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steinrokkan posted:Prometheus was good, I, what? No. Look, it's fine to LIKE Prometheus, but it wasn't GOOD. Like, literally nothing about it makes sense. The plot, characterization, etc is just god awful. Literally every story beat 100% relies on every person in the movie being a complete gibbering dumbass. It's incredibly poor showing if you rely on the ignorance and lack of critical thinking of characters with no emotional reasons for it to tell a story. Even the creator alien that gets awakened which is supposed to be the creators of humanity and an intelligence, sapient, species is little more than a mute, hulking violent movie monster. It has no reason to do anything it does. Even the Aliens in Alien are at least...you know. Alien. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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Time to show the audience this character is a RISK TAKER and he's aggressively SEXY about it. *takes off his helmet* *is in a totally alien environment that the human body has zero adjustment to the toxins, germs, et al in the air. Dies days later*
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Nov 26, 2021 08:19
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Ridley Scott has been responsible for directing some all-time greats, but right now his reasoning is about as untangled as a loving Pot Noodle.
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Nov 26, 2021 08:30
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Even the creator alien that gets awakened which is supposed to be the creators of humanity and an intelligence, sapient, species is little more than a mute, hulking violent movie monster. It has no reason to do anything it does. Even the Aliens in Alien are at least...you know. Alien. I don't know how original the concept was, but I liked that part of the movie! Our gods, creators, architects gave absolutely zero fucks about us. We are not special.
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Nov 26, 2021 08:38
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Smeef posted:The movie is about real events and follows them very closely. I can’t remember anything from the movie that wasn’t in the (nonfiction) book. Well, except they’re speaking English in France. There are apparently a few bits that are left out or taking liberties, mostly towards the end, as the leading lady and her husband would go on to have two more kids and remain married for ten years til his death, and the other guy was quickly knighted before the duel so it would be between social equals. Obviously a lot of the personal parts are having to fill in the blanks and go by whatever historical accounts are available, but apparently the duel itself in particular is reconstructed accurately from the numerous eyewitness accounts. A couple of people are apparently turned off by the half-faceplates on the poster worn in the duel, but funny thing is I'm pretty sure they're also historically accurate. I presume they're jousting helmets, given the way the duel begins. Also pretty sure science has been a thing much longer than we think, and the Church not only supported it but was the main source of dudes who actually observed and experimented and wrote things down since they were among the few people you could expect to actually know how to read and write. That said, medicine has had scarily little to do with science until very recently, doctors were a great way to die and literally had to be forced to learn things like 'washing your hands makes your patients die less'.
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Nooner posted:Starwars guy and matt damon all mad and old timey horse fighting sounds hella gay dude 2/5
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There are apparently a few bits that are left out or taking liberties, mostly towards the end, as the leading lady and her husband would go on to have two more kids and remain married for ten years til his death, and the other guy was quickly knighted before the duel so it would be between social equals. Obviously a lot of the personal parts are having to fill in the blanks and go by whatever historical accounts are available, but apparently the duel itself in particular is reconstructed accurately from the numerous eyewitness accounts. Before the credits it notes the remainder of the survivors' lives very briefly. I don't really recall any significant differences between book and movie. No dropped characters, or merged characters, or new events, etc. There is a lot less exposition in the movie and a lot less 14th Century Norman legal analysis, though. It doesn't talk about the specific helmets in the book, but yes, they start by jousting. My science comment was even more of a quibble than that. I'm sure they had some form of 'natural philosophy' or whatever, but I thought in its contemporary meaning science didn't come until much later. However, I just googled it and learned that I am totally wrong and that the word science had been used in the modern sense even in 14th Century France, so uh, yeah.
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Nov 26, 2021 09:05
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Like the whole idea of medieval folks universally being ignorant morons living in their own poo poo and burning everyone who suggests not doing do as a witch is just as ahistorical as anything, and was mostly invented in the Renaissance by their if anything even more poo poo-covered descendants trying to make themselves look good.
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Nov 26, 2021 09:21
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Time to show the audience this character is a RISK TAKER and he's aggressively SEXY about it. He didn't die because he took his helmet off, he died because he was intentionally poisoned by one of the other characters. Did you even watch the movie?
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Nov 26, 2021 09:27
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like the whole idea of medieval folks universally being ignorant morons living in their own poo poo and burning everyone who suggests not doing do as a witch is just as ahistorical as anything, and was mostly invented in the Renaissance by their if anything even more poo poo-covered descendants trying to make themselves look good. Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that, and to be clear, it wasn't what I was trying to say, though it may have come across that way. In the movie one of the characters claims that if a woman orgasms it cannot be rape and that "it's science!" The use of the specific word science struck me as anachronistic compared to something like "everyone knows that" or "all learned men know that", etc. But then I looked it up and I was wrong about the history of the word science.
