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Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Quicksave/quickload suck rear end but being able to stop playing whenever and resume where you left off is great. That's why save-and-quit is good

Just alt-tab out of the program or put the console in sleep mode and walk away.

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galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Quicksave/quickload suck rear end but being able to stop playing whenever and resume where you left off is great. That's why save-and-quit is good

The Metriodvania Castlevania’s on the GBA and DS had a great system like this. You had Super Metroid style save rooms like any sensible metroidvania, but you at any time could select “suspend” from the menu, which would save your game at the exact spot and moment you were at. BUT doing so would kick you to the title screen and loading the suspend save deleted it. So you could use it if, say you had to turn off your game boy because the bus was at your stop, but couldn’t use it to savescum.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


galagazombie posted:

The DualShock only still exists for branding purposes. It became so iconic, so visually self explanatory, so representative and visual shorthand of the consoles themselves, that they can’t change to the objectively better stick layout that everyone else, even third party PlayStation controllers, uses.

Also it’s infuriating to no end that all three companies have an X button and it’s located somewhere different on all three.

I mean, it's apples and oranges. I used to prefer the Xbox layout and after years of mostly PS use I highly prefer the horizontal sticks, but it's just because that's what I'm used to. Ergonomically there is no reason offset sticks works better or worse than horizontal sticks, but more companies use it so it's more of the norm.

I wouldn't mind a gold standard for everything though. Im sure I'd get used to it again quickly and it would make the two a lot less annoying to switch between.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


just fix the goddamn letters in the buttons imo

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Playing on switch drives me nuts cause even years later I remember the Xbox positioning and prompts always make me hit the wrong button. I guess you can blame that one on MS not Nintendo though. Would have been nice if they thought of something better than jumbling nintendo button placements.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

flavor.flv posted:

lol no they didn't, they just copied the dreamcast controller and put the extra stick and buttons whatever they would fit

you're twisting your brain to find meaning in tea leaves

Dualshock came out 2 years before the Dreamcast. Thank you drive though.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
At least Sony has the excuse that “It’s not an X it a shape made of two lines” like the other face buttons are themed after. Microsoft just used Nintendo’s buttons backwards.

Also it’s crazy that after all these years we’re still essentially using the SNES controller on all three brands. Even the GameCube uses the layout albeit obscured. Ironically Nintendo is the only company that has tried to use something besides it with the N64 and Wii, but each time gave up and went back to the snes next system.

galagazombie fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Nov 26, 2021

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Caesar Saladin posted:

i bet there are still pc gamers who are hammering F5 every four seconds, despite the fact that it doesn't do anything, its just so built into their muscle memory

don't dox me

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Who What Now posted:

Just alt-tab out of the program or put the console in sleep mode and walk away.

I turn off my computer at night so the blinky lights don't keep me awake when I try to sleep

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Don't have a case with a bunch of LEDs I guess?

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
It just has the one power led on the front but it blinks to indicate the pc is in sleep mode and i hate blinking lights

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Provided it's standard ATX you could pull the Power LED cable from the header.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Sleeping mask was the best investment I ever made.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Black duck tape, or electrical tape.

I know, I know, your precious child of a PC must have nothing but clean lines, but a tiny 5x10mm square will be invisible to the casual glance and save you time&money for finding a "proper" fix.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
I think I will just continue saving and quitting my videogames the normal way instead of duct taping my computer to avoid having to close the game when I turn it off. I have an SSD so it powers up in a few seconds anyways.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

galagazombie posted:

At least Sony has the excuse that “It’s not an X it a shape made of two lines” like the other face buttons are themed after. Microsoft just used Nintendo’s buttons backwards.

Also it’s crazy that after all these years we’re still essentially using the SNES controller on all three brands. Even the GameCube uses the layout albeit obscured. Ironically Nintendo is the only company that has tried to use something besides it with the N64 and Wii, but each time gave up and went back to the snes next system.

