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wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Homeless Friend posted:

randomly ran across this chart



now show it to me in absolute values doc, match it with the graph of plastic production increase over the same period

I want to see how 60% discarded in the later years dwarfs 100% of the volume in the beginning

gently caress the cult of progress, this is the plastocene

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Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

an egg posted:

attn: shifty nipples, the native lilies (in my yard, safe from council) have a pollinator



Awesome :dance:, pollinate the heck out of that flower and take back the land from the herbicide happy council!

goochtit
Nov 2, 2021



wynott dunn posted:

now show it to me in absolute values doc, match it with the graph of plastic production increase over the same period

I want to see how 60% discarded in the later years dwarfs 100% of the volume in the beginning

gently caress the cult of progress, this is the plastocene



doi:10.1007/978-3-030-38945-1 posted:

Figure 6 combines the waste generation data from the previous section with the waste management rates shown in Fig. 5. TW, RW, IW, and DW stand for total, recycled, incinerated, and discarded plastic waste. Total plastic waste accounts for not only primary but also secondary plastic waste, which is recycled plastic leaving the use phase and becoming waste again.
...

Total, i.e. annual primary and secondary waste generation, was 380 Mt in 2017. Around 70 Mt of this waste was recycled, 100 Mt incinerated, and the rest, i.e. 210 Mt, discarded (see Fig. 6). This means that global 2017 recycling, incineration, and discard rates were 18%, 26%, and 56%, respectively (see Fig. 5). As mentioned earlier, these numbers are quite uncertain, and the recycling and incineration rates may be overestimates.

Between 1950 and 2017 a global cumulative total of 9.2 billion metric tons of primary plastic have been produced. This is roughly the same mass as 900,000 Eiffel Towers, 88 million blue whales, or 1.2 billion elephants. Due to the stunning growth in annual output, half of the plastic humankind has ever made was produced in the last 13 years.
The 210 Mt discarded in 2017 is between 1999's and 2000's production




doi:10.1007/978-3-030-38945-1 posted:

If the trend shown in Fig. 8 were to continue for the next 30 years, annual global primary plastic production would reach an astounding 1.1 billion metric tons in 2050 (Geyer et al. 2015). That is the same as the total amount of primary plastic we produced during the first 34 years of plastic mass production, i.e. from 1950 to 1983, produced in just 1 year. In this scenario, cumulative primary plastic waste generation would have reached 26 billion metric tons by 2050, four times the amount of the primary plastic waste we have generated to date. There are good reasons to assume that this would overwhelm the waste management systems of many, if not all countries, who already struggle to cope with today’s plastic waste volumes.
The Plastocene indeed

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

randomly ran across this chart



Refuse, Refuel, Recycle!

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

an egg posted:

attn: shifty nipples, the native lilies (in my yard, safe from council) have a pollinator



Delighted the council couldn't kill everything despite their best efforts :swoon:

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

goochtit posted:





The 210 Mt discarded in 2017 is between 1999's and 2000's production





The Plastocene indeed

:coffeepal:

hell yeah that’s the good stuff, reading this while ingesting thousands of micro particles which are suspected but not conclusively proven to cause harm

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Hubbert posted:

hey guys

so i wake up and drink tea every morning, right?

i decided to go look into this

Noooooo! I mean I use normal tea bags but they're probably untrustworthy too for all we know.

Thinking about it now, I have a teavana bpa/ free (whatever the bullshit is) loose leaf brewer that you can put on top of cups to empty out the tea from the bottom. Only the gods know how much plastic was leaching into each cup that was brewed.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
The 6 trillion particle man

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



hell yeah incineration, just blowing those beautiful little bits of plastic all up in our air

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
https://youtu.be/03OcZuf3zWo

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


wynott dunn posted:

:coffeepal:

hell yeah that’s the good stuff, reading this while ingesting thousands of micro particles which are suspected but not conclusively proven to cause harm

are you kidding me? life expectancy is up… up! those little plastic particles are allegedly like little shields, blocking all the harmful miasma and 5G gamma rays!

no ethical consumption under capitalism unless you’re consuming mini plastic shield micro particles and then you’re doing good babyyy!!!

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.
Yeah we're giving up
https://apnews.com/article/climate-science-business-university-of-maine-environment-and-nature-002430d7c76076523d6191c13abe7b35

quote:

Researchers try producing potato resistant to climate change

University of Maine researchers are trying to produce potatoes that can better withstand warming temperatures as the climate changes.

Warming temperatures and an extended growing season can lead to quality problems and disease, Gregory Porter, a professor of crop ecology and management, told the Bangor Daily News.

“The predictions for climate change are heavier rainfall events, and potatoes don’t tolerate flooding or wet conditions for long without having other quality problems,” Porter said. “If we want potatoes to be continued to be produced successfully in Maine, we need to be able to produce varieties that can be resistant to change.”

