trucutru posted:

Cargo ship size comparison



The giant dildo on the left is the Hulll-E (None of the Hull ships are available to fly in-game) with a capacity of 98,304 SCU. It was sold for 550 real American dollars. The tiny orange thing is the RAFT with its impressive 3 yellow containers for a grand total of 96 SCU. It costs 125 bucks. So 1/1024 times the cargo space for 1/4.4 times the money. A good investment if I may say so.

The purple TMNT vehicle is the Xi'an Railen. It's main selling point is that it has "Bespoke triangular cargo-pods". Seriously.

trucutru posted:

commando in tophat posted:

What ship is the yellow bus?

trucutru posted:

That's a 32scu cargo container for the raft. The standardized container that is used by a single ship (each one uses a different kind of container, even the ones from the same manufacturer).

Kavros posted:

So we find out if the new company structure lets people turn this into a game. If they've learned literally anything, Chris will force himself to take a backseat and let project management personnel set scope boundaries and work towards minimum viable performance. If Chris is just too Chris to be constrained, that'll never happen and the new office won't fix dev talent drain or his atomic micromanagement paralysis conditions. Earlier I would have assumed this was a foregone conclusion (Chris is too Chris) but Chris does seem exhausted and the progress on his project is starting to eclipse his influence. I usually test this by watching where RSI ships are.

Blackstone posted:

*Until this day, there has been no sequel to Privateer. None.

trucutru posted:

Yeah as others have said, those are 3 ships that tackle exploration in different ways.

Endeavor: Science from a distance. Big telscope and the capabilities to process the science retrieved from the exploration ships that go into the dangerous waters to retrieve the raw science material. Honestly it's like a "refinery" for science materials.

Odyssey: Long-range science material retrieval specializing in geographical and mineral sciences. But can still scan for data sciences to a lesser extent.

Carrack: Science in the dangerous areas. Better protection from hazardous environments to retrieve science in places that the other two can't reach. Can also scan and gather geographical and mineral samples, but not at the same level that the Odyssey could.

DreadUnknown posted:

Holy gently caress these people have no idea how scientific research works, like the mind boggles.

Also I'd like to say I'm also enjoying your deep dive Kavros, you write in a very approchable style and you come across as trying to truly be fair about the bugfest of Star Citizen.

commando in tophat posted:

My bet on science is that you get science points from scanning a new planet (lol), scanning a new wormhole (lol), scanning a new random location or picking up animal poo poo (actually in game), and sell your science points if you are first to have these science points. Actually, some of these might be exploration, but gently caress it, let citizens theorycraft about differences

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This is intended as a multi-use facility that can support a variety of active scientific pursuits like biological studies, microscopy, zero gravity experiments etc.,. It houses internal slots for precision scanners, sample & specimen collections, spectrometers and chemical analyzers. It is capable of cataloging new experimental data as well as producing cutting edge compounds.

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These are designed for analytic data gathering and house a variety of scientific computers and data-banks. Mainly used for turning the raw information gathered by the General Research pods or the Telescope Array, it can also be used for getting data from elsewhere in the Verse.

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This is an extremely powerful mobile stellar observatory which can be useful for everything from standard navigation studies to jump point discoveries.

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Research requires constant intellectual analysis and decision-making as opposed to automated number crunching that lasts for an extended period of time. As such, progress is typically only made when a player is actively involved and pushing forward.

trucutru posted:

As per their wiki and publicity material there are multiple science modules for the Endeavor (Lesnick's pet ship)

Science-to-Income

Science

POI Discovery, Science



Here, educate youareselves

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14974-Design-Science-And-The-Endeavor


Sic itur ad astra, you unscientific fudsters.

Mailer posted:

You can't not spend. If you don't buy the latest ship for $550 then you are admitting your past $10000+ is gone and the game is never going to be some sort of second life in space where the early investors are kings. You need to pledge, and be part of the community of other people who pledge, to make it all ok. As soon as you stop spending you have to look at what you spent and at this point $550 is cheap to not have to come to that life-destroying realization.

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If I redid the verse I could imagine a situation where humans expand and are over resources and tech while alien tech is introduced to fuel a civil war among houses expansions and this availability of tech is the resource to fight over further, from allies to direct confiscation and replication which leads into a much larger war between aliens and humans as well.

So then the field of the galaxy is a battle front of tech and resources, civil conflict and tension across all races involved. Even threats are means of resources technology wise etc and the galaxy is upside down because humans became apart of the picture on both or many fronts.

What a story base.

It would be ***** citizen. An alter more elaborate and expansive universe. That represents the dark and light of our introduction into the arena of expansion.

Edit: Man I’d make a loving a universe. These guys have the resources etc. Be cool to be a CR but do stuff differently. I’d be cool w/people too. Idk how he is irl but I’d be up to host meetings over drinks and nice venues. The first few times people wanna just chill but after a bit in vip it’s just work in a nice place. It’s for the fans, w/out em we’d be nothing. A career to live for sure.

Edit: I’d make it an actual verse too w/all content required to fit the theme. I wouldn’t dumb it down to cater to kids to play for pedos to meet kids online w/. It would me for a mature audience, privately backed to cater specifically for the mature audience interested in an exclusive space themed universe.

