rules, unironically.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Skeep posted:

big week for absurdly abusive parents.

I'm assuming this is a reference to PPPPPP as well as Ayashimon. Although Tsubomi Yozakura seems to have also been a less-than-stellar parent.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

I like early Ichigo a whole lot and I could have sworn there was whole page dedicated to declaring him a Soul Reaper which is badass, but it turns out that was the anime.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



ichigo was good when he was a character, I agree

shame about how he slowly bled out his personality over the course of the series

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Hey he had depression from getting repeatedly owned and then losing contact with half of his friends.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Silver2195 posted:

I'm assuming this is a reference to PPPPPP as well as Ayashimon. Although Tsubomi Yozakura seems to have also been a less-than-stellar parent.

The weird thing about PPPPPP is that while we see from the kids' flashbacks that the dad was an abusive piece of poo poo, neither the MC nor his brother actually condemn him or hate him for what he's done to them. It's a really odd detail to omit from what's supposed to be a family drama and makes me wary that this'll go the Food Wars route with the dad.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008

Manatee Cannon posted:

ichigo was good when he was a character, I agree

shame about how he slowly bled out his personality over the course of the series

I probably would have continued to like Bleach had Ichigo's personality not left him and they let Chad and the high school gang do poo poo instead of turning Chad into the most useless jobber and focusing too much on redeeming Soul Society captains like literally Mengele.

Should have dropped out all the Soul Society higher ups after that arc except maybe Rukia's brother, his lieutenant, and maybe a couple guys from dumb fightmans squad.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

JoJosSiwaAdventure posted:

thanks for the answers re: Naruto, everyone. i've downloaded a bunch of chapters to give it a try

Now obviously we want an essay with your opinion once you're done reading.

UnderFreddy
Oct 9, 2012

GEGENPOSTING

review of every single chapter like that one piece guy

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?
Neru had a decent art style but I kinda got a bit down with it near the end because it started to feel like the character designs couldn’t differentiate themselves more, so near the end I started having a hard time knowing the character in the panel actually was.

Red Hood also had a bad art problem for me where when there was nothing going on the art was really good, but when the action scenes started it became a mess to follow and I couldn’t tell what was going on.

They’re both okay manga but I think both had some glaring issues that aren’t just story related.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

The Black Stones posted:

Neru had a decent art style but I kinda got a bit down with it near the end because it started to feel like the character designs couldn’t differentiate themselves more, so near the end I started having a hard time knowing the character in the panel actually was.

Red Hood also had a bad art problem for me where when there was nothing going on the art was really good, but when the action scenes started it became a mess to follow and I couldn’t tell what was going on.

They’re both okay manga but I think both had some glaring issues that aren’t just story related.

Yeah I agree with both these. Neru in particular was so hard to follow, I legit don't know who ANY of the characters in that final chapter were aside from Neru and the girl from the first chap whose name I can't remember. I couldn't tell ANYONE else apart.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Not a fan of this week's Witch Watch. Basically a chapter-long Monopoly Guy joke.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Edens Zero: Tezuka Star System strikes again! Also I hope everyone sees through Jessie's lie the moment they see Homura's lack of guns and then promptly weasel-stomps the duplicitous poo poo. That said I can't help the feeling that Justice is buying into it deliberately as an excuse to hunt down the EZ and Elsie inspite of being told they're not a priority.

ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Nov 17, 2021

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

They should bring back Build King.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

ConanThe3rd posted:

Edens Zero: Tezuka Star System strikes again! Also I hope everyone sees through Jessie's lie the moment they see Homura's lack of guns and then promptly weasel-stomps the duplicitous poo poo. That said I can't help the feeling that Justice is buying into it deliberately as an excuse to hunt down the EZ and Elsie inspite of being told they're not a priority.

Also that final scene with the lanterns is probably going to be really nice to see animated one day (speaking of, any word yet as to when Season 2’s coming out?)

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Dunno if anyone's mentioned it in this thread before, but the author/artist behind Quintessential Quintuplets has been doing another series since it ended called Ranger Reject and it is really good. Basically about a Putty that infiltrates and joins the Ranger corp ranks to take them down from within. Definitely not a romcom like Quints was, that's for sure.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Mikl posted:

I wanna state on the record that Might Guy was loving robbed.

Despite being unable to use magic bullshit, he still managed to kick Madara so hard that he basically destroyed him, and Madara only survived because of "psych I'm goddamn immortal!" cheat.

Any other enemy would have been killed right then and there.


I mean, to be fair the gates stuff was still magic bullshit. I don't see the functional difference between gates stuff and the other self-sacrificing powerful techniques.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

Ibblebibble posted:

Dunno if anyone's mentioned it in this thread before, but the author/artist behind Quintessential Quintuplets has been doing another series since it ended called Ranger Reject and it is really good. Basically about a Putty that infiltrates and joins the Ranger corp ranks to take them down from within. Definitely not a romcom like Quints was, that's for sure.

