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zoux posted:Assuming it never gets cancelled - How many 8 episode seasons would it take to get the whole thing done? I've only read through the book that has wolves in snow on the cover, and so long ago I can't recall which one that was. It had just been published. I'm kind of doing a reread now in between other books, just started book 5. the series has countless identical characters who don't move the main plot ahead. and sidequests that take whole books. if all that gets cut it could be done in one 100 minute movie in david lynch dune style
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zoux posted:That's like 2 books per season Yeah but a lot of the middle books are probably going to be heavily condensed
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jng2058 posted:I figured that once they went into the city, the Fade said "Welp. If you go into the city, it eats you. They went in, they got eaten, job's done, time to head home and get a drink (of fresh human blood). I figure that due to the layout of the city that it generally doesn't matter. It's a large city surrounded by water along a significant portion, and so long as Moiraine and Lan left via a different direction than they entered, which I think it can be safely assumed other entrances and exits like that break in the wall exist (otherwise there's no point going in in the first place), then the Trolloc army may just not have had the time to go around and be at any other entrances/exits to meet them. tsob fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 20:48
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ChubbyChecker posted:the series has countless identical characters who don't move the main plot ahead. and sidequests that take whole books. if all that gets cut it could be done in one 100 minute movie in david lynch dune style "Who taught you to fit your cadinsor slip fashion"
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Nov 22, 2021 21:01
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Cut out all the long rear end Shawn-Chan stuff and you can easily cut a season or two out of the shows planned plot line and also get to get rid of that whole bdsm damnae women in collars and cuffs which nobody needs to be reminded of the dregs of Jordan’s ideas in 2021
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Nov 22, 2021 21:01
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In case anyone wants them in a more convenient (though less pretty) format, I threw the X-Ray trivia bits from the first 3 episodes into a pastebin. There's some pretty interesting world-building nuggets in there regarding Whitebridge, The Stone of Tear, The Breaking of the World, Saidin/Saidar etc. that the show probably just wasn't ever going to fit organically into dialogue, along with some stuff on smaller topics like Wisdoms, the different towns in the Two Rivers and so on.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:04
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I think that's a strong first 3 episode offering. Most of the changes are fine to me since they're all for defined character motivation/trait setting. which makes some of the internal monologue nature of the books not so much a thing here which is a good adaptation trick I think. The pacing of the first 2 felt crazy fast and 3 was much slower so I'll be curious how much they actually get through in this first season. 8-9 seasons esp if they get a bit more of an episode or run time addition should be possible.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:07
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Eighties ZomCom posted:They had the LTT scene as a bonus in episode 1 though. Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure it'll be brought up in the show, but that exposition would've given the world more character in episode 1. Shame to hide it in bonus content.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:08
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ChubbyChecker posted:the series has countless identical characters who don't move the main plot ahead. and sidequests that take whole books. if all that gets cut it could be done in one 100 minute movie in david lynch dune style Toto soundtrack, gently caress yes.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Cut out all the long rear end Nah all of that stuff is super cool and interesting. But you should come talk about it in the spoilers thread.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:19
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zoux posted:"Who taught you to fit your cadinsor slip fashion"
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Nov 22, 2021 21:19
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shadow puppet of a posted:Cut out all the long rear end Shawn-Chan stuff and you can easily cut a season or two out of the shows planned plot line and also get to get rid of that whole bdsm damnae women in collars and cuffs which nobody needs to be reminded of the dregs of Jordan’s ideas in 2021 well, they have already removed the taint, so the rest of the rear end will probably follow
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zoux posted:"Who taught you to fit your cadinsor slip fashion" this is a top shelf post
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Here's a question for non book readers: do you have an inkling of which character is the Dragon Reborn (answers in spoilers natch) For readers: you think they got the nerve to change it zoux fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 21:29
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Show makes me kinda wanna read the books.shadow puppet of a posted:Cut out all the long rear end Shawn-Chan stuff and you can easily cut a season or two out of the shows planned plot line and also get to get rid of that whole bdsm damnae women in collars and cuffs which nobody needs to be reminded of the dregs of Jordan’s ideas in 2021 Then again... 
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Nov 22, 2021 21:33
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Show makes me kinda wanna read the books. probably not good to go off the intentionally twisted and half-remembered posting of someone who says they hate the series zoux posted:For readers: you think they got the nerve to change it no, there's literally no scenario where that would work and i don't know why people think they would
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I hate to keep beating this horse but maybe simply "no spoilers" in the thread title here instead of "no book spoilers" because the book barn thread starts off with "book spoilers", so having 2 threads contain the words "book spoilers" in the title probably isn't going to help clarify things as well as we'd lke
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zoux posted:Here's a question for non book readers: do you have an inkling of which character is the Dragon Reborn (answers in spoilers natch) I think changing it would turn off a significant proportion of book readers, despite most of the already-seen changes being fine.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One thing I've heard is that there's a really big difference if you're watching on an OLED screen vs. watching on other screen types. I've heard turning off motion blur does wonders as well if you have a high end TV and think it looks like poo poo
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Hexel posted:I've heard turning off motion blur does wonders as well if you have a high end TV and think it looks like poo poo Also "motion smoothing" or other versions of that "240hz true motion/motion interpolation" thing that a ton of TVs have on by default.
