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smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

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tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I don't care where it goes as long as it leaves the planet.

some posts are too beautiful for words

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004


r/Coinbase a real shitshow right now, thanks to the whole India thing. :laffo:

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/1463224468210429965

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


Non-Food Turkey

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.
So this is the beginning of the end: how many will perish when Bitcoin destroys it's first country?

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
all things considered i'd rather live in duvalierville

drk
Jan 16, 2005

nnnotime posted:

So this is the beginning of the end: how many will perish when Bitcoin destroys it's first country?

Central american dictatorships issuing worthless debt isn't new, but mr hatlife is doing it with pizazz

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

nnnotime posted:

So this is the beginning of the end: how many will perish when Bitcoin destroys it's first country?

This looks like the 3rd world country is taking advantage of white people for once.

That just means the US is going to invade El Salvador on behalf of Bitcoin nerds.

JammyB
May 23, 2001

I slept with Mary and Joseph never found out
Good article here about the failed Constitution"DAO" and more detail on the losses for their backers.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb8av/constitutiondao-aftermath-everyone-very-mad-confused-losing-lots-of-money-fighting-crying-etc

quote:

We bought $200 worth of Ethereum. Coinbase took a $3 fee. Then, we had to send the Ethereum from Coinbase to a MetaMask crypto wallet. To do this, we had to pay a $12 network fee. Then, we had to send the Ethereum from MetaMask to Juicebox. So-called "gas" fees vary wildly and depend on how busy the Ethereum network is at any given moment and the complexity of the transaction. Right now, gas fees on Ethereum are very high, and a highly complex operation could end up costing hundreds of dollars in fees. In our case, we paid a $75 gas fee to contribute roughly $75 to the project. Of the initial $200 we bought in ETH, $90 was eaten up in fees simply to donate to ConstitutionDAO.

quote:

In order to get a refund, we have to do this in reverse, basically. And so to get our ETH back from Juicebox, we would have to pay gas fees again, meaning essentially the entirety of the amount invested would be wiped out.

And that's the rub. About half of all people who contributed to ConstitutionDAO are in this exact same boat, according to ConstitutionDAO itself. Admins posted on Discord immediately following the auction that "we had 17,437 donors, with a median donation size of $206.26. A significant percentage of these donations came from wallets that were initialized for the first time."

This means that about half of all people who donated to ConstitutionDAO are now going to either lose basically everything they put into Ethereum network fees or will have to become a supporter of an organization that tried to buy the Constitution, failed, and now essentially has no purpose.

:laffo:

TasogareNoKagi
Jul 11, 2013

JammyB posted:

Good article here about the failed Constitution"DAO" and more detail on the losses for their backers.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb8av/constitutiondao-aftermath-everyone-very-mad-confused-losing-lots-of-money-fighting-crying-etc



:laffo:

aaaaaand it's gone.

I'm sorry sir, this line is for bag hodlers only.

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!
I remember like a decade ago, some bitcoin guy had this fantastic idea of backing bitcoins with TF2 keys. I can’t for the life of me remember what that actually entailed though. How would one back bitcoins with TF2 keys?

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Gutcruncher posted:

I remember like a decade ago, some bitcoin guy had this fantastic idea of backing bitcoins with TF2 keys. I can’t for the life of me remember what that actually entailed though. How would one back bitcoins with TF2 keys?

The same way backing anything works, you guarantee an exchange via contract.

For example a "mortgage backed" security from the 2008 mess is a bond where if the bond is defaulted on, they promise to give you ownership of mortgages which will pay the money to you instead.

So to back a currency, you just sign a contract or a law that says "I'll give you one pound of silver for a British pound wherever you want" and add as many asterisks as you need to make it work.

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

Cryptocurrency has to be the most effective money filter in the history of money filter scams.

It tracks pretty well with the revelation that less than 1% of participants benefited from the Amway scam. The other 99% all lost money or made so little it literally wasn't worth their time.

