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Fuschia tude posted:So she's the living incarnation of ADHD mean rachel is too quote:But when I tried, I realized to my shock that I couldn’t. It was strange. Like. like when I tried to use that part of my brain, the planning part? No one home.
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Chapter 21-Nice Rachelquote:I was, like, in the restaurant? Having a croissant? I didn’t want one, duh, but you had to, like, order? Or they don’t let you sit there? Sigh. Poor Rachel Chapter 22-Mean Rachel quote:The wimp blew past, all tears and snot. I tried to trip her, you know, just for fun, but I missed. I'm just thinking that none of this will convince Rachel's dad that she's not on drugs.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 06:27 |
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Mazerunner posted:You know what... I'm just gonna assume V3/Alloran did this same sort of split and that's why the difference between Hork-bajir chronicles and main series This...this is my absolute new headcanon. Also, man, I don't remember about the conclusion of this book but I feel really bad for Rachel's dad, who has to be absolutely certain that his daughter is on drugs now.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 16:10 |
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Chapter 23-Nice Rachelquote:I was trapped! Hey, they brought up David! Also, there were actual Animorph transformers. Here's Rachel as a lion! Chapter 24-Nice Rachel quote:“If she goes, I go,” Mean Rachel yelled. Honestly, the more they describe morphing, the more horrible it sounds.
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 05:08 |
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quote:<You would lose,> Ax said confidently. <You weren't there, but I killed a T-Rex once.>
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 07:49 |
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freebooter posted:<You weren't there, but I killed a T-Rex once.> <I'm not boasting. Andalites never boast.> I mean, Ax is 2 for 2 in knocking her out with his tail this book, so, honestly, I don't think she's going to be a threat to him.
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 08:01 |
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I think the big weakness of this book is that it’s a bit tedious.
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 09:39 |
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quote:Marco held up his hand. “If I split into two halves can I stay home?” Marco’s comment here makes me wonder, what kind of “halves” would the other Animorphs split into? Marco, I think, would be a sadboy, very anxious and depressed, and a bully — not violent like Rachel, but relentlessly cruel and cutting. Would Tobias just be half human Tobias and half hawk at this point?
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 15:57 |
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Bibliotechno Music posted:Marco’s comment here makes me wonder, what kind of “halves” would the other Animorphs split into? Marco, I think, would be a sadboy, very anxious and depressed, and a bully — not violent like Rachel, but relentlessly cruel and cutting. Would Tobias just be half human Tobias and half hawk at this point? Due to the way the morphing works both would probably have to be hawks at the start. His might actually be the most inconvenient, because the side that considers itself more human might keep trying to purposely become a nothlit. the other hawk would simply disengage to go do hawk poo poo and be impossible to find and even tougher to convince. It would be interesting for a book like this to have any lasting effect on the plot. Cassie's two sides would be a caring soft emotional horse girl and a manipulative nihilist mastermind that could play herself off as the useful one, turning out to have created some plan for "the greater good" that sacrifices some or all of the rest of the team. Jake would get like an unaware sports doofus and idk a totalitarian leader who has no concern for the rest of the group's safety? Ax's sides would be a deeply analytical and self conscious little brother type and an Andalite-supremacist fascist. both would be hopelessly addicted to taste and TV. actually, in the right hands, this could have been an interesting David-narrated book, they could kill off or trap his dark shithead side and maybe permanently gain a competent animorph out of it. Or, if the starfish book had happened before meeting David, they could try to do it to him on purpose and go a Frankenstein route. There's no way the two halves would have split that conveniently, but it honestly would have made more sense for David to recklessly morph on a beach in broad daylight to get a Slayer CD or something than it did for Rachel. Probably not the greatest messaging though – that rear end in a top hat kid in school just has an evil side that needs to be killed?
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 16:41 |
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My guess is that Tobias is half boy/half bird. Cassie is half hippie earth princess/half cold blooded amoral killer, Jake,I agree, half totaltarian and half basketball obsessed slacker, and Ax is half perfect Andalite warrior/half goofy jock.QuickbreathFinisher posted:actually, in the right hands, this could have been an interesting David-narrated book, they could kill off or trap his dark shithead side and maybe permanently gain a competent animorph out of it. Or, if the starfish book had happened before meeting David, they could try to do it to him on purpose and go a Frankenstein route. There's no way the two halves would have split that conveniently, but it honestly would have made more sense for David to recklessly morph on a beach in broad daylight to get a Slayer CD or something than it did for Rachel. Probably not the greatest messaging though – that rear end in a top hat kid in school just has an evil side that needs to be killed? “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago Epicurius fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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That 'duty/doody' line stuck with me, of all things. The strangest things from this series. I might have even thought that was a Marco line before this.
