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They're not wrong that members of Congress get better health care than the average person, because they are rich, important people who are given priority in treatment and can afford the best doctors in the country. If Mitch McConnell fell down the stairs and broke his leg, he wouldn't sit in the ER for half an hour waiting for a bed to open up like the rest of us would. It just seems like people who post those memes think that somehow this treatment is being paid for with ARE TAX DOLLARS and that members of Congress are getting rich from their salaries, not because of massive bribes and gifts from corporations or just being independently wealthy before they even enter Congress.
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Medullah posted:
My favorite part of this is it was during the Obamacare kerfuffle, and Republicans thought they were being clever putting a poison pill "Congress MUST use Obamacare exchanges for insurance"  And then the Dems called their bluff and for a while Congress and staff were the only ones mandated by law to use the exchanges
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Twelve by Pies posted:
 Yep, same people that post this one.
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Much like a lot of how the US government functions the founding fathers had a good idea but failed to see the consequences of it. Having average pay for being a member of the government makes sense on its face because you don't want people becoming politicians because they want to use it to get rich. This is a good idea. The problem was how election campaigns became bloated so that only independently wealthy people, or candidates that will bow to the whims of wealthy people can afford to run for office, and how not getting paid much leads to corruption when someone will pay them big bucks to support their pet issues.
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Medullah posted:
Except uhh...almost everyone who runs for office actually does release their tax returns so...?
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Conservatism is a slowly moving goalpost that just lags behind societal norms. In short, you become a conservative if you don't change your opinions for 30+ years. Or you fall down the YouTube abyss, whichever comes first.
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BiggerBoat posted:I guess I'll put this here since so many of the memes/FW>FW>FW poo poo cover it and it's on my mind a lot. Years ago I read an essay essentially about the fact that conservatives eventually always lose and afterwards forget that they ever fought in the first place. Once they lose on an issue it just kind of drifts off into the bin of history.
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While I share there sentiment, I think you’re making a mistake in thinking that conservatives really internalize and normalize changes. I’d posit they feel threatened and exhausted by constant ‘woke’ changes that do nothing but inconvenience their lives for no apparent benefit - after all, things were fine before for them. Part of the ‘problem’ is that there is never enough ‘wokeness’, so they do feel validated in their slippery slope arguments. You’ll think “no poo poo - there’s always more injustice to be tackled”. But if you start with the premise that those are actually no big deal, it’s just a never-ending assault on normalcy from their point of view. That’s where their victimhood comes from, and why it’s subjectively very real. At best, old conservative views are being repressed as they becomes no longer socially acceptable in a wider circle. Before the internet, you maybe could argue that over time and being isolated, these views would diminish into irrelevance. Easy as it is to find echo chambers that can reinforce any harebrained idea and isolate you from reality, even that process no longer works, now that they can find any number of like-minded folk that will validate their conservative views. The resurgence of open bigotry in the wake of Trump should have made clear to all of us that bigotry of all kinds is alive and well, while the suppression mechanism we’ve been counting on is broken due to social media. Conservatives do not want change. They are creatures of the status quo in society, and want to preserve it. Change the status quo, and you can at best subsume them to pay lip service, while privately grumbling about how the world is going to poo poo.
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I think most conservatives just tell themselves they won and then convince themselves that this is just how winning looks. See: "Trump totally drained the swamp and had immigration and gas prices well under control."
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Local Weather posted:Years ago I read an essay essentially about the fact that conservatives eventually always lose and afterwards forget that they ever fought in the first place. Once they lose on an issue it just kind of drifts off into the bin of history. For many of them everything exists only in the current moment. It's why they sometimes engage in incredible hypocrisy within a single statement or even sentence. When you boil it down it has everything to do with I Am Right And You Are Wrong. Things that prove them wrong either never really happened or they didn't have that view in the first place or that was different than what they were talking about, or that somehow people cheated or any other of a seemingly infinite number of dodges. Part of it is because for many of them they don't really stand for anything, just against things.
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when someone’s identity rests on not understanding some things, it’s very hard to make them understand those things also: the cruelty is the point. if the modern sissified world stops you from doing all the cowboy poo poo you imagine you could do otherwise, there are at least uniformed thugs to do the violence you feel is your right. if you live in the US there are dozens of different kinds! you can back them like sports teams
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the_steve posted:I think most conservatives just tell themselves they won and then convince themselves that this is just how winning looks. Even if these things don't get done under a Trump, it's still the stated intention that matters to people.
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PhazonLink posted:if "the modern sissified world stops you from doing all the cowboy poo poo", doesnt that mean those sissies are more powerful than you? 