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Nov 26, 2021 09:39
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There's a lot of fun in historical accuracy, especially that a lot of people will be thrown off in the same way and think it's 'unrealistic' to depict things that don't go with their stereotypes of the era. Gladiator was originally going to have the gladiators advertising products and having action figures with their signature weapons- as they did in real life.
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Nov 26, 2021 10:02
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PeterCat posted:He didn't die because he took his helmet off, he died because he was intentionally poisoned by one of the other characters. Maybe they're thinking of the other bad Alien sequel where they take their helmets off
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Nov 26, 2021 19:15
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Time to show the audience this character is a RISK TAKER and he's aggressively SEXY about it. This tedious goony "criticism" that always gets repeated only makes me like Prometheus more.
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Nov 26, 2021 19:29
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Smeef posted:Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that, and to be clear, it wasn't what I was trying to say, though it may have come across that way. In the movie one of the characters claims that if a woman orgasms it cannot be rape and that "it's science!" The use of the specific word science struck me as anachronistic compared to something like "everyone knows that" or "all learned men know that", etc. But then I looked it up and I was wrong about the history of the word science. I question their research methodology
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Nov 26, 2021 19:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like the whole idea of medieval folks universally being ignorant morons living in their own poo poo and burning everyone who suggests not doing do as a witch is just as ahistorical as anything, and was mostly invented in the Renaissance by their if anything even more poo poo-covered descendants trying to make themselves look good. the movie is pretty good about this, but it did fall into the trap having the characters cite laws that hadn't been a thing for literally a thousand years at that point. the reality of 12 century france just wasn't oppressive enough though, gotta spice it up.
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Nov 26, 2021 19:45
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Smeef posted:Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that, and to be clear, it wasn't what I was trying to say, though it may have come across that way. In the movie one of the characters claims that if a woman orgasms it cannot be rape and that "it's science!" The use of the specific word science struck me as anachronistic compared to something like "everyone knows that" or "all learned men know that", etc. But then I looked it up and I was wrong about the history of the word science. I don't think the word science had quite the same meaning as it does now where it refers to a particular set of methodologies but yeah the word itself is old as heck and it's use at the time fits what you have described. But for a real goonsay, the film is in modern English. So when they use the word science it should have it's modern meaning, which IS historically inaccurate. Although I guess you could argue modern people frequently use the word science in a far broader sense than it's technical one.
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I really like Scott (I'm the only person alive who actually liked Alien Covenant.) But I didn't watch this movie because Ben Afflec and Matt Damon are charisma vacums and the two most boring men alive. Not that it would have mattered since there's no theatre in my town.
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Nov 26, 2021 21:37
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Time to show the audience this character is a RISK TAKER and he's aggressively SEXY about it. I used to feel this way until the pandemic happened and now the way the crew acted on site seems realistic.
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Nov 26, 2021 21:41
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Can anyone tell me how its even possible to watch this movie? It ain't in any theaters and it doesnt seem to be streaming literally anywhere
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Nov 26, 2021 22:13
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You have to go to one of those jousting and dinner places at precisely 6:48 pm, enter the men's bathroom and hit your head against the wall until you see the movie play out in your head.
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Nov 26, 2021 22:16
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The Scientist posted:Can anyone tell me how its even possible to watch this movie? It ain't in any theaters and it doesnt seem to be streaming literally anywhere if you stop looking at your cell phone for 24 hours the movie will present itself to you
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Nov 26, 2021 22:20
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steinrokkan posted:This tedious goony "criticism" that always gets repeated only makes me like Prometheus more. If the character had complained about their mask being uncomfortable before taking it off it wouldn't even be unrealistic as we have seen
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Nov 26, 2021 22:31
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Characters taking masks/helmets off is totally fine if "unrealistic". Audiences don't respond well to a person who's face is hidden, and it would be a nightmare to distinguish one character from another. Yeah you can do the dorky big bubble helmet with lights blasting the actors face but that's even more goofy. Hell, it would be better if they just never had them in the first place - don't draw attention to the need for one and the audience is less likely to be annoyed by them not having it. However this only really works in a setting where there isn't an airborne threat. Like in Covenant, having people land with no helmet and then get infested by spores that would've been blocked by one feels inconsistent.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Even the creator alien that gets awakened which is supposed to be the creators of humanity and an intelligence, sapient, species is little more than a mute, hulking violent movie monster. It has no reason to do anything it does. Even the Aliens in Alien are at least...you know. Alien. I’m the original version of the script he has a chest burster inside him and he is pissed the humans woke him up and now he’s going to die. Fashionable Jorts posted:Characters taking masks/helmets off is totally fine if "unrealistic". Audiences don't respond well to a person who's face is hidden, and it would be a nightmare to distinguish one character from another. Yeah you can do the dorky big bubble helmet with lights blasting the actors face but that's even more goofy. . Milo and POTUS posted:If the character had complained about their mask being uncomfortable before taking it off it wouldn't even be unrealistic as we have seen *Nerd voice on* People only complain about the helmets thing because as viewers they know about face huggers. The characters don’t. Where were the complaints about no helmets in Star Trek? *Nerd voice off*