If the 1% of beneficiaries of crypto are zealous enough and can hang on long enough, then they can potentially legally solidify the pyramid scheme the same way Amway did in 1979 FTC vs. Amway supreme court case. If that happens we'll have yet another exploitative capitalist meat grinder entrenched by law slowly dragging down the entire system with bloated billionaire leeches. And boy do they seem zealous enough.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the major beneficiaries of crypto already got theirs and started cashing out, it's the second wave of bag-holders fighting to institutionalize it through uh... aggressive tweeting and poo poo so they can start making money on it someday, eventually

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


ikanreed posted:

For example a "mortgage backed" security from the 2008 mess is a bond where if the bond is defaulted on, they promise to give you ownership of mortgages which will pay the money to you instead.

Securitized products can get pretty weird so it's not possible to say that nothing like this exists, but that's not how a standard residential mortgage-backed security works. It's not actually a bond; rather, you pay some money now for rights to a fraction of the payments received by a pool of mortgages. If a mortgage holder in your pool defaults or prepays, you just don't get any future payments from them. But every loan is split across many securities, so there's no way for someone to own the whole loan unless they buy all of those securities, and regulations would make that tough for all but the largest market participants (who are generally the banks trying to limit their exposure to the loans in the first place).

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
love that governments are getting into cryptocurrency now

i mean if you wanted any other evidence that our entire economy is 100% fuckin' scams

Flowers for QAnon
May 20, 2019

Coinbase email from this morning. They think the constitution debacle is a good thing, lol.



What’s up? It’s Coinbase Bytes

There’s never a dull moment on the blockchain. Here’s what you need to know this week:

Crypto philanthropy is on the rise. We’re taking a look at the intersection of crypto and the nonprofit sector.

A crypto club tried to buy the Constitution. A group called ConstitutionDAO crowd-funded millions to buy a “first printing” of the document.

Meet NFT artist, pplpleasr. Emily Yang has become one of the most popular and outspoken creators in crypto.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Foo Diddley posted:

love that governments are getting into cryptocurrency now

i mean if you wanted any other evidence that our entire economy is 100% fuckin' scams

They’re actively getting away from cryptocurrencies with the notable exception of a country that doesn’t mint its own currency

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

Flowers for QAnon posted:

Coinbase email from this morning. They think the constitution debacle is a good thing, lol.



What’s up? It’s Coinbase Bytes

There’s never a dull moment on the blockchain. Here’s what you need to know this week:

Crypto philanthropy is on the rise. We’re taking a look at the intersection of crypto and the nonprofit sector.

A crypto club tried to buy the Constitution. A group called ConstitutionDAO crowd-funded millions to buy a “first printing” of the document.

Meet NFT artist, pplpleasr. Emily Yang has become one of the most popular and outspoken creators in crypto.

They made millions in fees on both purchases and refunds, the more failures like Constitution DAO, the better for Coinbase.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

JammyB posted:

Good article here about the failed Constitution"DAO" and more detail on the losses for their backers.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb8av/constitutiondao-aftermath-everyone-very-mad-confused-losing-lots-of-money-fighting-crying-etc

This is especially hilarious because I remember in the very first Bitcoin thread in GBS (followed by the legendary first reply of “Dunning-Krugerrands”), the dweeb mentioned “no fees” as an advantage of bitcoin and crypto in general. Yet here we are, a decade or so later, and fees are literally so high that it’s impossible to move money without losing it all if you request a refund.

This is some wild poo poo, I’ll tell ya.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

jokes posted:

If people understood finance or thought about what they were doing, they wouldn’t be buying crypto and going to crypto convention things. If they wanted to buy bonds and were serious about the investment, they wouldn’t be buying bonds that are at all involved with Crypto.

Yeah, nah. Crypto people are incredibly susceptible to "[word they recognise] but with bitcoin" to the point where scammers have almost run out of words they recognise. Beyond that it's important to realise that most crypto people are incredibly serious about their investment but its deadly important to that investment that they stay in the frivolous nonsense waste money party doing memes because the moment that they brownian motion from 51% to 49% they are going to be bagholders for the other party goers. Well, more of a bagholder.

mkvltra
Nov 1, 2020

I think Michael Saylor got deleted / banned from Youtube lol

Beef
Jul 26, 2004
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539285683911786496/913196777233068082/tumblr_r2ppe8tl8w1qgz7mu_720.mp4

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

:five:

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Watching the Thanksgiving day parade with the wife and they were telling us about how there were NFT's of iconic floats.
Wife asked me to explain what an NFT was, because she thought they were "just digital pictures right"
"No"

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
My theory is that at least tether will actually never pop/be truly regulated out of existence because tether also funded a non-insignificant amount of Joe Biden's campaign, either all liquid actual money ended up there or its just nominally in clownpeniscoins.

