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Check out Japan’s figures! Gone from tens of thousands a day to a hundred odd and they think it’s because delta there has mutated itself out of existence - something to do with the new mutations meaning it can’t replicate.
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There's something going on in that corner of the globe, a bunch of SE Asia countries have cases plummeting while others are surging https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...PHL~KHM~IDN~LAO
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Didn't Japan also make a big deal about how their superior language helped limit the spread by minimizing spittle as opposed to the harsh barbarian tongue of English spraying vast plumes of virus and/or feces?
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Cthulu Carl posted:Didn't Japan also make a big deal about how their superior language helped limit the spread by minimizing spittle as opposed to the harsh barbarian tongue of English spraying vast plumes of virus and/or feces? Well they didn't really hit a large surge until after they opened their doors to the uncultured Western barbarians so there might be something in that .....  
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10 weeks pregnant and boosted with Moderna yesterday! Feeling fine today, which is not what I was expecting as my second shot destroyed me the next day.
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learnincurve posted:Check out Japan’s figures! Sounds too hopeful  I *suppose* it's a possibility, I remember hoping for this in the early days - that the virus would mutate into a harmless flu, or even mostly asymptomatic, but past year has shown that things only tend to get worse
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compshateme85 posted:10 weeks pregnant and boosted with Moderna yesterday! Feeling fine today, which is not what I was expecting as my second shot destroyed me the next day. Congrats. Did your doctor encourage it if you consulted them? I've heard a lot of stories of doctors giving conflicting advice to pregnant women on the vaccine. My own doctor said boosters were for very specific people one day before the state said they were for everyone.
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Plant MONSTER. posted:I've taken more vaccines than anyone else in this entire thread put together don't you dare call me antivaxx haha, i heard that same argument from someone at work who insists they aren't antivax because they've voluntarily gotten other vaccines -- at the same time they are applying for a religious exemption to the federal mandate  "i'm not antivax but my religion prevents me from getting any of these three specific shots"but despite it being such obvious bad faith horseshit, they'll probably get the exemption if the rumor that directors are planning to rubber stamp every single request is true  anyway, got my moderna booster yesterday and had body and joint aches, shivers, and mild fever (~100 F) all night and into to today... pretty miserable, but not quite as bad as the 2nd shot where my fever reached ~103 F the first night. the body aches are worse than i get from an actual flu infection / fever. really hoping to not have to do this 2x per year. but hey, on the plus side there's no question that my immune system is recognizing and responding to the threat.
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Given the quicker immune response to the booster vd the second dose (less than 7 days from the chart) I am betting we won't be in an every 6 months situation long term.
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Scarodactyl posted:Given the quicker immune response to the booster vd the second dose (less than 7 days from the chart) I am betting we won't be in an every 6 months situation long term. there will be diminishing returns on getting the same booster over and over, but variants may require new shots as we continue to roll the mutation dice. but given the time it takes to develop those, you're right that every 6 months is probably unrealistic.
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Elea posted:Congrats. Did your doctor encourage it if you consulted them? I've heard a lot of stories of doctors giving conflicting advice to pregnant women on the vaccine. When I asked him two weeks ago if he recommended that I get a booster he cut me off before I could finish the sentence with "YES!". It probably helps that I'm in a highly vaccinated, very liberal area.
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Scarodactyl posted:Given the quicker immune response to the booster vd the second dose (less than 7 days from the chart) I am betting we won't be in an every 6 months situation long term. 
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Just got my booster + flu shot together. (Didn't realize it was Pfizer after getting Moderna 1+2, oops. Oh well, they're nearly interchangeable.) I fully expect to grow an extra head now, possibly more.
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Fuschia tude posted:Just got my booster + flu shot together. (Didn't realize it was Pfizer after getting Moderna 1+2, oops. Oh well, they're nearly interchangeable.)
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Booster + flu shot set for this weekend! Also, our city is dropping the mask mandate for all unvaxxed people on the same day. Our hospitals are still almost out of ICU, but it looks like it's because they keep flying in unvaccinated people from rural areas.
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Bad Purchase posted:there will be diminishing returns on getting the same booster over and over, but variants may require new shots as we continue to roll the mutation dice. but given the time it takes to develop those, you're right that every 6 months is probably unrealistic. That doesn't sound right at all. Assuming that antibodies and/or immune memory has waned, why would there eventually be diminished immune response? At least to my knowledge your body doesn't eventually just give up responding to antigens that it sees frequently (especially not just once a year, or even six months). Unless you mean as we become elderly, then I guess sure  E: Repeated adenovirus-vector vaccines could potentially have reduced effectivess if the immune system learns to target the adenovirus before it delivers it's payload, but I don't think we're worried about that with other types of vaccines. Stickman fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 24, 2021 |
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Hopefully we'll soon get better data on inhalend vaccines too. Animal data with inhaled AZ apparently looked good.
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I don't know why Japan's numbers are so low, but as a person here its great.
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Bad Purchase posted:haha, i heard that same argument from someone at work who insists they aren't antivax because they've voluntarily gotten other vaccines -- at the same time they are applying for a religious exemption to the federal mandate The US army apparently got a whole bunch of religious exemption requests and denied pretty much all of them which makes a lot of sense considering that everyone serving in the US army would have been given a lot of vaccines already as a matter of course, so if they hadn't objected to those earlier jabs they would have had a very hard time arguing against this one https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/us/politics/vaccine-military-army.html
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Religious exemptions should never be part of anything. Medical, yes. Morality? gently caress off.