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Extra row of tits posted:People only complain about the helmets thing because as viewers they know about face huggers The facehugger busted thru Kane's helmet's faceshield like it was made of wet paper so that doesn't really even apply here anyways People complain because in the first Alien they did an atmospheric analysis of the planet and thus kept their spacesuits and helmets on, instead of going "hey let's just take these off like we're in a 1950s sci-fi movie where the planet just conveniently has the same type of atmosphere as a California desert" In other words people in the first Alien had logical and sensible reactions to things (aside from Brett, who was dumb enough to let the cat go and then hang out by himself in a dark and dank room when there was a weird alien creature that'd already killed one crewmember on the loose). In Prometheus people just do dumb poo poo because IITS (It's In The Script)
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Sydney Bottocks posted:In other words people in the first Alien had logical and sensible reactions to things (aside from Brett, who was dumb enough to let the cat go and then hang out by himself in a dark and dank room when there was a weird alien creature that'd already killed one crewmember on the loose). In Prometheus people just do dumb poo poo because IITS (It's In The Script) No, it's their characters. Look at everything you just typed and have a think about the contrasts of the characters in the two movies, and what the point of that might be. Like you're so close to realizing a point you don't even know you're trying to make. stratdax fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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stratdax posted:No, it's their characters. Look at everything you just typed and have a think about the contrasts of the characters in the two movies, and what the point of that might be. Like you're so close to realizing a point you don't even know you're trying to make. If you mean that the contrast is the characters in Prometheus are a bunch of idiots and the characters in Alien generally aren't, then sure I mean, I'd like Prometheus better if it was Scott trying to make a contrast with the original film by saying "the blue-collar space truckers in Alien had more common sense than the supposedly more intelligent white-collar scientists and executives in Prometheus", but I don't think that was actually the point he was trying to make, I think he legitimately put stuff in the film becaue he thought it'd be shocking or cool
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Alien franchise was always a slasher film, it's perfectly reasonable for characters to act like dumb stoned teens
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Really there should have been a scene where the soon to be victims find an alien proboscis and dare each other to deep throat it
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I will say I do agree with those who say that, given the events of recent years, the dumb poo poo that happens in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant has turned out to actually be far more plausible than most of us would have ever previously considered
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Best part of Prometheus and Covenant is when Michael Fassbender gets it on with himself. In addition to sporting a spectacular hog, as seen on full flailing display in Shame, it’s Ridley really probing the philosophical depths of the age old question of “what would you do if you met you?”
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like the whole idea of medieval folks universally being ignorant morons living in their own poo poo and burning everyone who suggests not doing do as a witch is just as ahistorical as anything. Funny how there's a lot of people in the modern era who do act like this because it feels like the "correct" and "natural" way to behave due to their broken brains.
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I didn't like The Martian.
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Smeef posted:Best part of Prometheus and Covenant is when Michael Fassbender gets it on with himself. In addition to sporting a spectacular hog, as seen on full flailing display in Shame, it’s Ridley really probing the philosophical depths of the age old question of “what would you do if you met you?” was writing a response thinking you wrote "would you do you if you met you?" anyways my answer was yes if I'm Michael Fassbender
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Sydney Bottocks posted:If you mean that the contrast is the characters in Prometheus are a bunch of idiots and the characters in Alien generally aren't, then sure Why are you so worried about what you thought the director was trying to do? Movies aren't puzzles.
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PeterCat posted:Why are you so worried about what you thought the director was trying to do? Yeah, it’s almost like you are putting forward your thoughts about a movie during a discussion of that movie!
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I don't like dumb characters in settings where they are ostensibly supposed to be smart (big company investing lots of money etc. etc.) because it paints the world at large as very cynical - a world where meritocracy means so little that even the richest man in the world can't hire competent help even when his life literally depends on it. But yeah as others have said, many of the crew really don't matter they are a smoke screen. I mean I get that but does that imply that Weyland intentionally hired dumb people as, like, a practical joke then? On himself? You'd think his smoke screen "science" crew would be a bunch of normal, skilled people then. But theyre really not
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The Scientist posted:Can anyone tell me how its even possible to watch this movie? It ain't in any theaters and it doesnt seem to be streaming literally anywhere Buy a newspaper or call 777-FILM 
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sure okay posted:I don't like dumb characters in settings where they are ostensibly supposed to be smart (big company investing lots of money etc. etc.) because it paints the world at large as very cynical - a world where meritocracy means so little that even the richest man in the world can't hire competent help even when his life literally depends on it. Are you at all familiar with reality
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PeterCat posted:Why are you so worried about what you thought the director was trying to do? Ah, the good old "just turn your brain off" defense
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