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SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
I see that Grounded just got a big update, I am going to again do that thing where I ask the thread if that game is finished enough to start playing yet.

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Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

Flesh Forge posted:

tynan is a dorky tech bro about certain things, if you want the minutiae you can find writeups pretty easily:
https://kotaku.com/rimworlds-gay-women-controversy-explained-1788555928

more generally though, the older versions of rimworld were very much about "this is the experience tynan wants you to have" but in more modern releases he relaxed and added a whole lot of granular scenario customization options and the recent expansion adds some very heavy aesthetic and gameplay customizations based on what the player wants to do, vs what the game wants to do to the player.

e: a really big thing is the game's difficulty progression, i.e. by default the difficulty of threat incidents will continue to escalate (there is a cap, but it's a very high cap) because tynan's vision was to pressure the player to leave the planet and finish the scenario. it turns out a whole lot of players aren't interested in leaving the planet and just enjoy the colony sandbox. tynan resisted trying to accommodate that for years, only recently really letting go of forcing that on every player. numerous other aspects of this e.g. he added a low tech 'tribal' start option but barely supported it for years and it wasn't practical to play except in the easiest of biomes, now finally it's pretty reasonable to play and not some contemptuous afterthought

I completely forgot he was the weirdo who had to be cyberbullied into admitting that bisexual men and straight women exist lmao

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I see that Grounded just got a big update, I am going to again do that thing where I ask the thread if that game is finished enough to start playing yet.

I just started playing it and so far it seems pretty good. I got eaten by a spider and stink bug.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I see that Grounded just got a big update, I am going to again do that thing where I ask the thread if that game is finished enough to start playing yet.

Yeah I bought this game but never played past a lovely attempt to build a house because I found out some bugs show up and trash it unless you glitch the game by building it on an elevated spot you’re not supposed to. That made me lose interest. So would love to hear from the thread if the game is playable now.

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

Canuckistan posted:

Raft is on sale on Steam until the end of the weekend. I'll be picking it up.

I played this for a few hours with a friend last night and especially after how miserable my experience with void train was a few weeks ago raft absolutely slaps.

it's wild that everything void train tries to do is in raft but way better. I forgot that raft also had you burning resources to research, but it's one piece, once, and anything that needed it is one step closer to craftable. swimming out into the void to grab poo poo is just the hook but slower. even if I got to the point where I was building new cars up I don't see how it would compare to the creativity of building your raft upwards and outwards.

please play raft if you haven't it's just one of the best ones of these.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

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Kraftwerk posted:

Yeah I bought this game but never played past a lovely attempt to build a house because I found out some bugs show up and trash it unless you glitch the game by building it on an elevated spot you’re not supposed to. That made me lose interest. So would love to hear from the thread if the game is playable now.
It was worse than that, because for a long time (I assume this is fixed) any walls you built just wouldn't exist when you looked away. So if bugs were outside, and you turned around, they could just be inside, now.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Raft has a lot of ways in which it is dumb and bad and it used to have a lot more but man does it scratch a couple particular itches in a very satisfying way and I love that it just accepts that absurd things are possible when it comes and doesnt worry too much about them.

Meanwhile I've been playing stranded deep (on creative mode, which is still tedious but brings it about on par with the tediousness levels of most survival games) and dear god why is building your raft such a miserable experience???

Arven
Sep 23, 2007
I've been waiting for Raft to go on sale forever and now that it did I bought it for my wife and I. After playing together about 7 hours it seems like it's the perfect game to introduce someone to coop survival games with- it's simple enough that a novice can grasp all the concepts easily, but difficult enough that you never run out of things to do.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖
Any new or upcoming titles particularly stand out? Seems the genre's been a little quiet outside Icarus, which I still don't have high hopes for. I guess Breakwaters is coming out soon, but I've heard very little about that and I'm not even sure it fits the genre at this point.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

LonsomeSon posted:

My two cents on Tylenol Sylvester: once it was more than just him working on the game, it seems like one of the other folks managed to get through to him that he could change the scope and focus of the project without losing some part of his identity.

There was a LOT of insane poo poo going on back when, like a prefabbed pawn having a weird cyborg sex doll assassin backstory where she was raped a lot and out for revenge, and him praising Trump on his twitter and asking people to gently caress off with criticism. I guess someone made it clear to him that displaying his, uh, colourful personality was hurting profit margens, and the game improved from there.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
yeah some of the extremely gross backer-entered character backstories like Emmie :nms: "raped every day by dozens of men since she was a baby" :nms: were absolutely beyond the pale

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Flesh Forge posted:

yeah some of the extremely gross backer-entered character backstories like Emmie :nms: "raped every day by dozens of men since she was a baby" :nms: were absolutely beyond the pale

:wtc:

Is there a mod to disable that? Please let there be a mod to disable that.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
I did a search of file contents and that seems to have been finally written out. Not making that up though, that character was in there as I described her:
https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/List_of_player_created_adulthood_backstories_N_through_Z

