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I sort of doubt tens of millions of Americans are in such lockstep ideological agreement that they are completely unreachable if you start giving them free poo poo. Constantly whining and virtue signaling about the big bad rascist republicans does not appear to be a particularly effective electoral strategy now trump is out.
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Someone negligently discharged a weapon in the Atlanta airport and caused a panic https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1462144358552162309 Found a video, nothing terrible but shows the panic. https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1462144113449615360
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Someone negligently discharged a weapon in the Atlanta airport and caused a panic the huge Delta hub? Must have been cool to be in a panicking crowd there (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DarkCrawler posted:I mean...honestly everyone here? All people not afraid to call themselves leftists or socialists? Thanks for the response. I personally think you're bindng us with sweeping sweeping generalizations that put people into easily definable boxes. It helps for conversation but not as a basis for individual perspective and action. Basically I am describing an individualistic approach, people talking to people. I feel like your approach, while suitable from an organizational pov (for an established coalition) is not enough. Removing individual people from your calculation will not bring success, in fact if that's your line I'd say you're the one slipping towards top down inhumanity (maybe even fascism!) Some of us are stuck reaching the people we're stuck with. Also seriously refusing to talk to a republican voter on the grounds they are fascists sounds like some self defeating bullshit. Why does your approach have to exclude mine? Your way forward seems predicated on villianizing a huge amount of average Americans and effectively what our country is and has been for a long time, but in an electoral sense. The fact that you're right is of little consequence if it does not deliver us the power we need to change things. Some Republicans i know are a lot more receptive to the idea that we are hurtling into doom in a real way than a lot of democrats I know are. The things we need to do will benefit them as well, again more than middle class conservadems. I am reaching people because I treat them like people, and that has to be a part of our solution. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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the_steve posted:Regardless of whatever their political leanings are, I'm pretty sure this line of questioning serves no purpose to any ongoing discussion. I feel like a person's political leanings are completely relevant to a discussion about politics on a forum about discussing politics. Personal life irrelevant to the topic would be more like what job a person has. Or what their favorite food is. Or hobbies. Just anything that's not related to politics, which "are you conservative or not" undeniably is.
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The Sean posted:I feel like a person's political leanings are completely relevant to a discussion about politics on a forum about discussing politics. That's only going to lead to "you're a conservative, why should I listen to you?" Just engage with the arguments that are presented to you. You can decide on your own if the arguments are conservative or not.
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Police may kill hundreds of dogs a year but if it's true that they honestly believed they saw those puppers holding a gun or reaching for their puppy pocket/waistband, I can understand their perspective even if I don't agree with it. There seemed to be no good outcome of that situation.
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VitalSigns posted:Police may kill hundreds of dogs a year but if it's true that they honestly believed they saw those puppers holding a gun or reaching for their puppy pocket/waistband, I can understand their perspective even if I don't agree with it. There seemed to be no good outcome of that situation. All the police officers clucked and shook their head when Trump called it retribution. If only he understood the guilt they now carried, they just feared for their lives.
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Kalit posted:So not even 1 specific example when you were insinuating that a lot of conservatives in Portland are just as much of a threat as Reinoehl? Right wing types have an extensive history of inciting and committing political violence in Portland. You frankly have no idea what you are talking about. https://twitter.com/RisingPDX/status/1462141476092067843?s=20
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Terminal autist posted:I sort of doubt tens of millions of Americans are in such lockstep ideological agreement that they are completely unreachable if you start giving them free poo poo. Constantly whining and virtue signaling about the big bad rascist republicans does not appear to be a particularly effective electoral strategy now trump is out. It's a good thing that the IIJA and the BBBA are giving out more free poo poo than has ever been given out in our lifetimes, then.
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Gumball Gumption posted:All the police officers clucked and shook their head when Trump called it retribution. If only he understood the guilt they now carried, they just feared for their lives. Remember when the cops who shot Tamir Rice falsified their police report once they realized he was unarmed. When the video came out showing them doing a drive-by and leaping out to execute him like they're Rambo or something, we still all had to nod very seriously and sadly when they said "uhhh butbut we got really scared when we were in the middle of drive-by murdering this kid, self defense!" and we had to cry along with them and go "oh you poor dears  case dismissed" through our tears because not believing them well that would have just been uncouth!
