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Pablo Nergigante posted:...Because they're printed in an un-set? the thing that determines a cards legality is its name and literally nothing else. anything called godless shrine will always be legal in every format godless shrine is legal in, it doesnt matter where it was printed.
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I hope there is some unfinity card that just breaks legacy in half with some meme name
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Nov 29, 2021 18:18
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Paul Zuvella posted:the thing that determines a cards legality is its name and literally nothing else. anything called godless shrine will always be legal in every format godless shrine is legal in, it doesnt matter where it was printed. False
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Nov 29, 2021 18:18
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Toshimo posted:False do you want to elaborate on that
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flatluigi posted:do you want to elaborate on that 
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Paul Zuvella posted:the thing that determines a cards legality is its name and literally nothing else. anything called godless shrine will always be legal in every format godless shrine is legal in, it doesnt matter where it was printed. Toshimo posted:False 
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Nov 29, 2021 18:21
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That's not a magic card.
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I have no idea what you're saying.
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You're all the smartest and the best, can we talk about the giant Legacy teddy bears and whether we're allowed to use little teddy bears for tokens in constructed magic
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Nov 29, 2021 18:24
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The World Inferno posted:
So does this mean Pink is officially a MtG color
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Vaah posted:https://twitter.com/StarCityBen/status/1465349059384909834?t=3amVPu-5yEKeaVW-JBqgBQ&s=19 No Mana’s Sky
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the Orb of Zot posted:So does this mean Pink is officially a MtG color drat, those card backs are about to look real different
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Nov 29, 2021 18:26
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HootTheOwl posted:I have no idea what you're saying. "Taxes, when he does the finger thing it means taxes." They want to sell more packs so they're making the cards more playable.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:26
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:"Taxes, when he does the finger thing it means taxes." You can sell packs with silver and black border cards in it tho. They did this with steamflogger boss and his basic land pals. (well I guess the lands didn't have any border but they still figured it out)
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Nov 29, 2021 18:28
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did the universes beyond cards with the triangle holomarks have black borders?
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The World Inferno posted:
Storm alt tech lol
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HootTheOwl posted:You can sell packs with silver and black border cards in it tho. They did this with steamflogger boss and his basic land pals. (well I guess the lands didn't have any border but they still figured it out) One part making them black bordered hopefully increases the chances people will allow the un-cards in commander, one part it makes printing easier, since they can't put black and silver borders on the same sheet. flatluigi posted:did the universes beyond cards with the triangle holomarks have black borders? Yup, they're vintage/legacy/commander legal.
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HootTheOwl posted:That's not a magic card. Sure is. Says it right on the card. You may be confused as to what an Authorized Game Card is, per MTR 3.3, though, and how many "magic cards" are not Authorized Game Cards for tournament play. Maybe you can find a knowledgeable judge to help you with that.
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re: watergun thing https://twitter.com/maro254/status/1465362571729403908?s=20
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:One part making them black bordered hopefully increases the chances people will allow the un-cards in commander, one part it makes printing easier, since they can't put black and silver borders on the same sheet. Changing how card legality is defined for tournaments to make sure it is easier for non-tournament players to play whatever cards they want in a casual format. Seems like a sound line of reasoning for changing things.
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Toshimo posted:Maybe you can find a knowledgeable judge to help you with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzWEYeUT6U
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Nov 29, 2021 18:40
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Toshimo posted:Sure is. Says it right on the card. quote:You may be confused as to what an Authorized Game Card is, per MTR 3.3, though, and how many "magic cards" are not Authorized Game Cards for tournament play. What you have presented is a nontraditional magic card.
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There's 30 new legendary creatures in Unfinity. All will be black border, but over half will be acorn stamped and thus supposedly not legal in "official" commander format. Seems like in practice all 30 would be allowed across 99% of commander games. Did the Commander RC want Un-set cards to be played more but felt like their hands were tied by the silver border? Or is this kind of a passive-aggressive move against them in terms of the commander rules?
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Lone Goat posted:I was going to ask if you really think someone is going to sneak an un-card into a tournament, but I remembered that I once judged a standard tournament - either provincials or regionals, so not a causal tourney - where someone was playing an illegal card that nobody noticed until round 6 or so. About 5 years ago a friend of mine called a judge at round 6 of GP Vancouver (modern) because their infect opponent had cast a nev's disk in game 3. (before it was modern legal) Mezzanon fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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Major Operation posted:There's 30 new legendary creatures in Unfinity. All will be black border, but over half will be acorn stamped and thus supposedly not legal in "official" commander format. Seems like in practice all 30 would be allowed across 99% of commander games. This is a weird take to have and pretty contrary to the entire history of EDH. No, the acorn dudes will not be playable at 99% of commander tables, just like the silver-border ones are not right now. This isn't some weird power play against... the most popular format in the game... how would you even smooth your brain out enough for that to be a concept you could accept?
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Nov 29, 2021 18:49
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IMO you play Ashnod's Coupon in your EDH group just to test if the group is a good group.