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
That's a tough situation for a creator to be in though, I've been there. You've had someone give you a bunch of money, there's no easy way to refund them, and you're left regretting the idea that you offered to add user created content at all and struggling between doing what you agreed to do and some variant of telling them to gently caress off because you just didn't think this would be the sort of thing someone would submit. Not sure Tynan had a similar mental struggle but I wouldn't be surprised.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
it's not hard at all, you preface your agreement with "we reserve editorial control over whatever you submit" and you loving edit that poo poo

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
It's not hard at all if you think of that potential outcome in advance and you're good at dealing with social conflict, but a lot of folks don't and aren't. I certainly didn't think of it in advance the first time I did it (I definitely did every time afterwards) but I'm also a lot more willing to just tell people that 'no, I don't care about the money you gave me, this isn't happening do something else' and it was STILL tough.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Undertale had the obvious diaper fetish scaley backer boss. Toby just made it a super secret Easter egg you would never stumble into.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

GlyphGryph posted:

That's a tough situation for a creator to be in though, I've been there. You've had someone give you a bunch of money, there's no easy way to refund them, and you're left regretting the idea that you offered to add user created content at all and struggling between doing what you agreed to do and some variant of telling them to gently caress off because you just didn't think this would be the sort of thing someone would submit. Not sure Tynan had a similar mental struggle but I wouldn't be surprised.

Honestly I'd be like "No, My legal team has advised me that this may create rating and distribution issues in certain countries." "Can you please revise the following issues...."

Alternatively, "No, get hosed your pervert. Redo it....also try complaining...I'm sure 8chan will come to rescue you."

Sorry if I'm being OTT about fictional writing, but goddamn, that poo poo is hosed up and the idea of one being forced to include it is gross (not as much as the content of course). I'd also argue that Tynan in a situation like that, had far more leverage then the degenerate that submitted it. I mean they changed it in the end anyway. I don't have anything against Tynan as Rimworld is a cool game, and he seems to have embraced community ideas and other good stuff over time, but I wouldn't be shocked if he wrote it off as "free speech" or "the marketplaces demands" at the time. I'm not even someone who aggressively dislikes Libertarianism, but Tynan seems like a dude who might have be to the far side of Elon Musk at some point.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



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MazelTovCocktail posted:

Honestly I'd be like "No, My legal team has advised me that this may create rating and distribution issues in certain countries." "Can you please revise the following issues...."

Alternatively, "No, get hosed your pervert. Redo it....also try complaining...I'm sure 8chan will come to rescue you."
Or nip it in the bud by setting out basic standards for backer submissions in the first place. They wouldn't have to be complicated, just "no sexual violence/porn/creepy poo poo". Maybe along with a 'you will have one chance to resubmit or else you won't get a character and also you don't get a refund'.

Also I had the misfortune of stumbling upon Emmie myself and her rewritten backstory isn't really better:

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
well he's better than he used to be at least :shrug:
e: oh no I guess she's not written out after all!

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Haifisch posted:

Or nip it in the bud by setting out basic standards for backer submissions in the first place. They wouldn't have to be complicated, just "no sexual violence/porn/creepy poo poo". Maybe along with a 'you will have one chance to resubmit or else you won't get a character and also you don't get a refund'.

Also I had the misfortune of stumbling upon Emmie myself and her rewritten backstory isn't really better:


Oh I totally agree with you. I'm just talking about when you're stuck in a situation that has already occurred vs the planning stage.

Regarding the change well with that one could be assumed that the person was "engineered" (man I feel gross typing that) as an adult. Yeah, I know that's 1000% not likely to be the case, but man is that some nightmare fuel I'd like to not know.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
I've gotten Emmie in about 97% of my games too, she's like the most common backer pawn

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
let me clear up a misapprehension, that is the original text as I remember it, I paraphrased it. the meaning is crystal clear though.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

I also thought Emmie had been removed, I must have put her on the backer pawn block list

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

LonsomeSon posted:

I also thought Emmie had been removed, I must have put her on the backer pawn block list

Any others I should look to add?

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat
Almost done with Raft. I spent a long time just cruising around and building before I started the storyline, but after I got engines it was pretty much a beeline through the storyline and now I'm at the final Island. I could grind and build more, but I think I'll leave it where it is and play again once it comes out of EA. Raft was a lot of fun, especially at the start.

I'm trying Valheim co-op tonight, which should be fun.

VegasGoat
Nov 9, 2011

Any thoughts on the humble survival bundle? I already have Scum, Empyrion, and Dead in Vinland, all 3 of which I really enjoy(ed).

Are Breathedge, Die Young, How to Survive 2, or The Wild Eight any good?

The Bundle

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
How To Survive was pretty fun and well made, no opinion on the others

Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009
It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.
Breathedge is a mediocre game filled with bigoted 'jokes'

Parallelwoody
Apr 10, 2008


Breathedge tried to be Subnautica in space and badly missed the mark. It's not good.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
I was gifted Breathedge and tried to play. I could not for the life of me enjoy any aspect of that game. I feel bad that the gift went to waste.

lordfrikk
Mar 11, 2010

Oh, say it ain't fuckin' so,
you stupid fuck!
Extremely cringy humor and tedious gameplay.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Not that I'm even vaguely inclined to spend more money buying yet another version of Skyrim, but is its survival mode anything?