Oh poo poo last I had heard about this it was going on a hiatus for the author's health, glad to see it's back on track! I'll have to check it out.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
regular ninjas are wizards, guy is a muscle wizard. gates are casting fist at varying intensities.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



CodfishCartographer posted:

Oh poo poo last I had heard about this it was going on a hiatus for the author's health, glad to see it's back on track! I'll have to check it out.

Yeah, it took a month and some time off, but it's been going again for a bit.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Ibblebibble posted:

Dunno if anyone's mentioned it in this thread before, but the author/artist behind Quintessential Quintuplets has been doing another series since it ended called Ranger Reject and it is really good. Basically about a Putty that infiltrates and joins the Ranger corp ranks to take them down from within. Definitely not a romcom like Quints was, that's for sure.

I'm liking this a lot so far. Really neat premise.

edit: All caught up now. This is really great, the path the story takes continues to go in pretty unexpected directions

edit2: It's always nice to see a manga artist be able to move on from a more typical commercial romcom series (like Quintuplets) to something really unique. A genuinely novel narrative in a manga like this really stands out. For a recent example, I absolutely didn't expect the insane recent stuff with little fro guy being killed (at least so soon). Or the thing with bowl-cut guy forming the team with the other people (though it makes perfect sense in hindsight). Like you get the impression it was building up both these characters to be some sort of longer-term part of the series as some sort of companion to the protagonist, only to just throw a curve ball (though for all I know the latter still might amount to something). If I had to guess, it's moving towards the protagonist developing some sort of genuine cooperation, after finally finding out about fro guy + glasses guy getting killed (which will basically make the bonds he's been forming with some of these humans "hit home"), maybe converting of of his current trainee pseudo-allies into real allies against the rangers. But I doubt he'll find out about what happened to fro guy for a while (I'm assuming the fro guy who just joined up with them is XX in disguise). I could be completely off-base about this, though, which is good and makes me much more interested to find out what happens next. As a side comment, I like the part where fro guy starts to go into his backstory and the protagonist is just like "No. Stop."

The combat is also more interesting than I expected. The protagonist makes pretty clever use of his abilities, while distinctly being an underdog against all the antagonists.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Nov 19, 2021

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

regular ninjas are wizards, guy is a muscle wizard. gates are casting fist at varying intensities.

Jesus crist we gona die.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
It's unfortunate that I feel like I need to read every chapter of CHoujin X twice to have any idea of what's happening.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

That’s honestly an improvement over how Tokyo Ghoul became towards the end.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
That's pretty normal for the artist. His art is pretty enough but he's sometimes very bad at connecting one panel to the next.

Reminds me a lot of Break Blade.

JoJosSiwaAdventure
Nov 3, 2021

by Pragmatica
a couple of Naruto thoughts after reading the first four volumes:

Kakashi rules

Naruto is a little poo poo, but in a way where i just wanna give him a hug

i really like "Inner Sakura" when she pops up, but man we went from "Sakura doesn't have the immense potential of the guys but she has incredible energy control" to her being like "i'm so terrible, i can't stand up to the guys at all, i don't think i'm gonna apply for the journeyman exams" real quickly (i know she does go through them, but cultural osmosis also tells me the series doesn't treat her character super well going forward)

when the fox demon energy started leaking out and Naruto did that little transformation thing in the ice trap was hype as hell

Haku :qq:

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

"Doesn't treat her character super well" is an understatement.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
ninja middle school was actually mentorships and otj training and no one bothered to tell sakura. especially not kakashi, whose job specifically included doing exactly that.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

chumbler posted:

"Doesn't treat her character super well" is an understatement.

Like father like son, Boruto the manga is also doing a great job at treating its women and girls.


JoJosSiwaAdventure posted:

a couple of Naruto thoughts after reading the first four volumes:

Kakashi rules

Naruto is a little poo poo, but in a way where i just wanna give him a hug

i really like "Inner Sakura" when she pops up, but man we went from "Sakura doesn't have the immense potential of the guys but she has incredible energy control" to her being like "i'm so terrible, i can't stand up to the guys at all, i don't think i'm gonna apply for the journeyman exams" real quickly (i know she does go through them, but cultural osmosis also tells me the series doesn't treat her character super well going forward)

when the fox demon energy started leaking out and Naruto did that little transformation thing in the ice trap was hype as hell

Haku :qq:

We just had this discussion about opening chapters thanks to Neru, but that entire arc with Haku and Zabuza is so good. It sets the stakes, paints the world, demonstrates everyone’s powers as well as showing completely different powers and things to strive for. (Like one handed hand seals). It even sets up growth right during the arc itself.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

If Sasuke had actually died to Haku way back then this series could've stayed great.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
How lovely so many interactions between Sasuke and Sakura were started to get real uncomfortable quickly once it became apparent they were intended to end up together

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Zerilan posted:

How lovely so many interactions between Sasuke and Sakura were started to get real uncomfortable quickly once it became apparent they were intended to end up together

Honestly Sakura deserved more in general, she’s pretty good as a gutsy rude girl but the Sasuke romance drags her down in a pretty big way. Idk why authors have so much trouble writing female characters, just do what One Piece does and have Nami/Robin mostly interchangeable characters if they were boys.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply