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I guess I'd like to read a lot more about how much Picard sucks. Is that the majority opinion here?
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Beachcomber posted:I guess I'd like to read a lot more about how much Picard sucks. Is that the majority opinion here? There are a million subplots (most of which go nowhere), and I feel like they ruined some of the preexisting Trek characters that return for this
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Nov 28, 2021 01:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes, it's the worst of the new shows IMO It's a heist
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Nov 28, 2021 01:27
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Beachcomber posted:Hello friends. 1) The singularity drive still used dilithium. Materials around Star Trek Nemesis explained that (and showed why Romulans were mining Dilithium.) https://archive.org/details/startrekmagazine03unse_2/page/70/mode/2up 2) It's a retcon of one thing from one episode. Maybe something happened in the 800 years making most Trills incompatible.
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Nov 28, 2021 01:46
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Imagine being in the Pentagon and some Captain’s boyfriend just wanders into the middle of your meeting with visiting dignitaries and then he tells you to carry on. Also, my prediction is that the anomaly is a living being. The gravitational waves were just it trying to defend itself. Then it changed course as a reflex action.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:02
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Retrowave Joe posted:Also, my prediction is that the anomaly is a living being. The gravitational waves were just it trying to defend itself. Then it changed course as a reflex action. Sounds good to me. I will further speculate that most of the people killed by the anomaly aren't really dead and are actually inside it. Yeah, they've done that storyline before, but that's never stopped them.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:09
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For 2 there’s also a very good chance that in the 700 years since the truth was revealed there was another quiet coverup. It’s a pretty cynical take, but it’s happened in the real world.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:14
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It would be cool to see Book's ship shapeshift perfectly to dodge the asteroids or whatever debris out there, but I guess it just tanks the hits somehow? I do like Culber on bridge doing first aid immediately, always thought it weird how often people had to lug their asses to medbay when half the time it's just some magic healing wand they could wave anywhere.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:33
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Khanstant posted:It would be cool to see Book's ship shapeshift perfectly to dodge the asteroids or whatever debris out there, but I guess it just tanks the hits somehow? I do like Culber on bridge doing first aid immediately, always thought it weird how often people had to lug their asses to medbay when half the time it's just some magic healing wand they could wave anywhere.
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Nov 28, 2021 03:46
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Beachcomber posted:I guess I'd like to read a lot more about how much Picard sucks. Is that the majority opinion here? As poorly executed as discovery is, it's the Mona lisa compared to picard's "psychopath painting with poo poo on the walls of his padded cell"
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Nov 28, 2021 03:48
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Beachcomber posted:1. The Romulans had warp drive that was powered by small captive singularities. Why didn't everyone switch to that? The Federation had a warp drive that uses a captive protostar, one up them.
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Nov 28, 2021 04:12
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That episode was a lot of bummer and sadness, that they could've avoided a lot of by not murdering a whole planet. Nobody has a frame of reference for that, nobody knows how that feels or how to grieve for that or how to write a character dealing with that. The survivors of humanity's worst life-taking vents don't at all compare to planetary destruction, don't even try and write about that and pray you never meet anyone who has had to deal with that in the universe.
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Nov 28, 2021 04:39
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Khanstant posted:It would be cool to see Book's ship shapeshift perfectly to dodge the asteroids or whatever debris out there, but I guess it just tanks the hits somehow? I do like Culber on bridge doing first aid immediately, always thought it weird how often people had to lug their asses to medbay when half the time it's just some magic healing wand they could wave anywhere. I thought it was a bit silly for the doctor to be treating superficial wounds and doling out therapy while the bridge was on fire. If there was a reprieve from the action it would make sense to do first aid, but once things start exploding on Discovery they don't stop until it's time for the denoument.