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Nov 22, 2021 21:52
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I am becoming more and more convinced that I am going to have my 32" dumb TV from 2010 for the rest of my life. It doesn't have banner ads, never requires software updates, and it doesn't do anything except except adjust brightness/contrast on the picture that comes in through whatever wire I tell it to.
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Tragically I'm traveling for Thanksgiving so my options are... Either watch on my POS 1366x768 laptop, or wait until I get home for my 1440p monitor  probably just gonna watch on this lovely laptop screen
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Nov 22, 2021 22:14
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More to explore on the show website: https://twitter.com/brother_Buddha/status/1462881152331616259?s=20
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CainsDescendant posted:Yeah but a lot of the middle books are probably going to be heavily condensed I think you could genuinely get Crossroads of Twilight done in a single episode.
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withak posted:I am becoming more and more convinced that I am going to have my 32" dumb TV from 2010 for the rest of my life. It doesn't have banner ads, never requires software updates, and it doesn't do anything except except adjust brightness/contrast on the picture that comes in through whatever wire I tell it to. I had fifteen people over to my house to watch this show last Friday night on my new LG c1 48" OLED monitor/tv. Ten minutes before showtime the screen went DEAD. No signal from the computer. I turned everything on and off again several times with no luck. Everyone staring at me while i'm rear end-up bent over the power cables trying to check all the connections for ten minutes With like a minute to go I figured out the issue was that the receiver I had the signal routed through had gotten bumped and changed a setting.
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Has anyone seen any early visible anger from the GoT show fan collective? That is my biggest hope for TVWoT. That improves over time and is competently showrun to a satisfying finale. Would be real nice to see those people go berserk once more over what could have been and what they got instead. Would be doubly good if they could cast Mark Addy into some scene stealing role later down the line.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Has anyone seen any early visible anger from the GoT show fan collective? That is my biggest hope for TVWoT. That improves over time and is competently showrun to a satisfying finale. Would be real nice to see those people go berserk once more over what could have been and what they got instead. Would be doubly good if they could cast Mark Addy into some scene stealing role later down the line. So far just a lot of critics going "this is no Game of Thrones" and well this guy i posted earlier https://twitter.com/Julian_BGPB/status/1462765277284814849?s=20
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I’d much rather this show be punctuated by constant unexpected scenes of Lan letting his Malkier Flagstaff fly two feet from everyone’s face like he did in the not quite hot tub scene than having anymore more needless rote boob scenes. He totally could have canted his hips the other direction going in but relished the moment instead going right over left.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Has anyone seen any early visible anger from the GoT show fan collective? That is my biggest hope for TVWoT. That improves over time and is competently showrun to a satisfying finale. Would be real nice to see those people go berserk once more over what could have been and what they got instead. Would be doubly good if they could cast Mark Addy into some scene stealing role later down the line. GoT fans are either fantasy nerds who dig WoT as well or normies who don't give a poo poo about fantasy otherwise so don't even have the show on their radar
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shadow puppet of a posted:Has anyone seen any early visible anger from the GoT show fan collective? That is my biggest hope for TVWoT. That improves over time and is competently showrun to a satisfying finale. Would be real nice to see those people go berserk once more over what could have been and what they got instead. Would be doubly good if they could cast Mark Addy into some scene stealing role later down the line. I don't think there's anything to really engender rage from thrones fans (Any that will admit to being such, if there are any left....) but especially not because Wheel of Time doesn't really get exceptionally good until like book 4/5/6 and then the ending from 12 onwards. So, basically, the exact opposite of Thrones, which started out fantastically, but ended in, well, lol.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Has anyone seen any early visible anger from the GoT show fan collective? That is my biggest hope for TVWoT. That improves over time and is competently showrun to a satisfying finale. Would be real nice to see those people go berserk once more over what could have been and what they got instead. Would be doubly good if they could cast Mark Addy into some scene stealing role later down the line. https://old.reddit.com/r/whitecloaks/comments/qy7vcs/i_look_forward_to_this_sub_becoming_the_new/ They're out there
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Episode 3 was losing me in the first half. Kind of boring, and I do NOT like Mat making comments like 'you're funny now? that's a new wrinkle' to Rand's little joke. Just put the joke in the script and leave it loving uncommented on you hacks. He's done this several times now as the designated Marvel character and I want it to end. Then the barmaid was revealed as evil and it kind of saved it, because I didn't see it coming. Actually thought she was about to become a main character and join them so that was a decent misdirect. Perrin and Egwene's sidestory was boring, and I don't like the traveller group they've ended up with so far, so hopefully that ends soon. Rand, Moraine and Lan (len? the warder) are my three favourites so far and this episode was light on them in favour of the ones I don't like as much. It picked up though. Even if the writing does sag and do things I don't like at times, the plot is moving along nicely. Looking forward to the next ep. zoux posted:Here's a question for non book readers: do you have an inkling of which character is the Dragon Reborn (answers in spoilers natch) Right now I think it's either Rand - because he's the most focused character and seemed to show super strength in this episode - or Perrin, because Perrin seems like the least likely. I don't think it's Egwene because she's got other paths, and I don't think it's Mat because he's neither the least or most likely. I think Rand's the best actor/character of the four so far, so I'm also just kind of hoping it's him. I also think since in this world magic is women only, it won't be a woman. That barmaid said she saw the five of them, though, so maybe it's Nyaneve or something. Really, though, I'm not thinking about that too much. When the characters start talking about the dragon reborn or the dark one I just think, you really couldn't have come up with some better names for this bullshit? roomtone fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 23:53
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there's a lot of alternate and more interesting names and titles for characters and whatnot that haven't really been touched on yet because they're not relevant at the moment, they're pretty much just using the most basic things as they ease you into it. the series started in 1990 and has a whole unturned heap of background lore the show hasn't touched on as of this moment so mostly i would just say to give it time on that front.
