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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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If we can mandate that people need to wear a goddamn seatbelt while driving we can mandate that they need a vaccine to be out in public places imo
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Nov 20, 2021 07:33
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bloom posted:Joking aside, I'm no antivaxxer but the current mediailmapiiri around the topic is loving insane. Ympäri Eurooppaa ollaan ilmeisesti valmiita heittämään oikeusvaltio roskiin yhden taudin takia. Korona on toki vittumainen keissi, mutta meneehän nämä setit nyt vähän överiksi. Of course, we don't know if that would be enough, but if there is a solution, full vaccination is likely part of it. So which do we want? Do we take the unsavory choice and do something which feels like it goes against how we think our society should work, or do we choose to live in plagueworld forever? In general, what do we do when we run into a problem that cannot be solved by people just doing what they want?
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Nov 20, 2021 08:05
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bloom posted:Ympäri Eurooppaa ollaan ilmeisesti valmiita heittämään oikeusvaltio roskiin yhden taudin takia. There's a difference between this and imposing heavy restrictions on the unvaccinated. I don't think we should make them pay their own healthcare costs or anything, but it's not exactly destroying the fabric of our society if we heavily restrict general services as long as these restrictions do not jeopardize their lives. Their right to bodily autonomy also means they have a responsibility towards other people and the right of those people to a safe, healthy environment - for some weird reason this seems to be forgotten by the antivaxxers, even though it's been a part of the whole equation since Locke at least. Their right to a degree of freedom of movement does not mean that they should have equal service in every juottola, market and so on. If people choose to not get vaccinated, we can (and should) further restrict the availability of certain services and possibly completely deny services that are not necessary for living. Want to stay unvaccinated? Okay, you can go to the market on every Tuesday, bars are closed for you and the library's only open on mondays from nine to twelve. It probably doesn't sound "fair", but it's also not "fair" that these people can kill others - as they already provably have in healthcare settings with the elderly - without society throwing the book at them.
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Nov 20, 2021 10:04
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oikeus vapauteen perustuu yksilöllisten velvollisuuksiensa täyttämiseen. jos ei ole halukas täyttämään täysin rationaalista vaatimusta rokottautumiseen muiden suojelemiseksi, niin oikeuksien rajoittaminen ei ole mitenkään oikeusvaltioperiaatteen vastaista
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Nov 20, 2021 10:17
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Yeah, people shouting about restrictions being an attack on oikeusvaltio should also be advocating for abolishing drivers licenses and the like. You're not 100% guaranteed to kill someone if you start driving around a truck without any training, just like you're not 100% guaranteed to kill someone by not getting vaccinated and allowing the disease to remain strong in the populace and take up healthcare resources.
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Nov 20, 2021 10:22
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doverhog posted:Right now for example, unvaxxed corona patients are receiving so much health care resources that other patients with normal problems are being pushed off and will soon start to die, and in any case are suffering from their conditions. I would hope that the doctors are instead deciding to not treat unvaxxed covid patients that are in bad enough shape. Isn't the main criterion something like "years of non-horrible life left after treatment"? If you're unvaxxed and your lungs are already hosed up, the doctors may well decide that this person wouldn't get a good life even if they somehow survive and therefore other people should go first. But yes it's a lovely situation if they have to decide who gets treated and who doesn't. I think the doctors can handle it though
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Nov 20, 2021 10:59
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helvetti miten keskiluokkasia huolia taas
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Nov 20, 2021 11:00
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At least the law allows for mandatory vaccines. I want this shitshow to end so why the gently caress we are still waiting and wasting time and resources? "47 § Pakollinen rokotus Valtioneuvoston asetuksella voidaan säätää järjestettäväksi pakollinen rokotus, jos kattava rokottaminen on välttämätöntä väestön tai sen osan hengelle ja terveydelle vakavaa vahinkoa aiheuttavan yleisvaarallisen tartuntataudin leviämisen ehkäisemiseksi." Just make it mandatory, you loving pussies in hallitus/whoever is to blame. If COVID is not serious enough for mandatory vaccines, what would be?!?! What kind of monster disease we should have before making taking the vaccine for it mandatory? It is one of the most fastest spreading disease ever and it would kill probably hundreds of thousands of people in Finland if there was no treatment and care. Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 11:04
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en tiedä oletko yhteiskunnan laitapuolilla kulkenut mutta täällä on vitusti jengiä ketkä kokee hätää ja joille rokotus ei monimutkasista syistä ole mahdollista pakkorokotukset voisi ajaa ihmiset lopullisiin ratkaisuihin
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Nov 20, 2021 11:15
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Ihmemies posted:At least the law allows for mandatory vaccines. I want this shitshow to end so why the gently caress we are still waiting and wasting time and resources? On the other hand, the vax gives you big balls,.microchips, and death. Or so I've been told.
