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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


There's a lot of ways to judge a series that doesn't really fit into an adult/child classification. Themes, violence, language, etc are obvious ones, but a series doesn't need to be "sophisticated" to be mature. Tuca and Bertie is definitely adult purely because of its perspective and themes; even if you feel the characters are immature, their immaturity is framed through adulthood, it has no relevance to children even without the sex and swearing.

I'm not sure where something like Big Mouth fits into that though; it's written from an adult perspective, but for a formative period that isn't relevant to adults anymore. I guess it's written for adults who've lost touch with what their kids are experiencing? Weird nostalgia for people who thought puberty was the greatest time of their life?

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I'm not sure where something like Big Mouth fits into that though; it's written from an adult perspective, but for a formative period that isn't relevant to adults anymore. I guess it's written for adults who've lost touch with what their kids are experiencing? Weird nostalgia for people who thought puberty was the greatest time of their life?

I think the childhood thing is part of the show's metaphor. The conversations these teens have are the kinds of conversations that children and teens are having, but they're also the conversations that a lot of adults have too -- because people's emotional development doesn't really tend to match the rate at which they physically age. A lot of adults are just as underdeveloped as we expect children to be, and, on a wider social level, flashpoints like the Me Too movement indicate that we're not particularly mature as a society either.

The show's wedding arc is probably the most obvious case of this metaphor being expressed, given that it's about two children getting married and experiencing the various anxieties and dramas associated with that, but it's there in the Coach Steve character (who is less mature and emotionally developed than most of the cast, despite being one of the oldest regular characters on the show), in the visions Nick has of being an adult (and the way those develop and become increasingly complicated as the seasons go on), the way quite a lot of the parents are actually manchildren, or have arcs that are reflections of the younger generations (e.g. Jessie's mother comes out, but so does Jay, and Andrew is constantly at risk of turning into his father)etc. etc.

That and it's the various writers still working through their anxieties and traumas from when they were growing up, but with a more developed perspective and the benefit of hindsight.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

The one thing I can't get around on big mouth is that it looks awful. Just disgusting art style.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

Jerkface posted:

The one thing I can't get around on big mouth is that it looks awful. Just disgusting art style.

Yeah it’s just uncomfortable. It could be the funniest show of all time but I’ll never know.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I'm not sure where something like Big Mouth fits into that though; it's written from an adult perspective, but for a formative period that isn't relevant to adults anymore. I guess it's written for adults who've lost touch with what their kids are experiencing? Weird nostalgia for people who thought puberty was the greatest time of their life?

Nick Kroll, who sucks and I hate, has gone on record saying that the show is just gross comedians working their unresolved poo poo out in the writer’s room, that’s who it’s for.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Jerkface posted:

The one thing I can't get around on big mouth is that it looks awful. Just disgusting art style.

It was an idiotic attempt to prevent people drawing porn of it, which they should have known wouldn't actually work.

ShortyMR.CAT
Sep 25, 2008

:blastu::dogcited:
Lipstick Apathy
All the arguing/discussion on adult cartoons and no mention of Tick? For shame. Truly the pinnacle of adult animation!

* farts *

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Jerkface posted:

The one thing I can't get around on big mouth is that it looks awful. Just disgusting art style.

Puberty is as gross as that show looks

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

IShallRiseAgain posted:

It was an idiotic attempt to prevent people drawing porn of it, which they should have known wouldn't actually work.

lol for real? that's the silliest behind-the-scenes fact I've heard about a show in a long time

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
That was supposedly the idea behind the Animaniacs character designs as well.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


They used Minerva Mink as a lightning rod for all the horny. That was basically her entire point.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Well, that and Hello Nurse.

The 90s were trying to redevelop television animation to match classical theatrical shorts, and one of the classic bits that got revived was just male characters losing their loving minds when they see a hot lady. And I think uncritically copying old bits led to some issues because it turns out that some of the bits aged differently and the old theatrical shorts weren't really for children even if some of them were for a broad audience. We only really think of them as kid stuff because that's who ended up watching the reruns of theatrical shorts on TV. Somehow comic books got relegated to being only for children as well.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I watched the first episode of Animaniacs recently, and it was like 1/4 Hello Nurse jokes by content, just a weird overusage of something to the point that it'd have worn it out even if it were funny the first time. The second Warners episode is the one with Einstein, which falls into "not funny because it's not true" that he took himself seriously, and then the third short with H.M.S. Wakko and the pirate was the first really good one. Every line in the first Slappy the Squirrel episode was great, though

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!

Xelkelvos posted:

Puberty is as gross as that show looks

True. Second puberty is much kinder though.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
gently caress the haters, He-Man Revaluation rules.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2

readingatwork posted:

gently caress the haters, He-Man Revaluation rules.


Assepoester fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Nov 25, 2021

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

readingatwork posted:

gently caress the haters, He-Man Revaluation rules.

It was better than the first part IMO.

The dialogue had the perfect amount of camp, and the fights were overall pretty entertaining. Mark Hamill was expectedly amazing, and Lyn’s power design was great. Pour one out for Fisto. He never got to fist Skeletor.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Bust Rodd posted:

That was supposedly the idea behind the Animaniacs character designs as well.

I'm pretty sure the Warners are specifically designed to be throwbacks to inkblot cartoons, especially given the whole premise that they've been sealed in the water tower all that time and only recently broken containment.


SlothfulCobra posted:

Well, that and Hello Nurse.