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Blackstone posted:

Hm. I never played SC myself, but my understanding is that there are two major issues.
1. The general lack of an overarching design concept, of which the Death of a Spacemen issue is just one aspect. I don't really see how the interests of people who have spent tens of thousands on this game and people who are willing to spend fifty bucks on a video game can be aligned (unless the latter can be motivated to spend fifty bucks on a floor mopping simulator, which I find unlikely).
2. The fact that a modified decade-old FPS engine is not a good choice for a space game. I only know IT from project management and contract and regulatory law, but to me it seems that there are hard limits on what can be done with the engine limitations.

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No idea if even a decent project manager with adequate budget and full authority could turn this around.

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*Until this day, there has been no sequel to Privateer. None.

peter gabriel posted:

That guy seemingly has literally zero clue how big space is

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Making a scifi game with space ships focus on the most mundane parts of real life is suicidal to the game's long term health.

This comment kind of gets at the heart of what I'm talking about here.

While that may be true for other games you've played, I don't think that will be the case here. Players will need to re-adjust how they approach video games or limit themselves to the type of gameplay in SC that offers what they like.

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CIG will play with loading and unloading but players will enjoy manually moving crates for about 2 days before they are tired of it.

Everyone will eventually rely on npc services to manage this and CIG will have to have entertaining things to do in your downtime or else the sitting around waiting will kill the game and they'll be forced to dramatically speed up the npc loading and unloading.

Again, players need to drop what they think they know about other games and how they are played, this game will not be those games. I think if you really look at the tools CIG is providing it's becoming more and more clear they're not going make something that some players might be expecting.

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That is in fact not the goal anymore. It will still take some grinding, but not nearly as much. As for travel distances, CIG themselves stated it will be long but not days. It might take 15 min to cross Pyro just as it takes 5 to cross Stanton. What will be long-ish will be multi-systems travel that might take you 30-40 min. But that's the gist of it.

I think it needs to go in the other direction... it should take months and months to "pay cash UEC" for a ship like the Connie. That's the equivalent of buying a specialty truck for $150,000 and ain't no basic work-for-hire who's going to easily earn that in a short period of time, when they are selling thier time to earn their money. They will finance it.

Kavros posted:

It's called Rebel Galaxy Outlaw and I could write an entire essay about how it is the anti-Star Citizen. Cohesive scope. Constrained and practical vision. Theme and tone are well managed. Made on a reasonable budget. Relatively simple and straightforward gameplay loops, but well polished and engrossing. Little touches given for free to the player — like the ship paintjob tool — have surprising depth and show lots of care and attention to the product by the developer. Said developer was demeaned and ostracized by the playerbase to the point where he opted to quit making games.

Mirificus posted:

and ain't no basic work-for-hire who's going to easily earn that in a short period of time,

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Players will need to re-adjust how they approach video games

trucutru posted:

the hubris.

FishMcCool posted:

Was it that badly received? I was kind of looking forward to it, then it went EGS exclusive, and by the time exclusivity ended, I had forgotten about it... But the previews looked good.

Mirificus posted:

FishMcCool posted:

Was it that badly received? I was kind of looking forward to it, then it went EGS exclusive, and by the time exclusivity ended, I had forgotten about it... But the previews looked good.

Golli posted:

Making your space game one that "caters to a mature audience" as a deterrent to pedophiles is a weird take.

FishMcCool posted:

Was it that badly received? I was kind of looking forward to it, then it went EGS exclusive, and by the time exclusivity ended, I had forgotten about it... But the previews looked good.

commando in tophat posted:

I personally found it not that great, but not bad in any way a can pinpoint. I just got bored pretty soon.

But I imagine how a developer who made a space game with female protagonist that isn't steaming hot can get sick of gamers I have no idea what actually happened or even that they quit making games (?), but if I had to imagine it would be this. Also the EGS exclusivity, but I bought it there and it didn't eat my computer and sold it to china, but "gamers" are loving stupid, so it could have been this as well

sebmojo posted:

egs exclusivity is a good thing imo. it's early access that they get paid for, and they get to launch all over again when they go to steam. the store is bare bones but, you push the button you get the game, which is basically what you need?

DaysBefore posted:

I log on to the Epic store once a month to see if there's a cool free game available and that's it. I'm not very connected to this stuff but I really don't understand the gamer anger?

DaysBefore posted:

I log on to the Epic store once a month to see if there's a cool free game available and that's it. I'm not very connected to this stuff but I really don't understand the gamer anger?

FishMcCool posted:

Was it that badly received? I was kind of looking forward to it, then it went EGS exclusive, and by the time exclusivity ended, I had forgotten about it... But the previews looked good.

Blackstone posted:

Thanks for the response, Kavros. I'm not quite with you regarding the difference between lack of overarching vision and feature creep; it seems to be the same result coming from different paths, and I still don't see a solution for aligning the diverging interests of the stakeholders. But I'd be happy to see SC succeed, so let's see what the future brings.

Also, I just invested nearly ten bucks total in Rebel Outlaw (90% off!) and Rebel Outlaw Galaxy. I hope that those NFT people are right and I can sell that for a million in a few years.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Thanks for the tip