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How are u posted:It's a good thing that the IIJA and the BBBA are giving out more free poo poo than has ever been given out in our lifetimes, then. Again I must ask what the use is of comparing the bills to the past history of a country that has refused to do anything to help people instead of comparing to the level of people's current needs.
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How are u posted:It's a good thing that the IIJA and the BBBA are giving out more free poo poo than has ever been given out in our lifetimes, then. Maybe I'm projecting but I don't know there is any hope for democratic establishment to be the ones to foster a coalition of labor. The right is extremely poisoned against them and the left knows they don't even want to. Anybody low info enough to not immediately distrust today's democratic party will probably only know the benefits of these bills in relation to their SALT deduction or whatever. I think it has to be taken over from the ground up, rebranded. Nobody is going to buy "the new democratic party" with all the same old bastards still at the top. Not that they shouldn't do good things, it's just the well is poisoned even if they did have a change of heart.
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is pepsi ok posted:Again I must ask what the use is of comparing the bills to the past history of a country that has refused to do anything to help people instead of comparing to the level of people's current needs. They are going to meet some of people's current needs. Again, I must ask, are good things only worth doing if we do Some Good Things but not All Good Things at once? You are, quite obviously, welcome and entitled to your own opinion on the matter, but I would say that, personally, and this may just be me, but doing Some Good Things is preferable to doing No Good Things Because Doing All Good Things At Once Is Impossible At The Moment And If You Demand All Or Nothing You Will End Up With Nothing. Politics is the art of the possible, my friend. e: BRJohnson posted:I think it has to be taken over from the ground up, rebranded. Nobody is going to buy "the new democratic party" with all the same old bastards still at the top. Not that they shouldn't do good things, it's just the well is poisoned even if they did have a change of heart. No poo poo, dude. Taking it over from the ground up with a new generation of progressive Dems who demand real change has been the thing I've been advocating forever in this forum.
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BRJohnson posted:Thanks for the response. I personally think you're bindng us with sweeping sweeping generalizations that put people into easily definable boxes. It helps for conversation but not as a basis for individual perspective and action. I think my conception of the specific natures of all these people bears fruit and is represented at the insane economic and political systems that make everyone mad. I think it is also proven by polls, electoral results and the achievements of the people who ascribe into GOP and it's driving political philosophy, and the results are catastrophic. quote:Basically I am describing an individualistic approach, people talking to people. I feel like your approach, while suitable from an organizational pov (for an established coalition) is not enough. Removing individual people from your calculation will not bring success, in fact if that's your line I'd say you're the one slipping towards top down inhumanity (maybe even fascism!) Some of us are stuck reaching the people we're stuck with. It is the current approach and it achieves nothing. You seem to be claiming that you're proposing something new, when it is the status quo. My way is done by very few Americans. quote:Also seriously refusing to talk to a republican voter on the grounds they are fascists sounds like some self defeating bullshit. Why does your approach have to exclude mine? Your approach is a waste of time and money. Say you convince a Republican - do you think that would take less or more resources of any type that it would take say, to sign immigrants to voter rolls? quote:Your way forward seems predicated on villianizing a huge amount of average Americans and effectively what our country is and has been for a long time, but in an electoral sense. The fact that you're right is of little consequence if it does not deliver us the power we need to change things. Some Republicans i know are a lot more receptive to the idea that we are hurtling into doom in a real way than a lot of democrats I know are. The things we need to do will benefit them as well, again more than middle class conservadems. I am reaching people because I treat them like people, and that has to be a part of our solution. There is no villainizing when it is simply a description of reality. Each and every Republican has made moral decisions of such monstrous nature that clawing back a trustworthy socialist ally out of such a piece of poo poo is simply not worth it. Call it collectivism, communism or socialism, the most effective way forward in the challenges U.S. or the world faces necessitate not wasting breath on the enemies of the movement. There are enough people who have not been exposed to history's most effective plan to make white supremacy mainstream where the effort is better spent. If there ever was a lost cause, it's trying to normalize the GOP, at collective or indicidual level, and treating fascists as members of a society necessitates giving space to fascism. Even if that space is the confines of your own home. The planet is burning. No time for half measures. Non-violence does not necessitate giving space to fascism.
