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CyberPingu posted:Isn't it pretty un-Raiola like to let his clients leave on free's as he doesn't get a cut of the next transfer sale...if that's even a thing. The reverse, he gets a massive cut of the new contract and he negotiates enormous bonuses for himself on signing. Raiola's clients leaving on frees is very much in his interest.
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the sex ghost posted:Also nobody make any jokes about any historical instances of this happening to my team because they're not funny, thanks Are we still allowed to use the term "doing a Leeds"
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Nov 23, 2021 14:26
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the sex ghost posted:Also nobody make any jokes about any historical instances of this happening to my team because they're not funny, thanks *Chuckles in Daniel James*
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Gigi Galli posted:The reverse, he gets a massive cut of the new contract and he negotiates enormous bonuses for himself on signing. Raiola's clients leaving on frees is very much in his interest. Fair enough. I thought agents got a cut of the transfer fee too.
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Nov 23, 2021 14:33
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an_mutt posted:it's a thing of beauty Sanchez was worse imo.
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Nov 23, 2021 14:43
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Maguire was worse
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Nov 23, 2021 14:50
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Di Maria surely.
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Nov 23, 2021 14:53
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CyberPingu posted:Maguire was worse Nah, outside of his complete post-euros meltdown Maguire is a rock solid player and will continue to be once someone screws his head back on. Especially if Varane can stop exploding. Did they overpay? Sure, 80mil was a lot but he would easily have been worth 60mil or whatever.
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the worst transfer ever is now, and will always be, that guy who was literally not even an actual footballer who got a contract with ...southampton...? because he called souness and said he was george weah's brother and you should sign this guy right away also pogba is probably in the top 5 most talented players i've ever seen and it is kind of tragic he's suck a huge flake
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I think Nicolas Pepe is up there as one of the worst transfers ever. £72m and he's utter garbage.
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Nov 23, 2021 14:59
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Pogba just needs more time/space on the ball than he'll ever get in the premier league. He looks amazing for France because international football is a lot slower. Having Kante next to you obviously doesn't hurt, but even when Pogba isn't asked to play in a pivot he gets pressured into losing the ball way too often.
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CyberPingu posted:Fair enough. I thought agents got a cut of the transfer fee too. Sometimes they do, but I think more often than not they get a separate agent fee or a cut of the signing bonus, and both of those tend to be significantly larger for free transfers because the signing club have more cash to spend since they don't have to pay a transfer fee. Somebody like Pogba leaving on a free and sparing the signing club a nine-figure transfer fee probably means the agent is gonna get like eight figures as a reward.
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Mickolution posted:He's on a free in the Summer, isn't he? Yep so they really need to offload him in the winter window
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TheRat posted:Nah, outside of his complete post-euros meltdown Maguire is a rock solid player and will continue to be once someone screws his head back on. Especially if Varane can stop exploding. Did they overpay? Sure, 80mil was a lot but he would easily have been worth 60mil or whatever. I have to agree that Maguire is usually solid but not £80mil worth of solid - although with PL transfer fees these days £80mil isn't what it used to be.
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Nov 23, 2021 15:35
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Part of being good is being consistently good and Pogba’s never been that in a decent league. In short, he is overrated and, ultimately, shite.
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Nov 23, 2021 15:47
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Andoman posted:I have to agree that Maguire is usually solid but not £80mil worth of solid - although with PL transfer fees these days £80mil isn't what it used to be. lol he's the most expensive defender of all time
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Andoman posted:I have to agree that Maguire is usually solid but not £80mil worth of solid - although with PL transfer fees these days £80mil isn't what it used to be. Love2pay a world record fee for a guy who cant marshal a defense.
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CyberPingu posted:Love2pay a world record fee for a guy who cant marshal a defense. I don't disagree with the sentiment but I don't think he is complete rubbish either. Totally not worth the highest valued defender tag for sure.
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maguire would be great if he had a guy like VVD constantly yelling at him where to go, and glowering angrily at him when he does not that'd be one expensive backline though, ayeeee
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CyberPingu posted:Love2pay a world record fee for a guy who cant marshal a defense. If they made him a crossing guard at a school kids would die every day.
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bewbies posted:maguire would be great if he had a guy like VVD constantly yelling at him where to go, and glowering angrily at him when he does not The problem is is that they paid the enormous fee for him to be VVD
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CyberPingu posted:The problem is is that they paid the enormous fee for him to be VVD That's ultimately not Maguire's fault. United probably should have figured that getting him meant not being able to do a big stylistic shift from what Mourinho had in mind, but Maguire is good in the right setup and with the right coaching. He was great at Leicester.