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HootTheOwl posted:You can sell packs with silver and black border cards in it tho. They did this with steamflogger boss and his basic land pals. (well I guess the lands didn't have any border but they still figured it out) Fantastic Foreskin posted:One part making them black bordered hopefully increases the chances people will allow the un-cards in commander, one part it makes printing easier, since they can't put black and silver borders on the same sheet. yeap.. also considering how bad WOTC has been with print quality i would not trust them to be able to manage a silver/black bordered sheet if that is even a possibility. black border means the set is more playable outside just the drafting of the box, reduces their printing costs and makes them more money. i'm guessing the last unset sold real poorly and they need to ramp their bottom line. people would probably buy just for the full-art lands but i'm guessing there would be too much negative feedback about how the rest of the set is chaff. also reprint blacker lotus
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from the article, when they were recontextualizing why cards were silver bordered in the first place:quote:The silver-border cards fell into a small grouping of categories: the cards that have acorn holomarks will fall into those categories, and the two we've been shown fit that: one is an equipment that turns a creature into any other creature with the same exact mana cost, the other is a card with a mechanic centering around what's depicted in card art. i would assume that any of those legendary cards that are holomarked will also be like that + not conjecture that it's Obviously part of some rules committee war people are invested in making happening (as if the rules committee also doesn't outright say that you can and should see if your playgroups are fine with you playing cards that you want to play that aren't legal by default in the format) flatluigi fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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Barry Shitpeas posted:I hated that matchup so much but it is a price I am willing to pay Bless up mcmagic posted:Spirits is pretty good against Hammer... I think the hammer matchup is just okay, but it can definitely get there. It has an AMAZING belcher matchup though. HootTheOwl posted:Can spirits handle solitude or fury? mcmagic posted:No and Vial isn't a playable card. It can, but your extremely good matchups got a LOT less free (control, etc) and sometimes you just get absolutely SHITHOUSED by ephemerate (as do all fair decks) the issue with spirits in the current meta is that it's trying to do fair stuff in modern. Now that I've had a bit more experience playing against solitude and fury, I dislike them a lot less than I used to (but I still hate them with ephemerate) The deck feels better in paper, where people are going to misplay into your onboard tricks loving constantly. Being hyper aware of the pitch elementals means that they're easier to play around, and you should just assume that whenever control taps out they have solitude and a card to pitch to it as well. Which did let me aether vial in an unsettled mariner after my opponent tried to solitude my queller while tapped out. I will agree that Aether vial is not in a good place right now, and is a rancid top deck. Spirit surgeon Doctor Queller has been testing lists with 4x Utopia sprawl instead of aether vial and is consistently 5-0'ing (although I am pretty confident that the doctor could 5-0 with 56 islands and 4x mausoleum wanderer) tl'dr: spirits barely tier 2, will I scrape together a bunch of X-2's at opens with it somehow? still yes Mezzanon fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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Toshimo posted:This is a weird take to have and pretty contrary to the entire history of EDH. I'm saying I think changing to use the stamp instead of the silver border will make the difference here. It would be harder to tell when looking across a table if you don't just know the cards by name. It is a fair point to make that I'm likely to be mistaken about 99% here, though. I guess it could only matter in pickup games, which is an unknown % of the commander/EDH format. I don't think the Commander RC is synonymous with the format itself. I especially don't think Wizards employees view them that way. I think there is a very low chance this was intentionally passive aggressive. I don't think there is some secret power struggle being waged over the format or that "the RC is ruining commander" or whatever.
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Strong Sauce posted:yeap.. also considering how bad WOTC has been with print quality i would not trust them to be able to manage a silver/black bordered sheet if that is even a possibility. black border means the set is more playable outside just the drafting of the box, reduces their printing costs and makes them more money. i'm guessing the last unset sold real poorly and they need to ramp their bottom line. people would probably buy just for the full-art lands but i'm guessing there would be too much negative feedback about how the rest of the set is chaff. I dont see it: I feel any group that says "Naughty // Nice" isn't allowed isn't going to look at Water Gun Game and say "the border color is what was holding our acceptance of this card back"
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm guessing the last unset sold real poorly and they need to ramp their bottom line. If the last unset sold real poorly they wouldn't be making a new unset so soon. The latter statement is obsessively true, though, independent of the performance of any set in the last 8 years
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I do think the reasoning behind getting rid of the Silver Borders is to sell more boxes through three main factors in order of impact: 1. Making some portion of the set legal in Vintage, Legacy, and Commander 2. Allowing Full Art and Borderless alternate card styles. And then way down the list in terms of importance: 3. Removing some of that anti silver border reflex that many casual tables have by changing it to a much less intrusive Acorn Holo.
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Too funny that Wizards announces a new way to tell if a card is legal and immediately fucks up by posting the wrong version which incorrectly shows a card as legal.
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HootTheOwl posted:I dont see it: I feel any group that says "Naughty // Nice" isn't allowed isn't going to look at Water Gun Game and say "the border color is what was holding our acceptance of this card back" i don't think so either necessarily, my comment was more about "official" events.. there's more acceptance for the card if they just made it black bordered and used the acorn hologram as distinction... it's basically just WOTC printing another set. unmodern horizons or whatnot. TheKingofSprings posted:If the last unset sold real poorly they wouldn't be making a new unset so soon. that's fair. i guess "real poorly" is probably not accurate unless we see some data. but yeah my feeling is this black border thing is definitely to up the bottom line. i mean they're selling collector boxes..
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AngryBooch posted:1. Making some portion of the set legal in Vintage, Legacy, and Commander #2 there is an extremely good point and is probably the most likely version they're doing this. it means they can even do secret lairs with un-set cards in the future as long as the holomark is correct
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it seems pretty straightforward to be like 'we want some of these cards to be commander legal for the extra money, let's just go all black border it's cheaper and easier'
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Kashuno posted:re: watergun thing https://twitter.com/maro254/status/1465362571729403908?s=20 boo, the article lies!
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