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PhazonLink posted:if "the modern sissified world stops you from doing all the cowboy poo poo", doesnt that mean those sissies are more powerful than you? *jerking off motion as I explain how it's actually not my fault because of cancel culture or political correctness*
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morothar posted:
To an extent (and that was a good post btw) but they want to change a lot actually - almost always for the worse. Off the top of my head: Abortion laws, mandatory school prayer, rapid and vigorous application of the death penalty, dropping nukes indiscriminately on any nation that fucks up or gets in our way, mandatory drug tests for UIE, EBT and welfare receivers...open and concealed carry laws, immigration law, open oil drilling anywhere Exxon feels like it, litmus tests for judges, tort reform. Theocratic (christian) government. I've heard a lot of conservatives argue for mandatory school uniforms, mandatory military service (poo poo, mandatory GUN OWNERSHIP) and abolishing/privatizing social security. I realize that some of those things I listed are reactions to changes that have already been made but a lot of those are decades and/or centuries old. After I typed this out though, I realized that you're right and a lot it is "getting back to the old days".
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BiggerBoat posted:I realize that some of those things I listed are reactions to changes that have already been made but a lot of those are decades and/or centuries old. After I typed this out though, I realized that you're right and a lot it is "getting back to the old days". Yeah, I would’ve said you’re describing rubberbanding and proxy issues. In other words, the status quo they yearn for is sticky (may even be an idealized version that never existed, but some amalgam). And most things I feel are proxies: it’s not so much abortion, it’s putting women in their place. It’s not so much school uniforms, but putting the youth in their place. It’s not so much religion, but putting ‘others’ in their place.
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Being a conservative inherently means being a reactionary. It's less about what you want and what you are trying to stop from happening.
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As shown by The Daily Show ages ago, conservatives desperately want to return to the world of their childhood, because they were completely ignorant of all the problems in the world. The world "made sense" to them because they had no responsibilities and nothing they needed to care about outside of staying out of trouble with their parents. There's also the heavy propaganda being pushed in the mid 20th century about the evils and dangers of communism, and that as long as we stay a free market capitalist society everything will be perfectly fine. So when they become adults and realize oh poo poo, there's horrible things out here in the world, and everything sucks, it's because this political party saying "Hey we need to fix the problems in society" is causing them all, and the political party saying "We want everything to go back to the way it was in the good old days" will save us.
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PhazonLink posted:if "the modern sissified world stops you from doing all the cowboy poo poo", doesnt that mean those sissies are more powerful than you? that's where "it's very hard to make them understand those things" comes in. the violence done by police and military forces to Others is the point, the "modern sissified world" which won't let you hold slaves and get in gunfights while driving is the internal excuse for why the violence by proxy has to be enough the observation about proxies is very apt. from my perspective what i'm saying is that repressing others is the entire point, and all the justifications which are deployed semantically as being the reasons for why the repression is cool, good, and needed both come later and are ultimately disposable smokescreens rather than anything close to principled positions
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Amazing how far daddy's emerald money can go these days, isn't it?
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so is the guy there suppose to be the owner of the underwater queer basket weaving? or is he Da Truther Tell that makes mad money* as a social media influencer?
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It's always gender studies.
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Emerald elon used apartheid bux to accelerate the creation of the matrix. A model for all right wingers to follow. I mean how else will they get their fortunes other than the backs of people willing to watch their frothing at the mouth fascism
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Forceholy posted:It's always gender studies. Gender studies is worthless! Also, I'm very confused and angry about how I perceive gender in society and class politics, but consider my perspective "common sense"
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Brawnfire posted:Gender studies is worthless! Also, I'm very confused and angry about how I perceive gender in society and class politics, but consider my perspective "common sense" Anti intellectualism at its finest
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Not to mention, the degree in Gender Studies is ostensibly for a job or career of some sort. Investing in Tesla was basically just buying lottery tickets and getting lucky enough to hit the jackpot.
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Shhh he worked hard for his daddy’s money.
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 Yes, that's definitely the meaning behind Squid Game.
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but I have a 3rd and 4th job and dont have time to sleep or cook healthy meals and still have no money and
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TinTower posted:
I read it as a threat
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TinTower posted:
Squidgame grindset
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Medullah posted:
Christmas' war of aggression has overrun Halloween and defending forces have retreated to the Labor Day redoubt. I only hope the Christmas in July fifth column doesn't approach from the rear.
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Nth Doctor posted:I only hope the Christmas in July fifth column doesn't approach from the rear. The southern hemisphere has already fallen
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the_steve posted:Not to mention, the degree in Gender Studies is ostensibly for a job or career of some sort. Viewing education as an investment akin to the stock market is a goddamn travesty. Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on literally everything. NO NOT LIKE THAT DONT REPLACE THE DOLLAR SIGNS WITH BITCOIN SIGNS gently caress YOUUUU
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Orange Devil posted:Viewing education as an investment akin to the stock market is a goddamn travesty. Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on literally everything. I think that's unfortunately the only way to relate to these dumb assholes, though then again they can't even get on board with investing in our infrastructure which is literally what the economy runs on.
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