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MCU TV: CIVIL WAR (OVER PENTHOUSE FINANCING)
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Nov 27, 2021 03:00
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MCU TV: HAWKEYE - WEALTH IS OP, DISNEY; PLEASE NERF!
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Nov 27, 2021 03:03
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Gaz-L posted:This is kinda the key. It's fair enough if people aren't enjoying the show, but a lot of the criticisms seem to be 'I'd like this way better if it was a totally different show with a different cast and story'. And whatever else this is, it's very much intended to be evoking the imagery and tone of a specific run on the comics, and introducing a specific very popular comics character in a way that has her feel consistent with the version on the page.
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Nov 27, 2021 04:02
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Gaz-L posted:This is kind of a fascinating complaint. Like... they should make you care about Kate and her family by... showing less of them and their relationships? They should either make her mother/'stepfather' actually interesting or just stop focusing on them so much. I was bored whenever they were on screen, more bored than even Jeremy Renner.
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Nov 27, 2021 04:41
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Firebert posted:They should either make her mother/'stepfather' actually interesting or just stop focusing on them so much. I was bored whenever they were on screen, more bored than even Jeremy Renner. Well, the stepfather seems to be some kind of Hawkeye of close-combat weaponry who is also part of some kind of "John Wick light" underworld.
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Nov 27, 2021 05:07
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What I find interesting about Kate is that she still wants to be a hero and looks up to Hawkeye even after everything that happened during the Blip. I’m assuming she wasn’t dusted away in that five year frame, so to me it’s somewhat fascinating that she still believes in the heroes who cocked it up six years ago. I don’t think it’s something that the show will tackle but I really like the plucky optimistic character archetype
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Nov 27, 2021 06:17
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Thundercracker posted:It's Marvel. I mean, do you complain when your Chipotle isn't authentically Mexican? The whole point of MCU is you know within a spectrum what your gonna get. That's why it consistently succeeds whereas even good DCU movies fail at the BO like The Suicide Squad because apparently no one was asking for a hard R sequel to a goofy superhero movie. Consistency is its own quality. Yeah I do complain actually because I am literally Mexican E: also I gotta say this is just so sad. I watched this tv show because I need to see just how bad it is for myself. It’s in the general pop culture and my friends watch it and want to talk about it in group chats. I like to keep up with them. I’m sorry you actually enjoy this slop. Have fun with it my man Also the suicide squad failed because it didn’t have Will Smith, confusing name/marketing, and Margot Robbie’s harley Quinn is now proven to not get anyone to see any of these movies. The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Nov 27, 2021 06:32
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The Walt Disney company is not happy with me--that's okay, I'll still keep watching that garbage.
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Nov 27, 2021 06:50
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if something is gonna be bad it better at least be fun
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Nov 27, 2021 07:14
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Bust Rodd posted:Hawkeye begs the question “what kind of Marvel movie can we make with basically no budget, shooting the entire thing in the hotel I stayed in last April” You can tell from the 4k transfer that they clearly shot in New York.
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Nov 27, 2021 08:29
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Squidster posted:If it were a totally different show/cast/story that evoked the themes and tone of the Fraction/Aja run, I've love it. The show has the imagery down, but isn't connecting with the source material. Feige's made it abundantly clear at this point that he's only ever going to use the source material as a jumping off point.
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Nov 27, 2021 08:41
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Firebert posted:They should either make her mother/'stepfather' actually interesting or just stop focusing on them so much. I was bored whenever they were on screen, more bored than even Jeremy Renner. Marvel’s foundation, cinematically, was forged around the most interesting Rich, White person on Earth, and I think there’s a really big disconnect between Tony Stark and the next most interesting rich, white people in the MCU, and whoever those characters would be, they are at least 50 names ahead of “The Bishop Family” in terms of engaging or interesting characters.
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Nov 27, 2021 10:03
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Man, it took me a minute to recognize Lalo Salamanca in a tuxedo.
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Nov 27, 2021 10:08
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Mage_Boy posted:With all the hints leading to the new step-father being the villain, overall started to look at Kate's mother instead. Now I'm wondering: we saw the mother and father arguing over money and then the alien attack happens and we know the father is dead from the funeral. Could this be Kate's mother finding a way to make sure he dies for life insurance? They did never show him die. Yeah that's the immediate impression I got. She owns a clearly evil mega-security company and had a bitter argument with a man who ended up dead two hours later. My prediction is that Lalo's a secret good guy and is trying to get close to Madam Bishop to stop whatever dark poo poo she's been doing.
