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bob dobbs is dead posted:in turn that one looked like that because the grateful dead was their main sponsor This is a goddamn beautiful sentence
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Holy poo poo that's my favourite story in a long time. This is truly the auspicious Chinathread.
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Nam Taf posted:Holy poo poo that's my favourite story in a long time. This is truly the auspicious Chinathread. Can't spell auspicious without CIA...
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auspiciaous the 1992 semifinal is the only basketball match I've ever watched from beginning to end Vesi fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Nov 24, 2021 |
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On the subject of D&D, the kids in the NZ thread are already slipping into exactly the same 'Democracy is actually the worst because there's corruption' spiels that I see on the other side of the horseshoe. What accounts for this utter lack of perspective?
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WarpedNaba posted:On the subject of D&D, the kids in the NZ thread are already slipping into exactly the same 'Democracy is actually the worst because there's corruption' spiels that I see on the other side of the horseshoe. Enormous loving privilege plus blackpilled echo chambers.
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And, as we all know, there have never been any instances of corruption in "communist" authoritarian governments.
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How are u posted:Enormous loving privilege plus blackpilled echo chambers. Yeah. These people have always been around but I don't think the internet is just making them more visible, it's offering a perfect way to spin yourself into self-radicalization. And the idea of having any kind of nuance just gets you mocked now, everything is binary. You can't say a government has problems and needs to be fixed, you have to think the entire concept is evil and authoritarianism is the answer.
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i think this is a generic feature of life with many levels of abstraction. you saw it in mathematicians physicists and computer peeps first and not only because they were first to the internet. we're all as nuts as grothendieck now (ok, not really but thats the heading)
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. These people have always been around but I don't think the internet is just making them more visible, it's offering a perfect way to spin yourself into self-radicalization. And the idea of having any kind of nuance just gets you mocked now, everything is binary. You can't say a government has problems and needs to be fixed, you have to think the entire concept is evil and authoritarianism is the answer. Also just an enormous lack of awareness that the level of access to information you get via the Internet is not the default and that life in a state where the government shuts down all alternative forms of media is very different.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. These people have always been around but I don't think the internet is just making them more visible, it's offering a perfect way to spin yourself into self-radicalization. And the idea of having any kind of nuance just gets you mocked now, everything is binary. You can't say a government has problems and needs to be fixed, you have to think the entire concept is evil and authoritarianism is the answer. Reminds me of an old Soviet joke my great-uncle used to tell: In a gulag, two prisoners are introducing themselves. "What did they arrest you for?" asks the first. "Was it a political or a common crime?" "Political. I'm a plumber. They summoned me to the Kremlin to fix the sewage pipes. I looked and said, 'Hey, the entire system needs to be replaced.' So they gave me seven years."
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Also to be more charitable, radicalization always happens when poo poo is hosed, and poo poo is absolutely hosed right now. It's not a completely out there response to have. There's also the factor that I think a lot of people genuinely believe in the climate rapture and humanity will literally be extinct by 2030, which is absurd if you know anything but is the sort of story we like to tell. It's a lot more fun than the reality of suffering through a multi-century long apocalypse that we could still largely mitigate but the powerful have chosen not to. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 24, 2021 |
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Nov 24, 2021 20:45
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Apocalyptic thinking is, surprisingly, not good for mental health.
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And preemptively if someone wants to nitpick the definition of apocalypse now, 
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How are u posted:Apocalyptic thinking is, surprisingly, not good for mental health. Yeah. And it's hard to argue about it when we are actually experiencing an apocalyptic event. William Gibson's talked about how our mental models inform our thinking and the ones we have of apocalypse are a sudden end of everything, we don't have a way of thinking/talking about a slow, grinding chaos and collapse that people will continue muddling through however they can. I think it's an interesting and accurate observation.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. These people have always been around but I don't think the internet is just making them more visible, it's offering a perfect way to spin yourself into self-radicalization. And the idea of having any kind of nuance just gets you mocked now, everything is binary. You can't say a government has problems and needs to be fixed, you have to think the entire concept is evil and authoritarianism is the answer. Look, it's really simple: Under a liberal system, no-one knows who is really responsible for government problems, so we can't do anything about them. Under an authoritarian system, everyone knows who is really responsible for government problems, and we can't do anything about them.
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Slight tweak:Atopian posted:Under an authoritarian system, everyone 'knows' who is really responsible for government problems, so they're put into camps while the UN claims that it technically doesn't count as a genocide.