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did the court suspension of biden's vaccine mandate complete and it was deemed legal or are places skirting around it or what is going on? I think I missed something. [edit] doesn't look like it... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/biden-administration-suspends-enforcement-of-business-vaccine-mandate.html
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Cowslips Warren posted:Religious exemptions should never be part of anything. Medical, yes. Morality? gently caress off.  I don't think vaccines were covered in the bible so I'm not sure how these fucks are getting off with that excuse.
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Stickman posted:That doesn't sound right at all. Assuming that antibodies and/or immune memory has waned, why would there eventually be diminished immune response? At least to my knowledge your body doesn't eventually just give up responding to antigens that it sees frequently (especially not just once a year, or even six months). I wasn't super clear. You are right that boosters will continue to give a short term, uh, boost in immune response. What I meant was that each booster is likely to have diminishing effectiveness in the long term -- as in, the effectiveness in fighting off the infection a year or five years from now. People who had a good immune response to the initial vaccination will develop the immune memory their body needs to fight future infections and each subsequent booster is not likely to improve the long term response much. It's not even clear if the first covid booster helps with that yet. There are some vaccines, like tetanus, that need boosters on the order of 10 years because the long term effectiveness might wane. Generally the goal of vaccination is getting that long term immune response to be reliable. To your point, after any infection or vaccination your body will have high amounts of antibodies and B/T cells swimming around for anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. In that state, if you get infected with covid again, you don't have to wait a couple days for your immune system to recognize the threat and ramp up -- you're already ramped up and can begin fighting it immediately, which will reduce the severity of symptoms (if you have any at all) -- especially with the delta variant which progresses very quickly, making the immune response time important. This is the most likely reason that the effectiveness numbers of the various covid vaccines in studies all drop off after a few months -- the transition from the short term phase to the long term phase. We would probably need boosters more often than every 6 months if you want to keep that short term protection active. Generally that's just not what vaccines are designed for. It might work to get boosted every 2 or 3 months and maintain those high 90s effectiveness numbers indefinitely, I don't know... not sure there's a lot of precedent for something like that. Anyway, this article probably explains it better: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/waning-immunity-not-crisis-right-now/619965/
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Pennywise the Frown posted:
quote:When you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your house if someone falls from the roof.
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Sweet, Sweden just jumped on the booster train. Everyone 18 years and over will be able to get one soon.
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Ghostlight posted:i guess it depend on how much of a literalist you want to be, but imo deuteronomy 22:8 is pretty pro-responsibility to protect others. I guess people who could reasonably claim religious objections might be a bit more fringe than simply "christian". Like, the Book of Mormon or the teachings of Scientology probably have a lot to say on vaccines. I'm not saying that the state should in any way pay attention to that, I'm of the opinion that religious needs should bow down to the need for people not to kill others, but I'm sure there are people claiming otherwise. (I mean, we have killings over religion already.)
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I guess people who could reasonably claim religious objections might be a bit more fringe than simply "christian". https://www.deseret.com/2021/9/23/22688511/churchbeat-newsletter-lds-mormon-church-latter-day-saints-vaccine-exemption https://www.scientology.org/faq/scientology-attitudes-and-practices/scientology-view-on-medical-care.html Overall roundup: https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion Pretty much the only small weird religion you've heard of that objects to healthcare is Church of Christ, Scientist, aka Christian Scientists. Absolute max, worldwide, there are 400k members. Almost nobody is declining the vaccine due to a "legit" religious belief.
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I thought the religious thing was that they believe the vaccine contains aborted fetuses, and therefore refuse to get it since they are «pro-life»
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Even Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed vaccines according to their rules or whatever. There are no religions that forbid vaccines. Any person who claims a religious reason for not vaccinating is being a disingenuous poo poo stain. All of 'em. ymgve posted:I thought the religious thing was that they believe the vaccine contains aborted fetuses, and therefore refuse to get it since they are «pro-life» Des guillemets? You must be French?
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Well, no, Christian Scientists are pretty against healthcare period. There's just very few of them
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Oh, right. Forgot about them. Well... screw them. There was a goon here whose mother was a Christian Scientist, right? And I know she was giving the goon a lot of trouble during all of this. How miserable. 
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lol at any so-called christian whose sect was formed during or after the great schism thinking they have any authority whatsoever to interpret scripture
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Just got home from getting my Moderna booster. Will keep the thread posted as I die and/or transcend into a being of pure 5G.
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After two doses of AZ earlier in the year i got my Pfizer booster a few hours ago, other than a slight niggle at the injection site nothing to report.  Does my 5G come in colour or is only black & white?
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The main religious objection I’ve seen is the foetal stem cell stuff, but if the pope doesn’t seem to care about it that much then rank and file Catholics probably don’t have a leg to stand on.
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the pope does care, but since the aborted foetus that most of the vaccines are derived from is now almost half a century old he's taken a somewhat pragmatic approach in that the damage has been done and there's not really any alternative protection than the vaccines created from it. the same people claiming religious exemption though seem to be happy to move to alternatives like regeneron, which use the exact same foetal tissues as the vaccines themselves, except they've spent a bunch of money on pr touting that because they've been breeding the cells for so long (as long as everyone else using them) they no longer count as foetal cells.
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Bardeh posted:ffs *slow heavy metal music*
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