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Cugel the Clever posted:Can't pull the story up right now, but there was a whole series of reports on alleged racial imbalance in DC's camera enforcement, citing that the presence of cameras was disproportionately higher in poor black neighborhoods. But then looking at the actual data showed the majority of the tickets went to white drivers from the 'burbs recklessly racing through black neighborhoods (and a significant number of black residents weren't car owners, anyways). also the wards with the highest number of deaths get the highest concentration of cameras, which is fairly sensible... but you still have people saying 'they put cameras where they can get away with them,' like it's a conspiracy by the district government to, i don't know, nefariously extract camera money from people who can't afford it for reasons.
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PeterCat posted:Watching this guy's channel, he has some good things to say about ComBloc housing. "since then the soviet times came to an end. good riddance if you ask me." 
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Radirot posted:"since then the soviet times came to an end. good riddance if you ask me." The Soviet Union was a land of contrasts, really good urban planning, really lovely nuclear reactor design.
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pointsofdata posted:Near me they are experimenting with speed cameras that make the next light red if you are speeding which imo is a great, equity improving innovation. Of course the drivers hate that too drat that's a great idea
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https://unevenearth.org/2018/08/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/ a pretty cool essay from the 70s about how poo poo cars are, not sure if it belongs mroe here or the telsa thread. a couple of highlights: quote:The worst thing about cars is that they are like castles or villas by the sea: luxury goods invented for the exclusive pleasure of a very rich minority, and which in conception and nature were never intended for the people. Unlike the vacuum cleaner, the radio, or the bicycle, which retain their use value when everyone has one, the car, like a villa by the sea, is only desirable and useful insofar as the masses don’t have one. That is how in both conception and original purpose the car is a luxury good. And the essence of luxury is that it cannot be democratized. If everyone can have luxury, no one gets any advantages from it. On the contrary, everyone diddles, cheats, and frustrates everyone else, and is diddled, cheated, and frustrated in return. quote:When the car was invented, it was to provide a few of the very rich with a completely unprecedented privilege: that of traveling much faster than everyone else. No one up to then had ever dreamt of it. The speed of all coaches was essentially the same, whether you were rich or poor. The carriages of the rich didn’t go any faster than the carts of the peasants, and trains carried everyone at the same speed (they didn’t begin to have different speeds until they began to compete with the automobile and the airplane). Thus, until the turn of the century, the elite did not travel at a different speed from the people. The motorcar was going to change all that. For the first time class differences were to be extended to speed and to the means of transportation. quote:Here is the paradox of the automobile: it appears to confer on its owners limitless freedom, allowing them to travel when and where they choose at a speed equal to or greater than that of the train. But actually, this seeming independence has for its underside a radical dependency. Unlike the horse rider, the wagon driver, or the cyclist, the motorist was going to depend for the fuel supply, as well as for the smallest kind of repair, on dealers and specialists in engines, lubrication, and ignition, and on the interchangeability of parts. Unlike all previous owners of a means of locomotion, the motorist’s relationship to his or her vehicle was to be that of user and consumer-and not owner and master. This vehicle, in other words, would oblige the owner to consume and use a host of commercial services and industrial products that could only be provided by some third party. The apparent independence of the automobile owner was only concealing the actual radical dependency. quote:People rushed to buy cars until, as the working class began to buy them as well, defrauded motorists realized they had been had. They had been promised a bourgeois privilege, they had gone into debt to acquire it, and now they saw that everyone else could also get one. What good is a privilege if everyone can have it? It’s a fool’s game. Worse, it pits everyone against everyone else. General paralysis is brought on by a general clash. For when everyone claims the right to drive at the privileged speed of the bourgeoisie, everything comes to a halt, and the speed of city traffic plummets—in Boston as in Paris, Rome, or London—to below that of the horsecar; at rush hours the average speed on the open road falls below the speed of a bicyclist.  quote:Maybe you are saying, “But at least in this way you can escape the hell of the city once the workday is over.” There we are, now we know: “the city,” the great city which for generations was considered a marvel, the only place worth living, is now considered to be a “hell.” Everyone wants to escape from it, to live in the country. Why this reversal? For only one reason. The car has made the big city uninhabitable. It has made it stinking, noisy, suffocating, dusty, so congested that nobody wants to go out in the evening anymore. Thus, since cars have killed the city, we need faster cars to escape on superhighways to suburbs that are even farther away. What an impeccable circular argument: give us more cars so that we can escape the destruction caused by cars.  quote:The truth is, no one really has any choice. You aren’t free to have a car or not because the suburban world is designed to be a function of the car and, more and more, so is the city world. That is why the ideal revolutionary solution, which is to do away with the car in favour of the bicycle, the streetcar, the bus, and the driverless taxi, is not even applicable any longer in the big commuter cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, Houston, Trappes, or even Brussels, which are built by and for the automobile. These splintered cities are strung out along empty streets lined with identical developments; and their urban landscape (a desert) says, “These streets are made for driving as quickly as possible from work to home and vice versa. You go through here, you don’t live here. At the end of the workday everyone ought to stay at home, and anyone found on the street after nightfall should be considered suspect of plotting evil.” In some American cities the act of strolling in the streets at night is grounds for suspicion of a crime.