Can't beat perfection

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

galagazombie posted:

The Metriodvania Castlevania’s on the GBA and DS had a great system like this. You had Super Metroid style save rooms like any sensible metroidvania, but you at any time could select “suspend” from the menu, which would save your game at the exact spot and moment you were at. BUT doing so would kick you to the title screen and loading the suspend save deleted it. So you could use it if, say you had to turn off your game boy because the bus was at your stop, but couldn’t use it to savescum.

lol the GBA castlevania collection now has save states and a rewind button

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

I guess this must be an unpopular opinion but I too hate the tendency of PC cases to have tons and tons of LEDs, but plenty don't have any LEDs so I just buy one of those instead of letting myself be annoyed constantly whenever my computer is on (that frees me up to constantly annoy others)

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Unpopular opinion: VR games are universally bad and VR hardware is buoyed by pornography, can we all just agree to stop making bad VR games and admit to each other that VR porn is cool and good? It's fine you don't have to pretend to love that lovely Rick and Morty game to justify stroking your micropeen

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

VR porn (which is really just stereo 180 video) sucks. The real explosion (of cum) will happen with volumetric/lightfield video, but while hardware is getting to the point of being capable of decoding and displaying lightfield video in real time, capture is still prohibitively expensive and the production pipeline is immature.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

I have to imagine there's a lightfield video of a google engineer banging a sex worker sitting on a hard drive out there somewhere

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Waltzing Along posted:

Dualshock came out 2 years before the Dreamcast. Thank you drive though.

They’re talking about the Xbox controller.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
any corporate porn studio that's big and rich enough to buy fancy vr equipment is gonna be evil and exploitative anyways

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003


1989

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Controllers are some wild poo poo.

To be fair to Microsoft, by the time the original Xbox was out, Nintendo hadn't used the 'classic' controller setup for two console generations, with the N64 and Gamecube infamously doing their own weird thing, and I think the DS wasn't out yet with the return of the SNES style controls. It's not something I remember people really complaining about until relatively recently when the Switch came out. And at least thankfully Switch games just indicate which button to press visually, since they have to due to how joy-cons work.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Sidestepping the size issue of being designed for large hands, the only real design problem with the first Xbox controller were those two buttons, black and white, which were in a really awkward position even when you had large enough hands to otherwise use the controller as designed.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

The EGS owns and gives out free games weekly most of which are pretty good. People who hate it are addicted to Steam achievements and need to free themselves from the addiction to watching their Steam number go up.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
The only videogame opinion id push someone in front of a bus for is trying to claim the duke is a good controller

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Also its kinda funny to hear people say things like "you should be able to manipulate a single player game however you wish". You absolutely should yes but also how does that not make the experience way more meaningless?

Yet another way in which dota breaks your brain. Not only does it make you ok with a game being a source of frustration but it also makes most other games mechanics feel so empty.

Basically scoring a goal in rockert league or getting the last hit on a dota 2 ancient is just 100 times more enjoyable than any FROM boss because the FROM boss is a fake challenge (replace FROM boss with any number of empty single player videogame mechanics)

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



JollyBoyJohn posted:

Also its kinda funny to hear people say things like "you should be able to manipulate a single player game however you wish". You absolutely should yes but also how does that not make the experience way more meaningless?

You could make a video game a million times more meaningless and it would still be just as meaningless as it was before.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Quote-Unquote posted:

You could make a video game a million times more meaningless and it would still be just as meaningless as it was before.

No because it means something to the people that enjoy it

Like I'm a celebrity get me out of here is meaningless to me but it means a lot to the three women at my work today

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

"only dota is meaningful" has gotta be the worst display of moba poisoning i've ever seen

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



JollyBoyJohn posted:

No because it means something to the people that enjoy it

Like I'm a celebrity get me out of here is meaningless to me but it means a lot to the three women at my work today

Yeah so what does it matter if people fart about in single player if they're enjoying it?

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Quote-Unquote posted:

Yeah so what does it matter if people fart about in single player if they're enjoying it?

Oh Well it makes me feel superior since I've been there and realised how empty it is now that I've evolved i guess?

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Caesar Saladin posted:

"only dota is meaningful" has gotta be the worst display of moba poisoning i've ever seen

*Leans in close and whispers into your ear*

You know you'd enjoy it if you tried it

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Caesar Saladin posted:

"only dota is meaningful" has gotta be the worst display of moba poisoning i've ever seen

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

dota with friends is fine but it's a trash genre

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Relevant Tangent posted:

dota with friends is fine but it's a trash genre

I should probably specify that i only play with friends

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Like lol yeah, no poo poo, grinding solo dota games sounds miserable but no more than grinding counterstrike or overwatch solo sounds equally miserable

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itry
Aug 23, 2019




Friends don't let friends play moba's

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