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steinrokkan posted:The difference is that nobody here would bend over backwards to do their best impression of Rudolf Hess in excusing Americans forcing countries to live under their NATURAL and JUSTIFIED and NECESSARY sphere of influence by violence, meanwhile in the case of Russia the opposite is the case. Who is excusing anything? Also, the US is just another polity. It has used force to maintain its SoI just like the rest of them. piL posted:I believe they are referring to the (presumably) not-active grate that has been welded on top of the active armor. Yes, it's the slat armor that is made in unit. Has always been a thing but has started appearing on many Russian tanks since july. It's probably for drones. also makes it easier to have a smoke
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piL posted:I liked the theory that, combined with a Mk 1 Tarp, it keeps the rain off. That was the ISIS tank clothes dryer. https://twitter.com/mhmiranusa/status/1413190874683650048 They would throw rags over those to try masking tanks from aircraft.
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Vasukhani posted:Ukraine is an existential interest for Russia -- specifically preventing Ukraine from becoming the keystone of an extended cordon sanitaire. It is not an existential, or even close to main, interest for the US and allies. do Russians in general view Ukraine as existential? Most Russians were opposed to a shooting war with Ukraine in 2014 and those attitudes have increased in more recent polls:  There's a reason why the administration worked so hard to hide its operations in 2014 - most Russians do not want war with Ukraine
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Flavahbeast posted:do Russians in general view Ukraine as existential? Most Russians were opposed to a shooting war with Ukraine in 2014 and those attitudes have increased in more recent polls: The "thoughts" of the public don't matter at all in this, even in democratic societies. They can be made to think what is necessary for them to think. More recent and better polling on the similar questions https://www.levada.ru/2021/09/08/mezhdunarodnye-otnosheniya-avgust-2021/ https://www.levada.ru/2021/06/15/glavnye-druzhestvennye-i-nedruzhestvennye-strany/ wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Nov 25, 2021 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Why the gently caress are American neo Nazis talking about Corneliu Zelea Codreanu. Can anyone explain this to me? The US thread is prolly not the place as your all eastern Europe explainers or dwellers and have a better pulse on this I know American alt=right/fascist Roosh V just wrote an article where he praised him for creating the Iron Guard and said that the reason he isn't better respected nowadays is because America is under the control of Jews. So maybe that's it?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Maybe we can have a conference in Warsaw and create a pact of some sort to stand as a bulwark against NATO And enforce it internally with tanks, no abandoning this project!
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Epicurius posted:I know American alt=right/fascist Roosh V just wrote an article where he praised him for creating the Iron Guard and said that the reason he isn't better respected nowadays is because America is under the control of Jews. So maybe that's it? At the very least I’m not aware of any European dipshits waking up this November to praise a century old Romanian proto-fascist.
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Vasukhani posted:The "thoughts" of the public don't matter at all in this, even in democratic societies. They can be made to think what is necessary for them to think. There's a very good reason that most videos from the Donbass show toothless alcoholics and lumpenproles fighting for russkyi mir, and many of them are now dead Most people don't want to die or to kill and propaganda has its very material limits, especially when caskets start coming Pls, posting about politics does the opposite of treating broken brains Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/KareemRifai/status/1463533276493144071 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That was the ISIS tank clothes dryer. Project: T-14 Armata, Russia is the best in tanks! Reality: Vasiliy, we need you to weld some girders
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Vasukhani posted:The "thoughts" of the public don't matter at all in this, even in democratic societies. They can be made to think what is necessary for them to think.
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Epicurius posted:I know American alt=right/fascist Roosh V just wrote an article where he praised him for creating the Iron Guard and said that the reason he isn't better respected nowadays is because America is under the control of Jews. So maybe that's it? They also seem to have a band that is called Corneliu cordreau prezent. I didn't listen to the "catchy' tunes but I assume it's all anti semitic poo poo https://img.haarets.co.il/img/1.5682070/1018316866.jpg
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:They also seem to have a band that is called Corneliu cordreau prezent. I didn't listen to the "catchy' tunes but I assume it's all anti semitic poo poo Doing some research, that actually looks to be an album with songs by a bunch of European neo-Nazi black metal bands and put out by the Romanian "Tellurian Battlegrounds Productions". It came out in 1999.
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I really wonder if Die Grüne are gonna go for it and refuse to authorize opening Nord Stream II, it would be the kind of stuff that would make for some interesting foreign policy news in the near future
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Vasukhani posted:The "thoughts" of the public don't matter at all in this, even in democratic societies. They can be made to think what is necessary for them to think. Thank you for the insight Владимир Ильич.
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So Zeman was out of hospital for less than a day before he had to go back with Covid. Maybe we will get a better President soon?
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Xarn posted:Maybe we will get a better President soon?
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Fair I guess. Honestly I still don't get in which social circles Pavel is campaigning, because I've completely forgotten he even exists, why the gently caress would I vote him in as president?
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14 coal miners died in Siberia. Obviously Putin will now invade Ukraine to coverup the diaster
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Xarn posted:Fair I guess. Honestly I still don't get in which social circles Pavel is campaigning, because I've completely forgotten he even exists, why the gently caress would I vote him in as president? Not my circles either but apparently he's Hot poo poo with right-wingers. Well, the ones with some grasp on reality anyway.