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How are u posted:Politics is the art of the possible, my friend. Policy is the art of the possible, not politics. If your policy becomes so shrunken and withered that, for many, it becomes indistinguishable from nothing, and that indistinguishable-from-nothing is all you can promise forever, then you're doomed to be playing political catch-up with fascist big lies forever.
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How are u posted:They are going to meet some of people's current needs. If the choices a system presents me with are doing nothing and doing woefully inadequate things I would reject that system as a false dilemma and I most certainly would not insist it is some kind of Candide-esque best of all possible worlds.
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I was giving a lesson on Presidential Powers and Non-Enumerated Roles to my students on Thursday. We talked about how the President often acts as a leader for the Legislature, especially when his party is in control of it, asking them to write and pass laws that he thinks would be good for our country even though he's not part of the same branch. Every period I had kids ask me for an example, so I brought up the Infrastructure and BBB bills that are going on right now, because they might have heard about them on the news. Not one kid knew anything about what was in those bills. Now, I want to be clear, these are not kids totally insulated of politics. I know because these same kids spout lines their parents tell them about how Joe Biden cheated and stole the election, among other Fox News Talking Points. So them knowing NOTHING about what these laws might say was a little surprising. I expected them to have some weird idea that they were full of Communism or whatever, but instead they just hadn't even heard they were a thing, despite it being a top story on the news every day for six months and knowing their parents are exposing them to that news in some form or another. I couldn't remember everything the bills contained, so just off the top of my head I listed three things I knew were in BBB: more money for green energy like Solar Power, free Pre-school for every American child, and 4 weeks of paid time off work for any parent who has a newborn kid. To say the response to just these three items was overwhelmingly positive is an understatement. Some kids didn't even believe that we didn't have free Pre-School already. Paid Family Leave got an especially pronounced response, because a lot of these 8th Graders have needed to be babysitters for infant siblings while their parents work night jobs. I think low information voters are going to notice a big improvement to their lives thanks to BBB assuming it doesn't face too much more butchery in the Senate. The only question is if they're going to give the Democrats the credit they deserve for it and therefore vote for them to protect those benefits when their media sources start force-feeding them a diet of how much those things they like need to be destroyed by election Republicans in 2022.
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BRJohnson posted:Your way forward seems predicated on villianizing a huge amount of average Americans and effectively what our country is and has been for a long time, but in an electoral sense. The fact that you're right is of little consequence if it does not deliver us the power we need to change things. Some Republicans i know are a lot more receptive to the idea that we are hurtling into doom in a real way than a lot of democrats I know are. The things we need to do will benefit them as well, again more than middle class conservadems. I am reaching people because I treat them like people, and that has to be a part of our solution. Yeah; I don't understand why it's fine for the Dem party, which we're all supposed to support, to persuade GOP voters & politicians but not the left. Terminal autist posted:I sort of doubt tens of millions of Americans are in such lockstep ideological agreement that they are completely unreachable if you start giving them free poo poo. Constantly whining and virtue signaling about the big bad rascist republicans does not appear to be a particularly effective electoral strategy now trump is out. It isn't effective, and overstretched hyperbole about These Are the Biggest & Baddest Fascists Yet ends up being counterproductive, as we saw with Youngkin's win. As far as an effective strategy for the left, I think the only way is to withhold votes from Dems until we get what we need & want, either by voting third party or just not voting for the Dem party. And yes, that means allowing the GOP to win elections! That means not buckling under to blame & shame games by Dems, nor buckling in to shoot-the-dog hostage poo poo. No more "we'll take 10 years to destroy the country instead of 5" and "perfect is the enemy of the good" crap. We've given the centrists decades to show us what they can do & not only is it not working, but it ends up getting us further away from leftist goals: federal subsidies to private insurers mask the cost of healthcare; tax cuts for wealthy homeowners means starving social programs that are desperately needed. And that's leaving aside how they themselves have thrown seats to the GOP bc of ineptitude and