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Nov 27, 2021 11:46
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Gotta say, Evil Mum Theory is starting to make a lot of sense.
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Nov 27, 2021 14:52
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I assume that Mean Mom wanted to make a deal with organized crime to save the family fortune, but Cool Dad refused so she pushed him off the balcony during the attack, and did it anyway. Now Kate has to blow away both family and fortune for Justice.
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Nov 27, 2021 15:11
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Gotta say, Evil Mum Theory is starting to make a lot of sense. There is basically no reality in which a millionaire security company heiress amassed her fortune through ethical contract negotiations and shrewd business acumen
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Nov 27, 2021 15:29
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Nameless Pete posted:Man, it took me a minute to recognize Lalo Salamanca in a tuxedo.
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Nov 27, 2021 16:04
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Bust Rodd posted:There is basically no reality in which a millionaire security company heiress amassed her fortune through ethical contract negotiations and shrewd business acumen The app which reveals the location of literally ANYONE without sanctioning by law is incredibly tone-deaf it it's not supposed a hint of evil.
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Nov 27, 2021 16:18
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MiddleOne posted:The app which reveals the location of literally ANYONE without sanctioning by law is incredibly tone-deaf it it's not supposed a hint of evil. Yeah when Kate whipped that out and used it without any sort of passing comment was definitely an 'umm..' moment.
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Nov 27, 2021 16:23
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I also just kind of refuse to believe that Hawkeye, both a former Avenger and a Shield Agent, would be caught dead using a civilian phone with a traceable SIM card. It’s like a totally contrived Mission: Impossible piece of sloppy writing. I would have been less offended if she used the dog as a bloodhound to track him.
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Nov 27, 2021 17:05
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Gaz-L posted:This is kinda the key. It's fair enough if people aren't enjoying the show, but a lot of the criticisms seem to be 'I'd like this way better if it was a totally different show with a different cast and story'. And whatever else this is, it's very much intended to be evoking the imagery and tone of a specific run on the comics, and introducing a specific very popular comics character in a way that has her feel consistent with the version on the page. Really digging the Shane Black Marvel Christmas vibe being used again after it was so effective in Iron Man 3. Here's hoping it sticks the landing. The D+ shows have been struggling with that.
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Nov 27, 2021 17:10
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It probably goes without saying that the final episode of Hawkeye is going to introduce the real villain in the final act and I’m already gonna hate it lol
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Nov 27, 2021 17:39
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Bust Rodd posted:I also just kind of refuse to believe that Hawkeye, both a former Avenger and a Shield Agent, would be caught dead using a civilian phone with a traceable SIM card. It’s like a totally contrived Mission: Impossible piece of sloppy writing. I would have been less offended if she used the dog as a bloodhound to track him. I kind of bought it. At this point Clint Barton isn't Hawkeye or an Agent of SHIELD. He is/was a dude taking his kids for Christmas in New York. He's not going to do that with spy gear and trick arrows. He's out of that life so he doesn't want to carry around any paraphernalia from it. So, he carries around a regular phone now. Another part of it is world-weary overconfidence. He's fought Thanos. And Aliens. And robots. The Tracksuit Mafia is not something he considers to be a threat. I thought his general unspoken position when he let himself be captured was "Let me talk to your boss and settle this diplomatically. Or I'll just kill every last one of you and settle it that way." And/or maybe Bishop Security has some really next-level tracking software that can beat "untraceable" SIM cards. Also at some point Clint's Phone does need to be usable as a phone, so it does need to be "detectable" when he's trying to call somebody or if he wants somebody (like Kate if need be) to call him. She literally has his number, so it makes sense that she can use his phone to track him.
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Nov 27, 2021 17:52
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MiddleOne posted:The app which reveals the location of literally ANYONE without sanctioning by law is incredibly tone-deaf it it's not supposed a hint of evil. Remember when the Avengers used the magic phone tapping tool from the Dark Knight to instantly find Loki? You might not because the film definitely didn't think about it for a single second!
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Nov 27, 2021 17:57
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Bust Rodd posted:There is basically no reality in which a millionaire security company heiress amassed her fortune through ethical contract negotiations and shrewd business acumen There is also basically no reality in which Vera Farmiga is playing the "supportive, totally not suspicious" mom in a Marvel series. This ain't Linda Cardellini.