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Nov 20, 2021 11:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evbxiaofy1c This video is insanity. Also a big WTF at the cop stomping through the suspect's windscreen for no reason. Zat fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 11:19
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matti posted:en tiedä oletko yhteiskunnan laitapuolilla kulkenut mutta täällä on vitusti jengiä ketkä kokee hätää ja joille rokotus ei monimutkasista syistä ole mahdollista arvaa mikä kanssa vie ihmisiä lopullisiin ratkaisuihin koronaan tai muuhun sairaukseen kuoleminen koska nuijat ei ottanu rokotetta
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Nov 20, 2021 11:19
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en ole tavannut yhtään rokotekriittistä ihmistä joka ei kärsisi jostain muusta valmiiksi koetaan sitä empatiaa nyt vähän, plz
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Nov 20, 2021 11:24
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matti posted:en ole tavannut yhtään rokotekriittistä ihmistä joka ei kärsisi jostain muusta valmiiksi kokisin empatiaa enemmän jos ne ei vaarantais muita tyhmyydellään
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Nov 20, 2021 11:27
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matti posted:en tiedä oletko yhteiskunnan laitapuolilla kulkenut mutta täällä on vitusti jengiä ketkä kokee hätää ja joille rokotus ei monimutkasista syistä ole mahdollista
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Nov 20, 2021 11:29
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matti posted:en tiedä oletko yhteiskunnan laitapuolilla kulkenut mutta täällä on vitusti jengiä ketkä kokee hätää ja joille rokotus ei monimutkasista syistä ole mahdollista Voitko heittää esimerkkejä? Itselle tulee mieleen vain lähinnä paperittomat, haku päällä -tapaukset sekä esim. täysin erakoituneet. En siis itsekään ole pakkorokotusten kannalla, mutta ilman pakkoakin näitä ryhmiä olisi hyvä saavuttaa (ja sen takia pitäisi esim olla käytössä "ei tarvitse todistaa henkilöllisyyttä" -tyyppiset rokotukset, jos henkilö näin haluaa ja ymmärtää seuraukset esim. koronapassin kannalta). Mutta uskon hyvin että muunkin tyyppisiä tapauksia on, ja siksi oon ihan aidosti utelias. matti posted:en ole tavannut yhtään rokotekriittistä ihmistä joka ei kärsisi jostain muusta valmiiksi Osalle porukasta (ehkä) tässä olisi toisaalta ihan hyvä sauma saada jotain kontaktia esim. terveydenhuollon puolelle, mutta myönnän etten ole mitenkään syvällisesti näistä tietoinen, lähinnä omien duunien kautta tulee jonkin verran tavattua erakoita ja elämänhallinta hukassa -tyyppisiä ihmisiä.
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Nov 20, 2021 11:33
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Doubleposting in case someone wants to discuss "fun" news aside from koronajutut: If you want to do big crimes and only have tiny repercussions, break the ympäristölainsäädäntö: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12195672. I actually work in a field that's kinda related and hoo boy. Also not sure if this got discussed in the thread, but in a very surprising twist of events, the cops want to tap your phones and do other "tiedonhankinta" without a rikosepäily. Who could've ever seen this coming?
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Nov 20, 2021 11:41
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They probably have been doing it for a long time already, as is with every New method police want in their arsenal. Also it's not a personal choice when an asymptomatic unvaccined person can infect and possibly kill untold number of people. Both of my sisters have no health reasons for being unvaccinated but they are, and get deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole since since they are gullible people with low self esteem and listen to any bullshit as long as it comes from certain person(s). Other works in nursing and is an active danger to old people.
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Nov 20, 2021 12:14
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matti posted:en ole tavannut yhtään rokotekriittistä ihmistä joka ei kärsisi jostain muusta valmiiksi Yhteiskunta voi ottaa heidät hellään huomaansa ja hoitaa muita ongelmia samalla kun ratkaistaan rokotekriittisyyttä.
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Nov 20, 2021 12:37
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doverhog posted:All those are addictions that are hard to change. Getting vaxxed is not hard at all. Hahahaha how can someone be addicted to candy, cigs or alcohol??? Hahahaha just stop consuming them lmao 🤣 You're correct of course on those, but why do you think that people who have brainworms can be persuaded? In my experience they are so far off on Dunning-Kroger that reasoning doesn't work. These people can appeal to a need to more research after we can let specialists settle the safety issue. When you point to them that all virologists and epidemiologists agree that vaccination is safe for 12 yo and beyond and in any case it safer than getting covid-19, they will tell you about their sister in law who is a lähihoitaja.