haplessness. Thanks to the centrists, we've already lost scotus to the right. Thanks to the centrists, economic inequality is at record levels. Thanks to the centrists, we've normalized kids in concentration camps, forever wars, and austerity policy--all in the name of These Are the Biggest & Baddest Fascist Yet lies propagated to generate electoral fear & the comforts of lesser-evilism. I say let's try something else: not reflexively following edicts like "vote in the primary with your heart; vote in the general with your brain" and instead drawing a line that says You're not getting our votes unless you start actuating our demands. It's worked for the right, and it can work for the left. eta: This is the perfect example of the mentality that needs to be defeated in order for the left to start winning: How are u posted:They are going to meet some of people's current needs. No, politics is the art of pretending what is possible while doing the least possible. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Man it's cool that the most directly impactful policy that the so-called art of the possible is set to produce in its generational achievement is a tax cut for rich people
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Willa Rogers posted:Yeah; I don't understand why it's fine for the Dem party, which we're all supposed to support, to persuade GOP voters & politicians but not the left. They love this double-standard Remember when Bernie got Joe Rogan's endorsement and this was proof that Bernie was a big ol racesexist because Rogan has some lovely reactionary views, and why only a horrible bigot would be liked by another bigot. But then Joe Biden has racist sexist pieces of poo poo like John Kasich and Rick Snyder endorsing him at the DNC, horrible people who unlike Rogan have actually had political power and used it deliberately to hurt millions of women and POC, and the same people applaud "Well! Isn't that nice how Biden has crossover appeal to respectable Bible-thumping Flint-poisoning Republicans like that!!"
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DarkCrawler posted:It is the current approach and it achieves nothing. You seem to be claiming that you're proposing something new, when it is the status quo. My way is done by very few Americans. quote:There is no villainizing when it is simply a description of reality. Each and every Republican has made moral decisions of such monstrous nature that clawing back a trustworthy socialist ally out of such a piece of poo poo is simply not worth it. You think there's enough non voters that will receive and embrace the message that America is the bad guys, and that they are too unless they cast out anybody who ever pulls for R. It sounds absurd to me. "Republicans" don't need me in their lives, shunning them is something I do for my own benefit when they are too enthusiastically evil. I'm not printing their loving newsletters and promoting their blogs what the gently caress. By your framing I say you're giving space to fascism by letting them continue to breath. Can I request a 6er so I can stop obsessing over how to convey that division of the masses is another tool we must take from the enemy (or current beneficiaries and perpetrators of an unjust unsustainable system, the ones with power who do nothing to fix it). BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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BRJohnson posted:Some Republicans i know are a lot more receptive to the idea that we are hurtling into doom in a real way than a lot of democrats I know are. Yeah, but what happens when you ask them WHY we are hurtling into doom? I bet its not climate change, or wealth hoarding, or rising hate crimes against vulnerable populations. Unless they think those vulnerable populations are white people and the rising hate crimes are Black Lives Matter protests. If the solutions you're offering them are the reasons they think we're hurtling towards doom, like greater diversity and inclusivity in society or socialism, how far are you going to get? VitalSigns posted:They love this double-standard Personally I thought that inviting those Republicans to the DNC to endorse Biden was EXACTLY AS lovely as Bernie and Joe Rogan. But I also think "Use Anti-Trump Republicans to get rid of Trump," is a more realistic and reasonable political strategy than "Use millions of right-wing voters who hate socialism to enact permanent socialism."
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There's a story from when the Black Panthers were active and giving out free breakfasts to school kids. A woman was asked, "Why are you accepting help from them? They're communists!" She responded, "I don't know what communism is, but it's keeping my children fed."
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Fister Roboto posted:There's a story from when the Black Panthers were active and giving out free breakfasts to school kids. A woman was asked, "Why are you accepting help from them? They're communists!" She responded, "I don't know what communism is, but it's keeping my children fed." Also reminds me of David Harvey's anecdote about how when he teaches Das Kapital at Harvard the students fight him tooth and nail but when he teaches it in prisons the response is "duh, doesn't everyone know it works this way?"
