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GreyjoyBastard posted:I would very much like it if you would elaborate. Seems like a good topic for a small effortpost!
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A big flaming stink posted:Greyjoy you have to see why people are reluctant to effort post about anything that can be vaguely construed as pro PRC when the response is almost inevitably denigration and being ganged up on. Weird how people can be critical of the US while explaining it's functions all the time. I wonder what the difference is.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:07
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Despera posted:When did the Womens Tennis Association becone the US Governmentt? It is a private corporation founded (by a Phillip Morris executive who worked in Cuba) and headquartered in the United States, and as we’ve seen from the Snowden leaks and other stories, US corporations are at the beck and call of the US government — its intelligence apparatus in particular. So it may not be outlandish to consider them the same in practice. e: more in the Cuban cigar company, nothing specific but a little eyebrow raising: quote:
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Nov 22, 2021 02:07
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A big flaming stink posted:This is an incredibly bad post to make. Who are the tankies? who is saying US bad? What do you actually hope to accomplish with this post other than a sick burn that honestly is extremely tired and lame? You brought the US into this when it had nothing to do with the the topic
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Nov 22, 2021 02:08
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Weird how people can be critical of the US while explaining it's functions all the time. I wonder what the difference is. I legit have no idea what you are talking about or referring to
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Nov 22, 2021 02:08
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mawarannahr posted:It is a private corporation founded and headquartered in the United States, and as we’ve seen from the Snowden leaks and other stories, US corporations are at the beck and call of the US government — its intelligence apparatus in particular. So it may not be outlandish to consider them the same in practice. this is quite a stretch
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Nov 22, 2021 02:09
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A big flaming stink posted:Greyjoy you have to see why people are reluctant to effort post about anything that can be vaguely construed as pro PRC when the response is almost inevitably denigration and being ganged up on. Being pro prc is being pro genocide. Maybe rethink your stance rather than neg the mods
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Nov 22, 2021 02:09
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CaptainACAB posted:Or, the third option, which is that you have zero understanding of how China's legal system works and so do not understand that they have had laws against media influencing investigations since before Peng was born, and therefore they can't talk about it until the investigation is concluded. Sure, fill me in. Is Peng's retraction the result of China's legal system in action? Is an investigation underway into the rape itself? I find it hard to believe that it's illegal for Chinese media to report on or discuss investigations before they're concluded. Since uh, they seem to do it all the time. I assume you don't need me to google examples of "Government launches investigation into X" headlines from the state media.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:09
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I would very much like it if you would elaborate. Seems like a good topic for a small effortpost! I'm at work but I can post more relevant sections of the law later. However yes, China has laws specifically prohibiting the media from mentioning anything outside of general outlines of ongoing investigations out of fear that even well meaning press can still bias people one way or another, and it is in the best interests of everyone involved to let the investigation finish without salacious reporting such as you constantly see from the western media. When it comes to Peng herself, I do not know and will not attempt to guess any specifics but from reading her statement it seems this situation is nowhere near as cut and dry for anyone involved as the CIA would like you to believe. It would generally be sound legal advice for anyone, if making such accusations about a powerful person, to not post about it online.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:10
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:this is quite a stretch Why? One of the companies the founder worked for was used as a front for spying, after all. These kinds of things are possible, and corporations fall to government pressure all the time.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:11
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A big flaming stink posted:Greyjoy you have to see why people are reluctant to effort post about anything that can be vaguely construed as pro PRC when the response is almost inevitably denigration and being ganged up on. eh, I get it but pm me if an effortpost gets attacked with low effort CaptainACAB posted:I'm at work but I can post more relevant sections of the law later. I recommend treading lightly regarding the veracity of the accusation. I would legit appreciate some effort posting regarding the law.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:14
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All you need to know about China's legal system is it has a 99.965% conviction rate.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:15
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Despera posted:All you need to know about China's legal system is it has a 99.965% conviction rate. That’s about the same as Japan’s. What does that say about Japan’s legal system?
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Nov 22, 2021 02:16
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mawarannahr posted:Why? One of the companies the founder worked for was used as a front for spying, after all. These kinds of things are possible, and corporations fall to government pressure all the time.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:17
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GreyjoyBastard posted:eh, I get it but pm me if an effortpost gets attacked with low effort What the gently caress do you call this Despera posted:Being pro prc is being pro genocide. Maybe rethink your stance rather than neg the mods I'm not asking for you to probe my posting enemies, but is it any wonder this thread is so poo poo when such outright contempt is displayed towards people on one side of the discourse?