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Nov 27, 2021 18:28
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Proteus Jones posted:Yeah, but the counterpoint is that DUNC did the same and outperformed SS by quite a bit. Dunc was basically a foreign fillm right? It was released overseas like a normal movie before it got the simultanious release.
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Nov 27, 2021 19:08
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Mom runs a PMC firm, and her daughter got to hack a super hero's phone because of it. Of course she's some sort of villain. And that it was obvious to everyone but Kate should be a plot point.
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Nov 27, 2021 19:10
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HootTheOwl posted:Dunc was basically a foreign fillm right? It was released overseas like a normal movie before it got the simultanious release. I thought that was only in Venice for the film festival.
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Nov 27, 2021 19:15
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Everyone posted:I kind of bought it. At this point Clint Barton isn't Hawkeye or an Agent of SHIELD. He is/was a dude taking his kids for Christmas in New York. He's not going to do that with spy gear and trick arrows. He's out of that life so he doesn't want to carry around any paraphernalia from it. So, he carries around a regular phone now. Also Clint literally had a flip phone. He's not someone who's that tech savvy. He probably doesn't even think about this stuff. Clint seems less a spy and more an assassin. All the skills we've seen him use are directly connected to him getting into place for the perfect shot. Nat was clearly the one that was the spy. But yea, its glaringly obvious that somethings not right with Mom Bishop, that her company isn't on the up and up, and you're meant to think that. Plus her outfit at the Gala was totally a supervillain outfit. It made me think of, oh whats that villains name? Its not the hood, but its a woman who dresses all in red?
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Nov 27, 2021 19:24
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all's I know is that something better happen, and fast!
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Nov 27, 2021 20:23
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Thundercracker posted:Yeah. I find the accusations of cheapness weird because if you want cheap shoot in Georgia or Toronto. Shooting onsite in NYC is not cheap.Its a union town I’ve only watched the first episode, but the action is pretty awful. The stunt work itself seems fine, but none of it connects into anything interesting. This is a real problem because the amount of time spent on it suggests this is an action show. It’s like a musical with broadway production values and amateur singers. ghostwritingduck fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Nov 27, 2021 21:03
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Is the next episode in a week or two weeks?
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Nov 28, 2021 00:00
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Mage_Boy posted:With all the hints leading to the new step-father being the villain, overall started to look at Kate's mother instead. Now I'm wondering: we saw the mother and father arguing over money and then the alien attack happens and we know the father is dead from the funeral. Could this be Kate's mother finding a way to make sure he dies for life insurance? They did never show him die. The fiance is Swordsman, the guy who trained Clint, right?
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Nov 28, 2021 01:15
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10 Beers posted:The fiance is Swordsman, the guy who trained Clint, right? That's my guess. The MCU version, anyway. Given the weapon talent and the relationship to (a)/Hawkeye?
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Nov 28, 2021 01:23
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AJA posted:That's my guess. The MCU version, anyway. Given the weapon talent and the relationship to (a)/Hawkeye? I don't know that it'll be the same relationship at the least, since Renner is 50 while Tony Dalton is 46 and their characters reflect that rough age; so him having trained Renner's character would be slightly weird. They might be contemporaries or allies, rather than one having taught the other.
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Nov 28, 2021 01:27
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Is the next episode in a week or two weeks? It's listed as December 1st
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Nov 28, 2021 01:44
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tsob posted:I don't know that it'll be the same relationship at the least, since Renner is 50 while Tony Dalton is 46 and their characters reflect that rough age; so him having trained Renner's character would be slightly weird. They might be contemporaries or allies, rather than one having taught the other. No, not the same at all (and also, hopefully no giant fin on his head!). And while the comics version was instrumental in Barton/Hawkeye's origin, this one may do the same for Kate/Hawkeye. And, who knows. Maybe the mom turns out to be The Swordsman, instead!  ...or they're Mephisto, whatever, you never know
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Nov 28, 2021 02:30
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The writers will be idiots if they don't at least make a reference to someone being Mephisto in the next season of what if.
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Nov 28, 2021 04:11
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Zil posted:The writers will be idiots if they don't at least make a reference to someone being Mephisto in the next season of what if. By then Mephisto will have already been in No Way Home so they won't need to. 
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Nov 28, 2021 09:46
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