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Nov 28, 2021 04:45
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Tars Tarkas posted:Did Rhys even have any lines this week? Last week he had more lines than he had in three years combined but it looks like they are rotating which minor bridge character gets to talk as it was Bryce's turn this week (and I still have to look up his name though I know Rhys's now) If the pattern holds then Nilsson should get a bunch of lines next week (that's the blonde lady who I think we know nothing about except she outranked most of the crew last season before everyone but her got promoted) or they might give them to that new guy who filled in for Bryce last week or that other random lady who was in the three part finale because the Nilsson actress was probably stuck somewhere due to covid restrictions. Vs the extensive back story and characterization of most of the bridge crew on TOS, where Riley was the navigator in two episodes, Irish, and happened to grow up on the same colony world as Kirk, Chekov was the young, hot, Russian navigator who didn't have a brother, Sulu was the Japanese American helmsman who was good at fencing and was a botanist in one episode, Uhura was the African communications officer who could sing who could sing and speak Swahili, and that's all the characterization we got of any of them in TOS. Sulu and Uhura didn't even have first names. Even in TNG, there are characters in a lot of episodes who don't get a lot backstory. Transporter Chief O'Brien gets married and hates Cardassians because he was in the war against them, all we really know about LaForge is that he's friends with Data, is awkward around women, is blind and uses a prosthetic, has terrible luck with women and a bad relationship with his parents. Even when it comes to Riker, all we know about him is that he's from Alaska, doesn't like his dad, is horny, used to date Troi, and is remarkably unambitious when it comes to getting his own command. And, of course, the rich and layered backstory of Chief Engineer Argyle is lost to history. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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Nov 28, 2021 06:55
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Epicurius posted:Vs the extensive back story and characterization of most of the bridge crew on TOS, where Riley was the navigator in two episodes, Irish, and happened to grow up on the same colony world as Kirk, Chekov was the young, hot, Russian navigator who didn't have a brother, Sulu was the Japanese American helmsman who was good at fencing and was a botanist in one episode, Uhura was the African communications officer who could sing who could sing and speak Swahili, and that's all the characterization we got of any of them in TOS. Sulu and Uhura didn't even have first names. I don't see TOS being bad at characters somehow making Discovery better.
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Nov 28, 2021 07:01
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socialsecurity posted:I don't see TOS being bad at characters somehow making Discovery better. What I'm saying is, it's very on brand for a Star Trek show to be bad at characters. And if you've got a big cast, you focus on telling stories about the ones who have major roles in your story. As important as the guy who stands at the console at the back and pushes the button is to the proper functioning of the ship, if the story you want to tell isn't about the button, then, you know, you probably don't need to know a lot about him, Sometimes you put characters in your show because you want to tell their stories, and sometimes you put characters in your show because you want the place to look busy. Like, in Henry V, Act I, Scene 2, the stage instructions start: "Enter KING HENRY V, GLOUCESTER, BEDFORD, EXETER, WARWICK, WESTMORELAND, and Attendants". Needless to say, the Attendants don't drive the plot of the scene as much as KING HENRY V (or even talk). For that matter, in the first scene, there's an Ambassador from France who does have lines, but all he does is say, basically, "Hey, Henry V, here are some tennis balls. Go play tennis instead of trying to conquer France." Then he leaves, and we never hear from him again. It's a speaking part, and he's sort of important to the plot of the play, but he's not important as a person. His only job in the story is to piss off Henry, and he does. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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Nov 28, 2021 07:11
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Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. https://i.imgur.com/dwd5L2g.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Ieyrvg3.gifv Sick pyrotechnics!
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Nov 28, 2021 08:22
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It's pretty disingenuous to defend Disco's lazy loving writing by citing TNG or TOS to argue that it's reasonable and good storytelling to have a bunch of characters we know next to nothing about 3 seasons into the show, and not mention like any of the other franchises that came afterwards and did so just fine, or, given Discovery's apparent goal, the litany of non-Trek critically acclaimed TV shows over the past twenty years with Discovery-length seasons that received accolades for emotional storytelling with ensemble casts.
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Nov 28, 2021 08:26
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Beachcomber posted:3. I should have written them down at the time because I can't remember them, but there was a ton of small stuff that was, nevertheless, wrong. Maybe there's a full list somewhere?
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Nov 28, 2021 08:40
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To be completely honest as much as I may do it, I really don't enjoy comparing Disco to other Treks because I feel like each Trek series should feel different from others. Despite Orville basically being a TNG remake, you have to want that to enjoy it. I know there are people who hate it, though, because it's not trying anything new. So when I poo poo on Disco, it's not because it's not what Trek should be or because it's not anything like Trek has ever been. I poo poo on it because it's bad science fiction and just bad television. Like anything I watch, whether I love it or hate it, there are the standout moments that I will always give it credit for. It's the only way I feel comfortable absolutely dumping on it for all the poo poo it does wrong.
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Nov 28, 2021 08:42
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DaveKap posted:Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. Did they do the exact same shot twice for some reason...?