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roomtone posted:Really, though, I'm not thinking about that too much. When the characters start talking about the dragon reborn or the dark one I just think, you really couldn't have come up with some better names for this bullshit? "The Dark One" is people speaking about a Satanic figure in generic terms; there are actual names for it that haven't come up as of yet. Dragon or Dragon Reborn is a generic name, but it's the kind of generic name people do use and not something cliche to the character or what they actual do or are within the story either. It's also just one name people have for the figure in that particular geographical area and culture. There are plenty of others that are more fantastical later on as the scope of things expand. tsob fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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yeah that's fine i'm just saying they're very generic names to be using so often in the early going. GOT rambled about dragons constantly, skyrim, blah blah - i'm sick to death of the word dragon! the dark one is the name of a ps1 rpg villain. if it's baked into the books that they use these words instead of alternative names which they all get at some point, then that's a shame. the dialogue is struggling to mix naturalistic and prose styles already, then you throw these goofball names and it stops feeling real to me. it's not a huge deal, really. they're just names. i just feel like they aren't putting their best foot forward by having the lore be so generic on the surface, when i can already tell the lore of the world isn't going to be generic based on the various ruins and the shadow city which was very cool.
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roomtone posted:. When the characters start talking about the dragon reborn or the dark one I just think, you really couldn't have come up with some better names for this bullshit? Johnny Joestar posted:there's a lot of alternate and more interesting names and titles for characters and whatnot that haven't really been touched on yet because they're not relevant at the moment, they're pretty much just using the most basic things as they ease you into it. the series started in 1990 and has a whole unturned heap of background lore the show hasn't touched on as of this moment so mostly i would just say to give it time on that front. Past that though --- End of the day this was written in 1988/89 and it's gonna be cheesy sometimes and it's not gonna apologize for that. Like, that's what this is. Embrace it. https://twitter.com/emmacarstairsgf/status/1461734968632262658?s=20
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This is a spoiler question I guess, but will we get to see a make channeler at some point? I'm curious to see if that looks different from what we saw earlier.
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it's primarily just that there's a lot of context based on geographical region, time periods and cultures, and we've only been exposed to what is basically Backwoods, Nowhere in regards to everywhere else, so the terms they use for things aren't universal and specifically something like 'the dark one' is probably most akin to people trying not to draw the attention of fantasy satan by saying anything more detailed. but yeah it's also kind of an old series in the grand scheme of things so a lot of this stuff wasn't like as stretched out as it is now. for reference, the first game of thrones book didn't even come out until 6 years after the first wheel of time book did.Zazz Razzamatazz posted:This is a spoiler question I guess, but will we get to see a make channeler at some point? I'm curious to see if that looks different from what we saw earlier. it's not much of a spoiler to say this, but yeah, you're going to get opportunities to see men channeling. the magic is pretty deeply ingrained in the setting so you'll absolutely get your fill in all forms.
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roomtone posted:it's not a huge deal, really. they're just names. i just feel like they aren't putting their best foot forward by having the lore be so generic on the surface, when i can already tell the lore of the world isn't going to be generic based on the various ruins and the shadow city which was very cool. Well, keep in mind it was originally written to have a fairly generic start to draw in audiences with something familiar. It feels rote, because it's intentionally aping Lord of the Rings for the first book. It starts to form its own identity after that, but the start is going to have to deal with how Jordan wrote it, for better or worse Zazz Razzamatazz posted:This is a spoiler question I guess, but will we get to see a make channeler at some point? I'm curious to see if that looks different from what we saw earlier. You see one caught at the end of the third episode, so yes.
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