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Nov 20, 2021 12:44
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Brain worms are hard to change too, but at least there is no chemical dependency with antivaxx. Society just has to reject some ideas, with force if necessary. Sharia law, antivaxx, nazism, etc. It used to be that uskomushoidot and antivaxx were relatively harmless crazies mostly hurting themselves. That's no longer the case.
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Nov 20, 2021 12:46
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Zat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evbxiaofy1c That's small potatoes compared to driving on cycle paths so fast you catch major air ramping off refuge islands. They were lucky no half deaf old lady was walking her dog on that path that day. In other news, it's good to see our science and education policies are driven by the right priorities, i.e. poon for farmer boys. Juha Pylväs in Ilta-Pulu posted:Keskustan Pylväs haluaa hajasijoittaa korkeakoulut, jotta maakuntien poikamiehet löytävät naisen
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Nov 20, 2021 12:47
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He's not wrong but lmao
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Nov 20, 2021 12:49
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It's a fantastic idea, our academic women should forget careers and become house wives of a pig farmer.
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Nov 20, 2021 13:02
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Andrast posted:kokisin empatiaa enemmän jos ne ei vaarantais muita tyhmyydellään Kokisin empatiaa enemmän jos niiden ongelmaa ei olis helppo ratkaista. Piikit olkavarteen, ruikuttakoot sen jälkeen jos niitä huvittaa. Kyllä se on oikeusvaltio silloinkin jos muille vaaralliset ihmiset otetaan pois kaduilta. Tai muuten ei tämä ole oikeusvaltio koskaan ollutkaan.
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Nov 20, 2021 13:15
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Seriouspost: Going off to study isn't the reason young women are leaving the forest, it's an excuse to get away from the young men who live in the forest.
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Nov 20, 2021 13:44
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endlessmonotony posted:Kyllä se on oikeusvaltio silloinkin jos muille vaaralliset ihmiset otetaan pois kaduilta. Tai muuten ei tämä ole oikeusvaltio koskaan ollutkaan. Tämähän ei päde esimerkiksi Väinö Tannerin oikeustuomiohin?
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Nov 20, 2021 14:08
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Mene nyt helvettiin Tannereinesi.
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Nov 20, 2021 14:10
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Olisipa hänkin mennyt!
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Nov 20, 2021 14:11
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Väinö Tannerin ois pitäny ottaa koronarokote
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Nov 20, 2021 14:34
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Andrast posted:Väinö Tannerin ois pitäny ottaa koronarokote Useampikin!
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Nov 20, 2021 14:36
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Uskonnonvapaus joo joo mutta ENTÄS PIISPA HENRIKKI?!?!?!??!!?
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Nov 20, 2021 16:10
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https://www.hs.fi/visio/art-2000008365726.html HS Visio has a vision: Elon Musk is the New Jesus I could not make up this poo poo.
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Nov 20, 2021 16:23
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loll it's by a Wolt founder
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Nov 20, 2021 16:55
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Letmebefrank posted:I could not make up this poo poo. PIF had a "Come up with a parody HS Visio heading" -thread awhile back, but they gave up when they couldn't come up with anything more stupid than reality anymore.
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Nov 20, 2021 16:56
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whats pif
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Nov 20, 2021 17:32
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matti posted:whats pif Piss Is Fancy
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Nov 20, 2021 17:34
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Seriouspost: Going off to study isn't the reason young women are leaving the forest, it's an excuse to get away from the young men who live in the forest. Many young people also like to be able to reach basic services like taking your kid to doctor without having to drive an hour. I for once welcome Kepu's version of The Handmaid's Tale if it shifts the demographics of lande so that Kepu will be erased for good, though 
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Nov 20, 2021 19:16
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jaete posted:I would hope that the doctors are instead deciding to not treat unvaxxed covid patients that are in bad enough shape. Isn't the main criterion something like "years of non-horrible life left after treatment"? If you're unvaxxed and your lungs are already hosed up, the doctors may well decide that this person wouldn't get a good life even if they somehow survive and therefore other people should go first. I don't think individual doctors are making those decisions. Corona has been a public health priority, for understandable reasons, and I've not seen anywhere that the kind of choice you are talking about here is actually being done.
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Nov 20, 2021 19:25
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I firmly believe HS Visio originally started out as a gag, but then some execs heard about it and now we're stuck with it.
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