Around the world, research aimed at mitigating crop damage is underway. A NASA study published this month suggested climate change may affect the production of corn and wheat, with corn yields projected to decline while wheat could see potential growth, as soon as 2030 under a high greenhouse gas emissions scenario.

Maine is coming off of a banner potato crop thanks in part to the success of the Caribou russet, which was developed by UMaine researchers. But Porter fears that even that variety isn’t as heat tolerant as necessary to resist the future effects of climate change.

Pests are another factor. The Colorado potato beetle and disease-spreading aphids have flourished with the changing climate, said Jim Dill, pest management specialist at the University of Maine Cooperative Extension.

Breeding seemingly small changes like hairier leaves that make it difficult for insects to move around on the plant can cut down on pests’ destruction and also the need for pesticides, he said.

Breeding such characteristics into potatoes is a long process of cross-pollinating different potato varieties.

The process is well underway.

They’re in a research testing phase right now at sites throughout the United States. Test potatoes in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida are testing high temperature stress.

“It takes 10 years of selection after that initial cross pollination, and it might take two to five years before enough commercial evaluation has taken place to release a new potato variety,” Porter said.

Q-sixtysix
Jun 4, 2005

Dawn of the Potatocene

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Enfys posted:

gently caress

I can't floss my teeth or wear contacts to see or drink water or breathe without plastics getting in my brain

And now I can't even enjoy a cup of tea, the only thing that makes life in this stupid plastic hell world tolerable, without thinking about the hot plastic stew I'm ingesting

Yeah sure loose tea leaves blah blah but I can't gently caress around with tea leaves at my stupid job I keep doing so I can pay bills so I can keep living in this stupid world ingesting more plastic

I was known for my tea stash at work. Get a metal loose leaf tea strainer ball, and just a little tin to put whatever tea you want to make in it. I could easily fit mine in my lunch box (back when I needed it). When I got a desk job I just kept the poo poo at my desk out in the open. Then WFH truly liberated me. Now I'm even freer because I'm unemployed now lol

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


I mean that's basically what deep adaptation is about, recognizing what is already well baked in and adjusting our practices to it

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


The Demilich posted:

I was known for my tea stash at work. Get a metal loose leaf tea strainer ball, and just a little tin to put whatever tea you want to make in it. I could easily fit mine in my lunch box (back when I needed it). When I got a desk job I just kept the poo poo at my desk out in the open. Then WFH truly liberated me. Now I'm even freer because I'm unemployed now lol

I got a whole kit of loose leaf tea I leave at work and I too just leave it out in the open to share. I even had my own kettle at my desk, it was very fancy

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Milo and POTUS posted:

The 6 trillion particle man

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

Radio Ecoshock is a good rear end podcast. very depressing though

Seatbelts
Mar 29, 2010

Well call me a 3d printer

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


mistermojo posted:

Radio Ecoshock is a good rear end podcast. very depressing though

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

mistermojo posted:

Radio Ecoshock is a good rear end podcast. very depressing though

Does not get nearly enough credit, I think the name does too much disservice and makes people immediately skeptical tho. It took a few episodes before my partner got over the branding and agreed it was seriously good. :(

It was 17c degrees on Sunday. On Wednesday it will be 17c degrees again.

In Southern Alberta.

On December 1st.

:sickos:

Rime has issued a correction as of 19:25 on Nov 29, 2021

Bob Socko
Feb 20, 2001

Rime posted:

Does not get nearly enough credit, I think the name does too much disservice and makes people immediately skeptical tho. It took a few episodes before my partner got over the branding and agreed it was seriously good. :(

It was 17c degrees on Sunday. On Wednesday it will be 17c degrees again.

In Southern Alberta.

On December 1st.

:sickos:

Hi, I'm a Stupid American. What should the temperature be?

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Bob Socko posted:

Hi, I'm a Stupid American. What should the temperature be?

Somewhere between -5c and -30c. With snow, also notably absent.

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Bob Socko posted:

Hi, I'm a Stupid American. What should the temperature be?

alberta borders montana

it is almost December

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum


Another heavy rainstorm rolling in on Tuesday/Wednesday. :black101:.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

If the earth couldn't handle human activity, the dumb bitch shouldn't have made us

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Rime posted:



Another heavy rainstorm rolling in on Tuesday/Wednesday. :black101:.

more rain, another variant, more fake news

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Egg Moron posted:

If the earth couldn't handle human activity, the dumb bitch shouldn't have made us

my children have triumphed over me I smile as I am turned into an oven

Samuel Glompers
Nov 26, 2020
I like it when there's aluminum in my food. Could someone put aluminum in there please?