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Nov 28, 2021 09:23
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DaveKap posted:To be completely honest as much as I may do it, I really don't enjoy comparing Disco to other Treks because I feel like each Trek series should feel different from others. Despite Orville basically being a TNG remake, you have to want that to enjoy it. I know there are people who hate it, though, because it's not trying anything new. The writing in Disco is terrible and if you think for a moment about any of the storylines and what their message is they're also terrible, but on a purely emotional level Disco turns the dial up to 11 and smothers you with warmth and empathy. Its not what I want, particularly where if you deconstruct any character relationship on the show they're all deeply unhealthy, but I can see how its connected with an audience who are looking for that.
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Nov 28, 2021 10:01
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nine-gear crow posted:Did they do the exact same shot twice for some reason...? did u watch the episode...? the gravity thing happens twice almost as bad as the dude in here complaining while dropping that he just skips the dialogue i hate the show a lot but drat y'all are like blind and deaf
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Nov 28, 2021 10:25
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Eh. I was going to ask the same thing. Not because I don't pay attention, but because I don't watch the show anymore at all.
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Nov 28, 2021 10:54
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Ramadu posted:did u watch the episode...? the gravity thing happens twice Megillah Gorilla posted:Eh. I was going to ask the same thing. Yeah, I don't watch Discovery. I'm waiting till Prodigy comes back and Picard/Strange New Worlds start up.
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Nov 28, 2021 10:55
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Mr. Apollo posted:
Season 3 is better, but I wish they'd drop the 'Michael is the main character' thing entirely.
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Nov 28, 2021 11:32
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, I don't watch Discovery. I'm waiting till Prodigy comes back and Picard/Strange New Worlds start up. Lol ok fair enough. I felt like I was having a stroke trying to figure out how someone watched the show and didn't understand that it happened twice to them
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Nov 28, 2021 11:35
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Ramadu posted:Lol ok fair enough. I felt like I was having a stroke trying to figure out how someone watched the show and didn't understand that it happened twice to them Probably the same feeling I had trying to rationalize why I was seeing what looked like two different takes of the exact same drop and pyro effect.
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Nov 28, 2021 11:38
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DaveKap posted:Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. Classic rocks flying out of the walls. If I built advanced starships the first thing I would do would be to put a bunch of rocks in the walls and consoles.
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Nov 28, 2021 16:06
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DaveKap posted:Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. I actually really liked that part, you never see failures of artificial gravity in star trek outside of ST6. And Unlike the Expanse, ships are not designed for situations without any gravity so you have to just float there until it comes back on.
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Nov 28, 2021 16:56
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Mr. Apollo posted:
At some point a lot of bad actors and directors decided that if you’re incapable of actually showing emotion or sincerity you should whisper instead. Whisper acting is absolute garbage. In the movie Green Knight at one point characters are whispering to each other across a drat hall in a castle. The whispering is why I’m astonished people think Sonequa is a good actress.
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Nov 28, 2021 17:24
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"We just watched a planet get destroyed in seconds, with no warning, and it threatens everyone in the known universe. Should we send a ship from 900 years ago to do some scans, or should we break out the time travel ships and see what the hosed happened in real time? Hell we could evacuate the people from the planet too if needed." It's like sending a dark ages Plague Doctor to the scene of a modern day murder, giving them the latest tech and telling them to get on with it so to stop the next murder.
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Nov 28, 2021 17:28
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I thought it was funny that Book's engine...thingy...was under the programmable matter console. A thousand years have passed and they still put vital systems that can explode under the panels.
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Nov 28, 2021 17:32
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I Am Fowl posted:I thought it was funny that Book's engine...thingy...was under the programmable matter console. A thousand years have passed and they still put vital systems that can explode under the panels. I just assumed he materialized it from wherever in the ship it was so Stamets could work on it Since, you know, programmable matter
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Nov 28, 2021 17:34
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happyhippy posted:"We just watched a planet get destroyed in seconds, with no warning, and it threatens everyone in the known universe. Time travel is explicitly forbidden (so Discovery can't conveniently go back). Doing would kick off the Temporal Cold War again and make things muuuuuch worse.
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Nov 28, 2021 17:50
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Worse for viewing if enterprise has taught us anything.
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Nov 28, 2021 18:01
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Time travel is explicitly forbidden (so Discovery can't conveniently go back). Doing would kick off the Temporal Cold War again and make things muuuuuch worse.
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happyhippy posted:"We just watched a planet get destroyed in seconds, with no warning, and it threatens everyone in the known universe. I totally forgot about the Federation time ships from, like, the 27th century I guess?
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