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Is there a Chinese equivalent of online doomers? Like obviously most subjects that people would be less than sanguine about in China are verboten, but my understanding was that as long as it wasn't political sensitive or too extreme, you could actually complain about a wide range of topics online. I guess those "lying flat" guys are doing something like that. So, what does your typical Chinese doomer dread?
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Grand Fromage posted:Also to be more charitable, radicalization always happens when poo poo is hosed, and poo poo is absolutely hosed right now. It's not a completely out there response to have. I don't think humanity will be extinct in 9 years I do remember some prediction from like the 1980s saying society would collapse in 2040 which is much more believable
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Society is much more resilient than people give it credit for. Soceities take alot more damage over both recent and distant history and keep trucking - someone is always in charge after all.
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yeah i think billions will die but society itself wil keep on truckin
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah i think billions will die but society itself wil keep on truckin Probably took until * Like, there was still Byzantine for a while, trucking along as usual, so really it's more about when Italy broke back down into petty fiefdoms. ** As apposed to the relative carnage of everyday life, back then.
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Byzantium was Rome full stop
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LashLightning posted:Probably took until I think the relevant comparison from Rome would be the Marian-Sulla civil war of 83-81BC, Caesar's civil war of 49-45BC, and the Antony-Octavian war of 32-30BC. Three generations of Romans. The first generation had a crisis and Sulla eventually restored the Republic, but their children saw that you could break the system and take absolute power if you really wanted to. The second generation had a go but Caesar thought he could win it all without having to murder everyone. The third generation to play the Game of Thrones ends up with an absolute winner who sweeps up absolute power and kills all of his rivals. Nobody in this 50 year period thought that they were living through the events that would be the end of democracy in Rome, and the vast majority of them thought that the Republic would bounce back, even as it was demonstrated again and again that the conventional constitutional limits on power weren't working.
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CourtFundedPoster posted:Is there a Chinese equivalent of online doomers? Dying alone and single. Also if they're Taiwanese they fear being attacked by China.
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Don Gato posted:Dying alone and single. I mean this one's pretty ubiquitous to your average goon as well.
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WarpedNaba posted:I mean this one's pretty ubiquitous to your average goon as well. Yeah but your average goon has this as a self-inflicted condition, whereas China has a gender ratio among the 25 and under's that guarantees it for millions.
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Gaius Marius posted:Byzantium was Rome full stop Byzantium was Greece. at least as far as they were concerned
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:Byzantium was Greece. Nah, they were Roman. They never considered themselves greek even if they spoke it. From Augustus to Constantine XI Palaiologos, the empire and the emperor at the top were 100% Roman.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nah, they were Roman. They never considered themselves greek even if they spoke it. From Augustus to Constantine XI Palaiologos, the empire and the emperor at the top were 100% Roman. Yeah it was the Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire They were never thought of as Greek
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this made the rounds on twitter a couple days ago https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1463370832093364224 it's weird how the consensus from chinese twitter accounts was that the chinese photographer forced the models to squint their eyes to look more ugly and demonic, to stereotype the oriental style, when it's probably chinese people getting bombarded by modern day beautification apps and photoshops that tend to enlarge eyes causing to have weird beauty standards
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:Byzantium was Greece. Please don't troll me.
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Grand Fromage posted:Please don't troll me. look im just sayin it aint called the roman orthodox church for a reason
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:look im just sayin it aint called the roman orthodox church for a reason Because westerners call it that. The Rhomaioi people who lived in the country they called Romania did not. 
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Does anyone actually *want* to be Greek
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Ah, the Holy Roman Empire. Up there with the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea for most blatantly false nation-title.
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WarpedNaba posted:Ah, the Holy Roman Empire. Up there with the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea for most blatantly false nation-title. The HRE wasn't Byzantine, the Byzantines were the first ones saying the HRE was not Roman (cuz they were Roman.) They had a war over it.
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WarpedNaba posted:Ah, the Holy Roman Empire. Up there with the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea for most blatantly false nation-title. Don't you have some philosophy to write Voltaire?
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Kill All Cops posted:this made the rounds on twitter a couple days ago Everything is an insult to China, and not that the high-fashion industry often picks models with facial structures one would call . . . unique. Hell, some of them are next-door to randomly maxing out the sliders on character creation apps in games because they have been specifically chosen to stand out*. *high fashion models are either chosen to be blank slates to hang clothes off of, or they're people with extreme facial features to really stand out/draw the eye in. It's all about the purpose of the specific product, or the ad campaign. GIS "weird model face" and enter into the uncanny valley.
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