The 90s were trying to redevelop television animation to match classical theatrical shorts, and one of the classic bits that got revived was just male characters losing their loving minds when they see a hot lady. And I think uncritically copying old bits led to some issues because it turns out that some of the bits aged differently and the old theatrical shorts weren't really for children even if some of them were for a broad audience. We only really think of them as kid stuff because that's who ended up watching the reruns of theatrical shorts on TV. Somehow comic books got relegated to being only for children as well.

I do recall at least one of the Minerva Mink shorts is at least equal-opportunity about it. Though folks losing their minds over the existence of hot people will probably never stop being a source of comedy and drama.

A lightning rod for the horny doesn't particularly help either. I recall that of all the Digimon series, the only one that doesn't have a giant titty angel managed to inspire more porn than everything else combined anyway.

Caros
May 14, 2008


[Za Power]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

Caros fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Nov 25, 2021

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

The back half of Revelation was great though I would have watched just for those abs.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2

AlternateNu posted:

It was better than the first part IMO.

The dialogue had the perfect amount of camp, and the fights were overall pretty entertaining. Mark Hamill was expectedly amazing, and Lyn’s power design was great. Pour one out for Fisto. He never got to fist Skeletor.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Why is that JoJo character in Heman?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
He-Man is the original Jojo.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

He-Man is the original Jojo.

He-Man is a condensation of the aesthetic which inspired Jojo.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
Solar Opposites holiday special is out and of typical SO quality. I enjoyed it, but the dig at Jingle All the Way was pretty funny. Personally, I loved that movie as a kid because of how dumb it was even if it wasn't Kindergarden Cop level.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I finished Hit Monkey the other day and liked it all the way up until the very end where they decided to leave things open for a second season. It just felt weird to bring Bryce back like that when he kind of completed his arc.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

https://twitter.com/sonyanimation/status/14672943984132628

oh drat

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS


Already gone

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Weird, that was the official Sony so on and so forth for the Across the Spiderverse Part 1 so I’m surprised they pulled it. Miller was tweeting about it too.

https://twitter.com/adityasood/status/1467299850534326272

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Probably a typo or something so they had to redo the tweet

https://twitter.com/SonyAnimation/status/1467294398413262850

Is this it?

Updog Scully
Apr 20, 2021

This post is accompanied by all the requisite visual and audio effects.

:blastback::woomy::blaster:
Why didn't anyone tell me that the Looney Tunes show is a jam? Kind of digging the tone, almost like a Dan Vs kind of vibe. The jokes aren't bad either.

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.


Centaurworld S2 came out today. I am going to savour it bit by bit.
S1 was fantastic, but I could never trust it; watching and waiting for it to turn bad at any given moment. It never did, and that unease added to the experience. Hopefully S2 continues to walk that tightrope.

















:siren:Major MAJOR spoilers but a favourite bit of animation:siren:

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Come And See posted:

Centaurworld S2 came out today. I am going to savour it bit by bit.

Same but the opposite. Just went through. That sure was something.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

cant cook creole bream posted:

Same but the opposite. Just went through. That sure was something.

It's strange. It feels like the second half of season 1 rather than a whole new season, which makes sense since they were made one after the other, but I didn't think it was nearly as good. The individual episodes just weren't as strong, it lacks a clear goal like s1 had and it just kinda felt rushed. I get the impression that they wanted to make three seasons but only two were greenlit so they had to make do. They basically spend nearly the entire season focusing on character development and growth for the herd but it didn't really feel earned or satisfying to me. Zulius and Ched in particular basically got nothing, the finale just kinda tells us "by the way these two reached a satisfying conclusion" and we have to roll with it.

The songs also didn't seem as great, with a few exceptions (gently caress you, Becky Apples). There were a lot of song callbacks, which is fine when the callback really works (s1 did this to great effect) but I feel that a lot of these would've been better if they were brand new songs.


To be fair though, the ending was really great so overall I'm still happy with the show.

Elman fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Dec 8, 2021

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Yeah, I'm a few episodes in and it's not as good; they've plumped for comedy over drama, but once the last few episodes of season one went so dark there really wasn't a way back to low stakes comedy, not the way the show handled it anyway

Also, yes, the songs kinda suck. Quite a lot of them aren't straight up songs either, they're people speaking with rhythm.

Disappointing.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I thought the comedy in centaur world was by and large pretty bad so maybe I will watch season 2 then

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

For a brief moment towards the end of Centaurworld I was convinced they were going to reveal that the Lea Salonga Princess?/Witch? character and Becky Apples were another split centaur like the General/Nowhere King. There was an earlier throwaway joke about the Duchess' grandson's mother disappearing, and Becky ate that old wig she randomly found in the human world.

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!

Terrifying Effigies posted:

For a brief moment towards the end of Centaurworld I was convinced they were going to reveal that the Lea Salonga Princess?/Witch? character and Becky Apples were another split centaur like the General/Nowhere King. There was an earlier throwaway joke about the Duchess' grandson's mother disappearing, and Becky ate that old wig she randomly found in the human world.

(Centaurworld S2) They really seemed to be going somewhere with Becky Apples, but then just... dropped that whole plot thread. Weird.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Centaurworld S2 felt like they were squeezing every drop of blood out of whatever half decent gags they had, to the point where I got tired of some that were actually funny and began actively dreading the appearance of comfortable doug. And they just didn't know what to do with Wammawink anymore. I am glad they satisfyingly stuck the landing though, despite the general raggedness compared to S1.

jassa posted:

(Centaurworld S2) They really seemed to be going somewhere with Becky Apples, but then just... dropped that whole plot thread. Weird.

My wild guess is they just didn't want to throw a wrench in those relationships so close to the ending.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Centaurworld is already over?

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

The_Doctor posted:

Centaurworld is already over?

Yeah. It was only ever a twenty episode order.

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