But the mere thought of it perpetuating forever because actually banning it would be pulling the plug on a considerable amount of his beneficiary funding instead of solely trying to stick it to China is also very funny.

Durzel
Nov 15, 2005


People are making money on crypto. Average Joes are making money on it. Some might be making quite a lot of money (at the expense of others, of course). Pretending that they aren't isn't productive.

The problem, I think, is that people are dressing it up as anything more than basically ponzi schemes, greater fool theory and rug pulls galore.

If you digest any of the true believer YouTube content they would have you believe that todays token is going to be the greatest thing ever, because it solves a previously unsolveable but also indecipherable problem. How has humanity even functioned up til this point without it? The blockchain solves everything, and once it takes hold - tomorrow, always tomorrow - time will be known as pre and post blockchain, BC if you will. Also, crusty old fiat institutions are both embracing it but are also irrelevant to it. Crypto doesn't need those institutions and will make them and their old school ways obsolete, but it's important that they're interested, and it's a Good Sign.

That token the true believers mentioned yesterday? Mehh it's interesting, but it's not today's token. Today's token is really going to moon. Get in on it now and get your 100X gains. Where are those 100X gains coming from? Oh it's the same people we're hyping to, but they got in a bit late. The sooner you get in the sooner you can get your returns from the next wave of chumps savvy investors. Also your gains might only exist on the internet, because there isn't the liquidity to convert it into something that actually means something - i.e. fiat - or you might not be allowed to anyway (vesting periods, etc). Also, just disregard whatever vested interest the true believers have is completely altruistic and in no way relates to any positions they might hold or have been asked to shill.

NFTs, now they feel like crypto insanity squared. It's not enough that new word salad DeFi launchpad crypto problem solving coins appear every day and are simultaneously both nascent and obviously going to cure cancer, NFTs are like an insane multiverse joke. If someone had told me a year ago that people would be claiming that JPGs could be owned and had insane value in spite of absolute triviality with which they can be copied with 100% bit accuracy, I'd think they were mad.

Actually I wouldn't, because this train has been going down and down towards what I can only presume to be impossible to imagine - a singularity.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Jeffrey put the forums on the blockchain to solve the problem

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Durzel posted:

People are making money on crypto.

...

Also your gains might only exist on the internet, because there isn't the liquidity to convert it into something that actually means something - i.e. fiat - or you might not be allowed to anyway (vesting periods, etc).

If you can't cash out, you haven't made money. You might think you have because number go up, but all that really matters for any portfolio is the cash you can get for it.

waydownLo
Oct 1, 2016

I’d show this to coiners but I doubt many of them know what DS9 was

Durzel
Nov 15, 2005


ultrafilter posted:

If you can't cash out, you haven't made money. You might think you have because number go up, but all that really matters for any portfolio is the cash you can get for it.
Preaching to the choir, friend.

Jellymouth
Jul 9, 2009
Fun Shoe
The only way people make money on crypto is through greater fool financing or just outright scamming people.

And the crypto world is full of idiots and suckers.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Jellymouth posted:

The only way people make money on crypto is through greater fool financing or just outright scamming people.

And the crypto world is full of idiots and suckers.

I love this part, if it wasn't for this how would my clients make money off these idiots? Clients care about being up usd at the end, they don't give a poo poo about bitcoin.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Jellymouth posted:

The only way people make money on crypto is through greater fool financing or just outright scamming people.

And the crypto world is full of idiots and suckers.

Doubly so if they are Musk fanatics.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

waydownLo posted:

I’d show this to coiners but I doubt many of them know what DS9 was

aatrek definitely owns coins

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.


Water finds it's own level.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Three Olives posted:



Water finds it's own level.

Great, now there's a TERF coin!

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit

HootTheOwl posted:

Great, now there's a TERF coin!

£ has been around for a while mate

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