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Radirot posted:"since then the soviet times came to an end. good riddance if you ask me." That guy is Hungarian, of polish decent, so I feel like he’s allowed to have reservations about the Soviet Union His other is content is good too, most of it is infrastructure related
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:https://unevenearth.org/2018/08/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/ In short, we blew it
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:https://unevenearth.org/2018/08/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/ good
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:https://unevenearth.org/2018/08/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/ very cool to read articles written from when my parents were teenagers that are absolutely correct and nobody learned anything from
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getting people to really think about red light cameras is funny. because eventually they might realize that, okay, we need traffic laws, but they’re also literally designed so that 100% enforcement would legitimately make driving a huge hassle. now of course they’re not going to jump to “maybe driving SHOULD be a hassle” but they will admit that actually the whole system of how roads operate needs to be reworked from scratch if we want to be serious about getting around safely. and that’s within crack-ping distance of realizing that designing cities for cars instead of humans is bad
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Traffic cameras are a grift designed to make money for companies that lease them to the municipalities. Functionally they're no different than those small towns who drop the speed limit on the highway within their city limits to catch out of towners.
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Nov 28, 2021 10:55
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Red light cameras wouldn't be such an issue, if it wasn't for the notoriously short timings on amber lights. A long amber light timing gives more time to safely clear the intersection, but no, let's shorten it for profit and make drivers either emergency brake or slam the gas to make the light. Making intersections (already an unsafe part of any road) even less safe, just to shovel in the cash. Put up average speed cameras on longer stretches of road instead, cowards.
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Nov 28, 2021 11:02
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PeterCat posted:Traffic cameras are a grift designed to make money for companies that lease them to the municipalities. they're both good things that punish people for driving
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Nov 28, 2021 11:51
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It's a bad thing when those people literally have no choice but to drive, because of crapitalism. Focus on providing them alternatives, then ramp up the punishment for driving.
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KozmoNaut posted:It's a bad thing when those people literally have no choice but to drive, because of crapitalism. Focus on providing them alternatives, then ramp up the punishment for driving. And it's a chicken or egg thing. Better to encourage people toward the alternatives that exist, even if they're not yet 100% gay space communism, to broaden the constituency for alternatives and foster progress. PeterCat posted:Functionally they're no different than those small towns who drop the speed limit on the highway within their city limits to catch out of towners.  Folks, it might be good to reexamine these narratives you've unknowingly internalized growing up to make sure they weren't bullshit that originated with the terminally car-brained.