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Nov 22, 2021 02:17
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mawarannahr posted:That’s about the same as Japan’s. What does that say about Japan’s legal system? Very bad things. This is something that's been widely discussed elsewhere.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:17
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A big flaming stink posted:Greyjoy you have to see why people are reluctant to effort post about anything that can be vaguely construed as pro PRC when the response is almost inevitably denigration and being ganged up on. Should everyone just agree with you instead? Also, there's a difference between the PRC and the CCP.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:17
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mawarannahr posted:Why? One of the companies the founder worked for was used as a front for spying, after all. These kinds of things are possible, and corporations fall to government pressure all the time. Must be interesting to live in a reality where literally anything is possible, and literally every notion and outlandish claim should be entertained based on the most flimsy connection and insane leap of logic.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:18
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A big flaming stink posted:What the gently caress do you call this Fact: There is a genocide occurring in Xinjing Fact: The perpetrator of this genocide is the chinese goverment Fact: Supporting that goverment on this board is tolerated.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:19
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Despera posted:All you need to know about China's legal system is it has a 99.965% conviction rate. For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate. Federal governments overwhelmingly win cases they pursue in court.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:20
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mawarannahr posted:That’s about the same as Japan’s. What does that say about Japan’s legal system? That half the cases are dropped? Jesus wikipedia is hard
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Nov 22, 2021 02:20
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A big flaming stink posted:For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate. Of course you dont mention states, or the fact that china tried 1.2 million people
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Nov 22, 2021 02:22
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mawarannahr posted:That’s about the same as Japan’s. What does that say about Japan’s legal system? Japan's legal system is lovely, albeit for vastly different reasons. Prosecutors are extremely reluctant to ever have a loss on their records, which is why they rarely prosecute crimes without getting a confession. The end result is them dropping most cases that come across their desk. Denying legal council, having closed door trials, or arresting journalists for reporting on cases isn't really the issue. A big flaming stink posted:For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate. And only about 10% of US criminal cases are handled by those federal courts. In state and local courts, conviction rates range from 60-80% depending on the crime and locality. Excellent cherry-picking though, it's a shame I've seen CCP apologists do it before
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Nov 22, 2021 02:23
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These arent even the good CCP apologists
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Nov 22, 2021 02:25
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Epinephrine posted:Wait, are you actually meaning to insinuate that the Women's Tennis Association of all things is a CIA front? Let me clarify: any corporation (any organization, really) within the United States, any — not WTA specifically — is liable to be used as a tool by the US government. This isn’t specific to WTA; I only provided a weak example of the web of relations that tie companies and intelligence networks of capitalist countries together. I have no other knowledge of or opinion regarding the WTA, and I hope Peng sees whatever justice necessary be exacted.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:25
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Must be interesting to live in a reality where literally anything is possible, and literally every notion and outlandish claim should be entertained based on the most flimsy connection and insane leap of logic. Please do not insinuate insanity, it’s an extremely offensive personal attack that punches down at people with mental illness, like my literally autistic self who has been called that on account of my condition.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:27
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mawarannahr posted:Please do not insinuate insanity, it’s an extremely offensive personal attack that punches down at people with mental illness, like my literally autistic self who has been called that on account of my condition. You're not insane and I'm sorry if people have called you that because of your autism. I would say that believing that any corporation that does business in the United States is a potential CIA front is pretty conspiracy-minded thinking.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:30
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Potential CIA Front: Woman's Tennis Association.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:31
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Despera posted:Fact: There is a genocide occurring in Xinjing This isn't helpful.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:32
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Daduzi posted:This isn't helpful. I dont have to be helpful to genocide supporters. In fact id rather not be.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:33
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Despera posted:Potential CIA Front: Woman's Tennis Association. Is it hard to believe, and does not history show, that organizations are susceptible to government pressure (and receive things in return for it)? People say the same about all corporations in Russia being a FSB front. Aside from the revelations about the NSA, what do you think the 60,000 working under civilian cover in private corporations do?
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Nov 22, 2021 02:36
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People are throwing around a lot of numbers which usually I would question their source, however in this case it doesn't matter much given as there is still absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Peng is being detained, surveiled or harmed by the Chinese state. It doesn't matter though, if you're an enemy of the US, we can and will just make up whatever wild stories we like and the press will just accept them, as we have seen time and time again. I would ask people to post actual evidence of their wild assertions but since there is none, it's kind of pointless.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:36
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Daduzi posted:This isn't helpful. It's sadly true, however.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:36
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CaptainACAB posted:People are throwing around a lot of numbers which usually I would question their source, however in this case it doesn't matter much given as there is still absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Peng is being detained, surveiled or harmed by the Chinese state. Yeah says the guy who is certain that Jen Psaki is a mossad agent.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:38
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For those pointing out her photoshoot with her pet as evidence nothing is wrong then WHY would it be posted by state media and not her private account?
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Nov 22, 2021 02:40
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CaptainACAB posted:People are throwing around a lot of numbers which usually I would question their source, however in this case it doesn't matter much given as there is still absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Peng is being detained, surveiled or harmed by the Chinese state. But there's a ton of evidence, in which Peng being under government detention is the only rational explanation. Either that or that she randomly and coincidentally changed her mind, unprovoked, at the exact same time the government censored her and all discussion of the matter. And that Peng would be willing to scare the hell out of her fans and coworkers by vanishing in such a way as to give everyone the impression of being put under residential surveillance. Does this seem like a plausible scenario to you? I asked earlier but didn't get a response Also the government has widely censored all discussion of her accusation and the crime, which is pretty harmful! Do you disagree?
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Nov 22, 2021 02:42
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Despera posted:I dont have to be helpful to genocide supporters. In fact id rather not be. Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's sadly true, however. Not everyone who voices support of the PRC is a genocide supporter, just like not everyone who criticizes the CCP is an American shill. This thread is bad enough as it is.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:43
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Despera posted:Yeah says the guy who is certain that Jen Psaki is a mossad agent. Unlike the wild bullshit you post, it is a verifiable fact that Jen Psaki has taken money from Israeli intelligence. You can in fact find evidence of it from her own mouth. Not that you'd care, as your entire gimmick this far has been ignoring first hand evidence in favor of some poo poo so fantastical JRR Tolkien would laugh.
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Nov 22, 2021 02:44
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Daduzi posted:Not everyone who voices support of the PRC is a genocide supporter, just like not everyone who criticizes the CCP is an American shill. ooooh explain that to me.
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