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Sanguinia posted:I couldn't remember everything the bills contained, so just off the top of my head I listed three things I knew were in BBB: more money for green energy like Solar Power, free Pre-school for every American child, and 4 weeks of paid time off work for any parent who has a newborn kid. Well think of it this way: now that your kids are aware of what was promised, they're going to learn a big lesson about Democrats whichever way it goes
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VitalSigns posted:Well think of it this way: now that your kids are aware of what was promised, they're going to learn a big lesson about Democrats whichever way it goes That teacher is going to get one hell of a karen moment as soon as one of those kids tells their chud parents about this because now you've crossed the line into INDOCTRINATING ARE KIDS WITH SOCIALISM AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!!
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HonorableTB posted:That teacher is going to get one hell of a karen moment as soon as one of those kids tells their chud parents about this because now you've crossed the line into INDOCTRINATING ARE KIDS WITH SOCIALISM AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!! If I got fired for using a current event as an example of a required civics concept, I'd welcome it. It'll make it much easier to get a job in a place that's not full of trumpist neo-nazis
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Kalit posted:My original point was this was both an understatement and a lie: dude the cops drove up, didn't announce themselves, and shot him to death. total time from initiating contact to him getting shot was zero seconds. he was dead a couple seconds later. if that isn't an execution idk what constitutes one This is the current version of events that even the government is acknowledging as what happened in the court cases around it. You really need to stfu or read up on what happened because it is extremely loving weird, even by the standards of our comically inept and malicious policing. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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HonorableTB posted:That teacher is going to get one hell of a karen moment as soon as one of those kids tells their chud parents about this because now you've crossed the line into INDOCTRINATING ARE KIDS WITH SOCIALISM AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!! And another one hell of a karen moment when the kids themselves see Democratic lawmakers for who they are & cross the line into never-Dem voters. eta iow: VitalSigns posted:Well think of it this way: now that your kids are aware of what was promised, they're going to learn a big lesson about Democrats whichever way it goes
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Byzantine posted:The Bolsheviks won because Russia destroyed itself in the World War. Kind of a reductionist take. I'd chalk it up to their opposition being like at least three distinct geographic groups. Didn't hurt that they used hostages to extort the better officers into sticking around either. They were quite ruthless and in the end that counts for a lot.
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Willa Rogers posted:And another one hell of a karen moment when the kids themselves see Democratic lawmakers for who they are & cross the line into never-Dem voters. I'm not sure how this would be a "karen moment," unless you're implying I would go off on a kid for saying they'd never vote for a Democrat, in which case you can gently caress off. Half of them already tell me that because their fashy parents brainwash them into thinking Democrats are evil. Part of my job is showing them the flaws in their pre-conceptions so they're open to new ideas, which I do my best to do without crossing the line into telling them what to think because I'm a professional and I care about doing my job well. How about you keep your cute little jokes about me to yourself next time?