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KozmoNaut posted:Red light cameras wouldn't be such an issue, if it wasn't for the notoriously short timings on amber lights. this motherfucker called the yellow lights amber
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Cugel the Clever posted:The punishment isn't for driving, it's for reckless driving that endangers others... Excessively low speed limits in places with no houses, pedestrian paths, driveways or unsignaled side roads, sometimes even on controlled access highways isn't punishment for reckless driving, it's purely about profit. Hence my wish for average speed enforcement in as many places as possible, instead of specific "gently caress you zones". Centrist Committee posted:this motherfucker called the yellow lights amber Yellow, amber, piss, turmeric, who cares? KozmoNaut has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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Junkozeyne posted:An interesting idea but have you considered just banning cars instead
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/deadly-myth-human-error-causes-most-car-crashes/620808/?utm_source=pocket-newtabquote:The Deadly Myth That Human Error Causes Most Car Crashes
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Nov 28, 2021 19:47
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 my local. looks like an opportunity for direct action
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Lmao imagine stumbling into this thread and saying speed limits are too low. Sounds like terminal carbrain to me. You will be sent to the bicycle gulag now for treatment
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indigi posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/deadly-myth-human-error-causes-most-car-crashes/620808/?utm_source=pocket-newtab If a frat boy rapes a girl, good people don't pat him on the head and sadly declare that a lack of chastity belts were the real culprit: we fight to fundamentally change the culture that drives the despicable behavior by teaching young men not to be human garbage. Were we to apply the (dumb) structural change of universal chastity belts without addressing the fundamental cultural problem, you'd better believe pieces of poo poo would find equally horrendous ways to express their broke-brainedness. The same goes for drivers, some of whom might respond to narrower street by slowing down and being more attentive, but others who will continue to be sociopaths that put everyone around them in danger. Sphyre posted:
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The thing is that no town wants to reduce traffic violations, because that would reduce revenue, and if anything their incentive is to design roads to encourage violators. We need to take away traffic ticket revenue, also as a first step to get cities to fund things when fewer people drive One Weird Trick to actually defund the police lol
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eSports Chaebol posted:The thing is that no town wants to reduce traffic violations, because that would reduce revenue, and if anything their incentive is to design roads to encourage violators. We need to take away traffic ticket revenue, also as a first step to get cities to fund things when fewer people drive We can talk about this in bike group therapy after your mandatory rush hour bike commute simulation
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:We can talk about this in bike group therapy after your mandatory rush hour bike commute simulation 
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Cugel the Clever posted:The punishment isn't for driving, it's for reckless driving that endangers others... ACAB except traffic cops,eh?
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PeterCat posted:ACAB except traffic cops,eh? Car driver detected lol
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heres a car for ya *drives over ya nuts in a monster truck*
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PeterCat posted:ACAB except traffic cops,eh?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFUTSsLobnI How come all you train lovers don't just build one in your backyard?
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Smythe posted:heres a car for ya
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Cugel the Clever posted:lol, this whole tangent started off because we're talking about fair, automated enforcement of traffic rules that would eliminate cops and police departments from the equation entirely while still holding the terminally car-brained accountable they still get the money though automated luxury communism but only for cops actually sounds feasible
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eSports Chaebol posted:they still get the money though
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no sorry conceptualizing any kind of authority that would influence people to not drive murderously is actually boot licking apparently
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Cut out the cops completely, use the money for non-car infrastructure.
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the cop thing is horse poo poo and was never part of the discussion from the get-go. Sure the status quo might involve loads of grift that include the police but that's not what "vison zero" people want. it's a bullshit derail for carbrains
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Sphyre posted:
Not a single car lol. Looks like even the kiwis are car brained
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFUTSsLobnI Can't afford a backyard, don't want to move to the kind of backwards shithole where backyards are cheap and plentiful.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:the cop thing is horse poo poo and was never part of the discussion from the get-go. Sure the status quo might involve loads of grift that include the police but that's not what "vison zero" people want. it's a bullshit derail for carbrains right but also we need actual traffic calming and mixed use streets instead of more stroads and more regressive revenue generation that where the traffic engineers are incentivized to maximize the number of people driving
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if you think that the problem with American car culture is that too many Americans individually decided apropos of nothing that they love cars then and we just need to punish the people least able to do anything about it then you’re as much a part of the problem as liberals saving the environment by driving electric hummers e: though if we had Finnish style scaled ticketing that would be pretty great
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