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Icarus https://store.steampowered.com/app/1149460/ICARUS/ is coming out in 13 days, and it has beta weekends every second weekend (this weekend is one) for people who've pre-bought it. So has anyone got it? Is it any good?

edit: just bought, will write something later.

edit 2: green hell is $6. Worth it?

redreader fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Nov 21, 2021

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007

redreader posted:



edit 2: green hell is $6. Worth it?

If you liked The Forest, very much yes. If you didn't play it, $6 isn't much to risk, and if you didn't like it, you probably won't like Green Hell either. It's a particular type of survival game that can be pretty punishing but is worth pushing through the steep learning curve, imo. The systems are detailed enough to be interesting, but not so much to be annoying. There wasn't a ton of discussion about it in the survival thread, but what was there was generally pretty positive.

I enjoyed it more in coop because you respawn on death rather than reloading your last save, but you have a lot of control over the difficulty and can just turn off things that you aren't finding fun.

edit: I forgot where I was and didn't realize this IS the survival thread. You may get better opinions or more detailed impressions than in the Steam thread, where I thought I was.

BrianRx fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Nov 21, 2021

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
This is I guess the last beta weekend, so I'm interesting in how the mission loop ended up working out for icarus, if anyone is playing that.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

redreader posted:


edit 2: green hell is $6. Worth it?

I’d say probably but not any more.

I watched quite a few play throughs and the game seems to be pretty hard core but the AI is (was?) absolutely poo poo and the areas are pretty linear.

It’s only $6 but if you are on the fence watch a few YouTube videos and it will sway you one way or the other.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I played icarus and it's ok but do not do the hunting missions as the first thing even when they say recommended level 0 and you're level 8.

Lots of ways to spend time but only the objective really counts. You drop in from scratch with nothing, build a shelter and harvest stuff to make your weapons, then do your objective and get back to the mission select, which is all there is on the ship. There is no reward for completing a mission either that I've seen. You need to build a hut to spend the night in, but every piece of the building takes a skill point to learn to build. There are lots of recipes to unlock and skills to buy. The only progression I saw is leveling up which gives you 1 point for leveling skills and 3 points for crafting recipes. I played it with two friends, it's fun but made me think of 7 days to die which has a lot more to it. It's very pretty though and fun enough. It could be great but right now I'm on the fence.

There was some tooltip about taking exotic materials back with you, presumably to do some kind of on-spaceship progression but I never saw any.

For survival, you need to manage food, health, water and O2 which you can get from hunting, eating, drinking and mining O2 rocks respectively. The only upgrades I've seen for weapons are wood then bone. I didn't see any armor at all although I feel like it's needed. I wonder what I haven't seen yet.

Edit: the enemies I've seen are just wolves and bears, and you can hunt them as well as fish and rabbits and deer. My friend and I went after a named wolf and it murdered us while getting only 1/3rd of its health taken off it by us.

redreader fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Nov 21, 2021

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

redreader posted:

edit 2: green hell is $6. Worth it?

I played through the campaign, and it's absolutely a solid and attractive looking survival game at that price. The enemies are dogshit but also so rare that who cares. The basebuilding is also threadbare.

What you do get is a really nice hunting and gathering experience and a sense of eventual mastery over a hostile but beautiful environment. Think of it as like a Forest-lite to tide you over until The Forest 2. For $6 dollars it's a steal.

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30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

redreader posted:

I played icarus and it's ok but do not do the hunting missions as the first thing even when they say recommended level 0 and you're level 8.

Lots of ways to spend time but only the objective really counts. You drop in from scratch with nothing, build a shelter and harvest stuff to make your weapons, then do your objective and get back to the mission select, which is all there is on the ship. There is no reward for completing a mission either that I've seen. You need to build a hut to spend the night in, but every piece of the building takes a skill point to learn to build. There are lots of recipes to unlock and skills to buy. The only progression I saw is leveling up which gives you 1 point for leveling skills and 3 points for crafting recipes. I played it with two friends, it's fun but made me think of 7 days to die which has a lot more to it. It's very pretty though and fun enough. It could be great but right now I'm on the fence.

There was some tooltip about taking exotic materials back with you, presumably to do some kind of on-spaceship progression but I never saw any.

For survival, you need to manage food, health, water and O2 which you can get from hunting, eating, drinking and mining O2 rocks respectively. The only upgrades I've seen for weapons are wood then bone. I didn't see any armor at all although I feel like it's needed. I wonder what I haven't seen yet.

Edit: the enemies I've seen are just wolves and bears, and you can hunt them as well as fish and rabbits and deer. My friend and I went after a named wolf and it murdered us while getting only 1/3rd of its health taken off it by us.

Wait... the survival game whose main innovation is time-limited missions comes out in 2 weeks, and they don't yet have rewards for completing the time-limited missions?

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