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Eric Cantonese posted:That's ultimately not Maguire's fault. United probably should have figured that getting him meant not being able to do a big stylistic shift from what Mourinho had in mind, but Maguire is good in the right setup and with the right coaching. He was great at Leicester. maybe the success there and the pricetag has gone to his head
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Karl Sharks posted:maybe the success there and the pricetag has gone to his head no pricetag is big enough to get to his enormous head
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CyberPingu posted:Love2pay a world record fee for a guy who cant marshal a defense. They also almost immediately made him their captain just to make sure nobody else would marshal the defence by yelling at him
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vyelkin posted:They also almost immediately made him their captain just to make sure nobody else would marshal the defence by yelling at him That was a big mistake for sure - its obvious looking at their last few performances that he is not the leader they need on the pitch. That said, they are not over indexing on leadership throughout the rest of the team either.
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maguire is poo poo and anyone who says otherwise is probably his gran's alt account. you could go to la liga or serie A and find ten better central defenders that no one's ever heard of who don't have the turning speed of an aircraft carrier pogba on the other hand is clearly a baller who just gets played out of position. he absolutely can't hold the ball in midfield to the standard of the premier league. he might suffer from being as tall as he is, i reckon if he was shorter he'd be a winger or an inside forward EC10 fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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neither of them can be considered a worse signing than arsenal's record breaking transfer and inexplicable captain, Xhaka
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EC10 posted:neither of them can be considered a worse signing than arsenal's record breaking transfer and inexplicable captain, Xhaka You make a strong argument - but worst signing in the PL era has to be Titus Bramble, worst centre back ever.
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Andoman posted:You make a strong argument - but worst signing in the PL era has to be Titus Bramble, worst centre back ever. Bramble doesn’t even come close, he was pretty cheap and played hundreds of times in the PL
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Ninpo is spot on about Pogba. He’s extremely talented, but he’s also a pure luxury player who needs to have two other players in midfield who can carry the water while he does his thing.
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I mean if we're talking about failed very big money signings it has to be someone of Di Maria, Nicolas Pepe or maybe an outside shot for Andy Carroll or Fernando Torres at Chelsea E: Veron I guess works too?
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Feel like Sanchez or maybe Torres are right in the middle of the poo poo signing Venn diagram where the three sectors are cost, expectations and performance ahead of signings like Carroll where he cost a lot, but nobody expected anything of him and he ended up just sort of chugging along
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EC10 posted:maguire is poo poo and anyone who says otherwise is probably his gran's alt account. you could go to la liga or serie A and find ten better central defenders that no one's ever heard of who don't have the turning speed of an aircraft carrier "just gets played out of position" is bollocks. He's a luxury third in a three man midfield so long as the other two can carry the water for him.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/23/manchester-united-in-talks-with-ernesto-valverde-over-interim-manager-job "It is understood Valverde has discussed with John Murtough, United’s football director, taking over on a temporary basis, with the club conscious that having worked with Lionel Messi at Barcelona he would be at ease managing Cristiano Ronaldo." Seems like it would be better to get the long term choice in now so they have a season with no expectations to gel with the team, but instead they're going with a guy they expect to give Ronaldo all the playing time to milk more merchandise money?
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I wouldn't call pogs a luxury per se, he just has a very specific skill-set and is not very useful in roles that don't fully exploit that skill set. zidane was kind of the same way, and it isn't any coincidence that so many of the great teams he played on tended to be populated with literally the greatest holding midfielders of all time. zidane even knew it too, and appreciated it. in other words if you want to take advantage of a one dimensional player's game-breaking talent, you have build the rest of the team with that in mind. not Fred, in other words
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He's the definition of a luxury player. Any time he gets asked to do dirty work it blows up in his face with pens and red cards. He can't do it and he's openly said on TV he's terrible at it.
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TheRat posted:He's the definition of a luxury player. Any time he gets asked to do dirty work it blows up in his face with pens and red cards. He can't do it and he's openly said on TV he's terrible at it. It's this. Last season he gave away 4 of United's 6 conceded penalties or something absurd like that.
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bewbies posted:I wouldn't call pogs a luxury per se, he just has a very specific skill-set and is not very useful in roles that don't fully exploit that skill set. Never Fred that true. I just don't think he is so good that you would want to build a team around him, which to my mind would make him either a luxury or an expensive mistake
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TheRat posted:He's the definition of a luxury player. Any time he gets asked to do dirty work it blows up in his face with pens and red cards. He can't do it and he's openly said on TV he's terrible at it. so don't ask him to do the dirty work then? square peg round hole and all that if you have a player unsuited to a particular tactical role and he keeps failing at that tactical role and you don't either change the system or the player I'd say that's on management, not the player
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