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
yeah, OP, but can you prove that it's raining that much? :smug: didn't think so. checkmate.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



I've started seeing poo poo like this all over the place and it certainly sounds like the kind of max level cope you find with this kinda stuff, pretending we didn't gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago, but I feel it's better to defer to people who might be better read on the specifics of it

https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1464335988675674117

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.
when is technology going to upgrade my rear end in a top hat to an official 3d printer so i can print things other than piles of poo poo? i need some things. the piles of poo poo are very useful because of all the plastic i can extract from it, but i need more.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQVFZx7XX4

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

Just another 70 degree day here in northern Colorado. We had 6 months of summer, with 95 degree weather into October, then the saddest fall I've ever seen, most of the leaves falling practically overnight. And it's almost December and still t-shirt weather.

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

I've started seeing poo poo like this all over the place and it certainly sounds like the kind of max level cope you find with this kinda stuff, pretending we didn't gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago, but I feel it's better to defer to people who might be better read on the specifics of it

https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1464335988675674117

"im not owned! im not owned!!"


narrator: they were, indeed, owned.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

I've started seeing poo poo like this all over the place and it certainly sounds like the kind of max level cope you find with this kinda stuff, pretending we didn't gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago, but I feel it's better to defer to people who might be better read on the specifics of it

https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1464335988675674117

https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/status/1464300748913594369

1. Not worth addressing.

2. It's really simple for conservative thinktanks to dupe some rear end in a top hat into thinking it's not bad because the liberal/democratic medias/thinktanks are also very much not reporting, or are inaccurately reporting, climate change and its effects. I was this weekend telling my brother that Vancouver, a major metro, had all highway access to it destroyed by flooding - he, very well read and sharp, had no idea anything happened recently in BC at all. You can repeat that little play ad infinitum. Nobody is reporting the real weather and its real cause, to lay the blame at the feet of people who have been denying climate change from the very beginning instead of your own is extremely craven.

3. The cause is immaterial. Doom guaranteed regardless of whether heating is anthropogenic or if the Earth is naturally warming and the CO2 ppm is also part of this natural cycle and it's just a coincidence that these two conditions line up with industrial activity. But this is really just saying, you know, that anthropogenic heating is unfounded. Well, so what? You can eliminate anthropogenic heating by saying fossil fuel burning is not the cause (let's say it is a coincidence, sure, why not?, it doesn't matter), sure. But if it's true that CO2 PPM is owed to a natural carbon boom this doesn't get humanity off the hook! Because the other human-instigated climate change inducing activity is the destruction of carbon sinks. If it's natural and we've unnaturally destroyed the Earth's capacity to return to equilibrium we are still very much to blame you know.

Whether it's anthropogenic or not our focus and efforts should've been on aiding the Earth's ability to re-absorb carbon (or else, if it is anthropogenic then to reduce the carbon emitted; this was always a good idea whether it caused heating or not because the fossil fuel industry is deadly to humans and animals irrespective of heating). Whether it's anthropogenic or not the future we're hurtling towards is one which cannot support human life. So who cares?? Trust me if it's true that fossil fuels don't cause climate change there are plenty of other crimes to hang the oil bankers for so no worries there!

4. It's important to note which solutions are said not to work. Conservative thinktanks will say that, e.g., green energy won't work because wind turbines don't spin when they freeze or that solar cannot power a city, rather than real reasons.

5. Trusting scientists is not required to understand climate change and accept its reality. Anyway it's a lie because they very much trust the scientists who say that climate change isn't happening or that it's caused by a natural carbon cycle or that it's caused by minimums/maximums (idiotic) and so on.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 21:59 on Nov 29, 2021

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

I've started seeing poo poo like this all over the place and it certainly sounds like the kind of max level cope you find with this kinda stuff, pretending we didn't gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago, but I feel it's better to defer to people who might be better read on the specifics of it

https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1464335988675674117

the final stage of climate denialism was always going to be "oops its too late, might as well not do anything"

which is distinct from this thread's "our society won't stop the extinction level event, the powerful won't let us change societies, and you fuckers wont even let us do anything to make it slightly less lovely"

because "gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago" doesn't preclude things we can do to stop current future damage, but our society and our power structures do.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

I've started seeing poo poo like this all over the place and it certainly sounds like the kind of max level cope you find with this kinda stuff, pretending we didn't gently caress ourselves irreparably decades ago, but I feel it's better to defer to people who might be better read on the specifics of it

https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1464335988675674117

Clare change is reversible... If you loving reverse it!

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Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

to go back to my alcoholism metaphor, just because we permanently damaged our liver years ago doesn't mean we need to be drinking ourselves to death today.


but the only acceptable plan is "keep drinking a handle a night for the next 4 years, then slowly decreasing* our alcohol consumption by 1oz a month until we're teetotalers" so no, we're not going to stop drinking ourselves to death using that plan.




*but if say someone else opens a beer or bottle of wine i can drink it all and it doesn't count against my booze limit because they would have drunk it anyway if i didn't so its like i never drank the bottle of wine at all when you think about it.

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