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BRJohnson posted:Am I the worst communicator in history or do you honestly have no loving idea what I'm trying to say. I'm pretty sure I got what you are trying to say. I disagree on it being effective, when it is what the left has been doing since the 80s and it has failed. quote:You think there's enough non voters that will receive and embrace the message that America is the bad guys, and that they are too unless they cast out anybody who ever pulls for R. It sounds absurd to me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections Yeah, pretty much. There's a good 40% of people who don't vote. Even half of that would be monumental. They're far more likely to be receptive to leftist messaging. The left has resources but they are limited. I think there is plenty of evidence for an untapped electorate that doesn't suffer from brain worms. quote:"Republicans" don't need me in their lives, shunning them is something I do for my own benefit when they are too enthusiastically evil. I'm not printing their loving newsletters and promoting their blogs what the gently caress. By your framing I say you're giving space to fascism by letting them continue to breath. Shunning them is not beneficial to you only. It sends a wider societal message over what is available and what is not. You already do this to fascists that go too far for you, but voting for fascism is as much of an fascist action as blogging about fascism for me. I don't have a problem understanding where you come from, or the wider reasons for it, I simply disagree that it is an effective way to bring about leftism. I believe if we start stacking up leftists who went with my way with leftists who went with yours, the evidence of effectiveness would be on my side. There is nothing about antifascism that is incompatible with antiviolence, so no, their breathing is irrelevant. Again, it is sad that fascism is so prevalent in the United States, but it isn't the only country where it was allowed to thrive at individual and communal level (hell my country allied with Nazi Germany and holy poo poo our Civil War, though I guess that was more monarchism and proto-fascism). I just don't think people's family ties or friendships are worth the results then, or what is happening at present with the United States. The ones I cut off weren't. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude the cops drove up, didn't announce themselves, and shot him to death. total time from initiating contact to him getting shot was zero seconds. he was dead a couple seconds later. The line the cops have been pushing out for well at least the last 7 years that I've seen, but probably for longer than I've been alive, is that execution tactics are just a style choice and not to be questioned, and the actual act of execution itself is self-defense because they got scared in that instant. If 5 SUVs swerve wildly around the corner and try to run you down and you jump you are threatening them and they're fully justified to open fire.
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Sanguinia posted:Personally I thought that inviting those Republicans to the DNC to endorse Biden was EXACTLY AS lovely as Bernie and Joe Rogan. But I also think "Use Anti-Trump Republicans to get rid of Trump," is a more realistic and reasonable political strategy than "Use millions of right-wing voters who hate socialism to enact permanent socialism." Going to a klan rally and trying to preach love and respect is probably a waste of time, but I fail to see how that's "exactly as lovely" as inviting klansmen to your rally. As long as you're not abandoning your core principles there's nothing wrong with occasionally trying to reach across the aisle.
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Sanguinia posted:Not one kid knew anything about what was in those bills. Now, I want to be clear, these are not kids totally insulated of politics. I know because these same kids spout lines their parents tell them about how Joe Biden cheated and stole the election, among other Fox News Talking Points. So them knowing NOTHING about what these laws might say was a little surprising. I expected them to have some weird idea that they were full of Communism or whatever, but instead they just hadn't even heard they were a thing, despite it being a top story on the news every day for six months and knowing their parents are exposing them to that news in some form or another.
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The Monarch posted:Going to a klan rally and trying to preach love and respect is probably a waste of time, but I fail to see how that's "exactly as lovely" as inviting klansmen to your rally. As long as you're not abandoning your core principles there's nothing wrong with occasionally trying to reach across the aisle. Your metaphor is a reasonable argument, but I don't want any right winger of right wing on-roader to have any legitimacy or any platform. Joe Rogan enables fascism just like Republican Politicians like Kasich do, and I don't approve of Biden OR Bernie lending either group credibility, hence "exactly as lovely." The fact that Joe Rogan has a very large audience and is thus useful to Bernie's cause even if they're are ideological odds is the exact same logic behind the idea that letting a POS like Kasich into the DNC, and I don't approve of either.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:This actually doesn't surprise me because I imagine Fox News etc aren't covering the BIF/BBB at all. Covering them means needing to talk about what's in them, even to just call it "full of Communism" or whatever, and even the most negative coverage runs the risk of some chud looking up a summary of the bill and realizing it's full of things they want. Far better to pretend they don't exist, so that if and when it comes into effect the GOP can pretend the good parts were actually all their doing. I keep a couple of dumbass Republicans on my social media (who aren't totally awful) just so I see what talking points are making their way around the conservative internet, and the only one who has posted about the BBB hasn't said that it's full of communism or talked about any of the social spending that's in it, he's only complaining that the SALT cap is going to give tax breaks to the rich. So that seems to be the line Republicans are going with, not their usual 90s/00s strategy of whining about big government handouts, but going populist with it and talking up tax breaks for richies. Which I guess is pretty smart if Democrats are just determined to hand them a populist talking about on a (tax-deductible) silver platter.
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Willa Rogers posted:Yeah; I don't understand why it's fine for the Dem party, which we're all supposed to support, to persuade GOP voters & politicians but not the left.
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