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Xarn posted:Fair I guess. Honestly I still don't get in which social circles Pavel is campaigning, because I've completely forgotten he even exists, why the gently caress would I vote him in as president? People very concerned with NaTiOnAl PrEsTiGe because he was an important somebody somewhere once. Also I guess he'd be photogenic if he lost the loving mustache.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Siberian deathroll at 54. Jesus, that went up fast.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Siberian deathroll at 54. that's very not good
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Vasukhani posted:The "thoughts" of the public don't matter at all in this, even in democratic societies. They can be made to think what is necessary for them to think. Very brash and ridiculously incorrect statement. Any government relies on public mandate, manufacturing consent takes time. Successfully brainwashing majority on an open and prolonged military operation (ie not rushing through Georgia in two weeks) against closest neighbour is beyond Russian gov capabilities. In caving to public pressure news, turns out even Russian people dont appreciate when cops rape people with brooms https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/22a0633e-4e1e-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=7a045727d404dacf2f8b727e12ce15b4&s=09
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Siberian deathroll at 54. I skipped like a 150 posts so was like  that's Siberia.But this is really awfull. Apparently includes 6 rescuers who went down to help so there must've been another explosion or collapse. They're saying they're filling it with methane  not sure how that's going to help.https://rg.ru/2021/11/26/reg-sibfo/pri-avarii-na-shahte-listviazhnaia-pogibli-52-cheloveka.html
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barbecue at the folks posted:I really wonder if Die Grüne are gonna go for it and refuse to authorize opening Nord Stream II, it would be the kind of stuff that would make for some interesting foreign policy news in the near future I'm not sure if they have the authority to refuse to certify it and besides SPD is still the biggest supporter of nordstream It's still excellent news because the Russia-understander schroder faction wasn't able to block her and hopefully this will lead to many other ways to push in Putin's poop like answering for murders in European countries, MH17, green energy to ween off oil, pressure over political prisoners
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mobby_6kl posted:I skipped like a 150 posts so was like Sadly no, but maybe it’s for the better that you think we passionately poured over the details of the Kemerovo mine disaster. 
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fatherboxx posted:Very brash and ridiculously incorrect statement. Any government relies on public mandate, manufacturing consent takes time. Successfully brainwashing majority on an open and prolonged military operation (ie not rushing through Georgia in two weeks) against closest neighbour is beyond Russian gov capabilities. idgi, why is it remarkable that Russian people don't appreciate cops sexually abusing prisoners?
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XMNN posted:idgi, why is it remarkable that Russian people don't appreciate cops sexually abusing prisoners? Usually Russian populace is very bloodthirsty regarding convicts and law enforcement, with "cushy western prisons" being the mainstay of propaganda. The classic punitive and isolation function over rehabilitation.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gulag-camps-that-killed-two-million-gave-people-start-in-life-russia-declares-httw03klfquote:The Soviet Union’s brutal Gulag labour camps provided “a start in life” as well as food and shelter for the country’s poorest citizens, according to an article published by Russian state media that has sparked anger.
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fatherboxx posted:Usually Russian populace is very bloodthirsty regarding convicts and law enforcement, with "cushy western prisons" being the mainstay of propaganda. The classic punitive and isolation function over rehabilitation. Fair enough, sounds like it's pretty similar to many western attitudes towards prisoners (i.e. prisons should be absolutely horrific and people should go there for longer/forever) and prison rape/violence is still a common thing to find people reveling in (e.g. comments under newspaper stories about crimes). I think I wouldn't be surprised at those same Western populaces being angry about actual video evidence of those things being done by prison officers though, even if there was an element of hypocrisy.
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fatherboxx posted:Usually Russian populace is very bloodthirsty regarding convicts and law enforcement, with "cushy western prisons" being the mainstay of propaganda. The classic punitive and isolation function over rehabilitation. According to the latest Levada poll, 66% of Russians are categorically against torture. 11% think torture is okay when it can save innocent people. Only 9% think torture is permissible against violent criminals in general. It's true that the punitive function is overemphasised in popular thinking, but there is also understanding that the punishment needs to be humane at least to some extent.
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Rust Martialis posted:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gulag-camps-that-killed-two-million-gave-people-start-in-life-russia-declares-httw03klf One weird trick millenials don't want you to know
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yeah these stats align with my own experience of talking about these kinds of issues with Russian/Russian-speaking people. at the very least, there's usually an understanding that an entirely innocent person might find themselves locked up essentially on a whim of some silovik or other. if anything, westerners tend to be more susceptible to the whole "it's a just world, if they're in prison surely they deserve everything that happens to them" line of thinking (this is anecdotal, of course) kinda makes me wonder though why that poster assumed that the Russians wouldn't see prison rape and torture on a systematic scale as something bad
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fatherboxx posted:I tend to presume the worst from my countrymen, especially when its about inflicting pain on someone thats not them I know living in Russia is grim, but you still shouldn't do that. That's what the regime actually wants. They can't do anything about people not trusting official institutions, but they can try to instil mistrust and learned helplessness in people in order to to prevent any grassroots movements from happening.
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https://theins.ru/news/245901 It's important to note that for a month the guy that leaked the videos was the one that was in the federal wanted list and the government was trying to silence the scandal. He ran away to France
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Rust Martialis posted:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gulag-camps-that-killed-two-million-gave-people-start-in-life-russia-declares-httw03klf Wonder if that particular propaganda push is connected to them going after Memorial....
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Can any of the 1 Estonian itt tell me why you guys are building fence on Russian border? Is this an attention thing?
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