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 18:26 |
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If the five arms of a starfish correspond to the Big Five personality traits, it would depend on where the cut happened imo.
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# ? Nov 28, 2021 21:07 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 24-Nice Rachel It's interesting that without the ruthless part of Rachel she can't dissociate and zone out on things like this, and has to focus on all the details as they happen. Fuschia tude fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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Chapter 25-Nice Rachelquote:It wasn’t that flying isn’t cool. It is cool. I mean, parts of it. Like being able to see everything from up in the air. That was kind of interesting. That's the thing about nice Rachel. She does have that sense of duty, and she's willing to let it overcome her fear, whereas mean Rachel is not really reflective at all and doesn't seem to have any sense of loyalty. Chapter 26-Nice Rachel quote:Down, down, down. Faster, faster, faster. And all in the most eerie silence. Owl wings make not a whisper. A lot of people don't like cockroaches, but I think they're kind of amazing animals. Also, I know some people in the thread see ADHD in nice Rachel , but what I see is anxiety. Maybe it's just because it's something I identify with, but like Cassie said, this Rachel got all the long term planning. She can't react spontaneously because whenever she tries, she keeps seeing all the ways what she's doing can go wrong, so it forces her into indecision.
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# ? Nov 29, 2021 05:35 |
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quote:I wondered about the others, my friends. If they had been split like this, what would they have become? Did Jake have a Mean Jake inside him? Oh, yes. Definitely. And Ax. Neither of them might be as wild or out of control, but they had that same core of darkness. Cassie? No. Or at least a split-screen Cassie would be this huge portion of nice and this tiny bit of rotten. Interesting that she speculates what we've already speculated! I suppose it's natural KA did as well, but I'd completely forgotten this. Personally I think she's completely wrong about Ax - I don't think he has any kind of dark half. Even the bits where he feels compelled to kill V3 to avenge his brother seems to come from soldierly and cultural duty rather than any kind of personal drive for vengeance. If we take this war as a WWII analogy, he strikes me as the kind of sweet and sensitive kid who would have been a smart, competent and thoughtful soldier who then would have had absolutely no problem going back to the Midwest and selling refrigerators or whatever for the rest of his life. Would never miss the war for a second.
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# ? Nov 29, 2021 10:42 |
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I think Rachel is definitely wrong about Cassie. Cassie's got a lot of nice, sure, she's a very empathetic person, but she is ruthless when it comes down to it. I think Nice vs Mean Ax would definitely be about how much he buys into Andalite culture, as others here say. Probably Mean Ax would be really, really into revenge. Nice Marco would probably be even more hosed in the head than Nice Rachel. Mean Marco, on the other hand, would be absolutely loving terrifying on a Mean Cassie level.
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Mean Marco would be Visser One, basically. Except, you know, inherent, not Yeerk.
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# ? Nov 29, 2021 20:31 |
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Chapter 27-Nice Rachelquote:“Rachel!” Chapter 28-Nice Rachel quote:I tried to open my eyes. No eyes. No vision. See. it was a trap.
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 05:25 |
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Did a tunnel turn into a bridge and then... back into a tunnel, in the previous chapter?
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 10:58 |
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I totally can't remember this part of the book - I think all I remember from here is the specifics of the ending - and I'm wondering if this is a ruse they've cooked up, maybe with Erek's help.quote:But I was. The fear was untouched. Undiminished. Not one iota less powerful. It was like the part of my brain that was capable of thinking, Hey, that wasn’t really so bad, was just gone. It was. It was in my twin. Being harsh on herself - the very definition of coping is being frightened of something but doing it anyway. I think that's inseparable from the definition of "courage" or "bravery," and in fact I think it was Animorphs that taught me that in the first place and there's probably a quote about it somewhere wayyyy back in this thread.
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 12:37 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Did a tunnel turn into a bridge and then... back into a tunnel, in the previous chapter? It morphed
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 18:20 |
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pile of brown posted:It morphed Architecturemorphs spin off series
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 21:47 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Architecturemorphs spin off series It'll never catch on
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 22:01 |
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Is this like when you are driving down the street and turn into a driveway?
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 01:36 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Did a tunnel turn into a bridge and then... back into a tunnel, in the previous chapter? I honestly read this as just part of Jake's deception with the hazard not actually being there and him being unable to keep his lie consistent in the heat of the moment.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 01:59 |
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CidGregor posted:I honestly read this as just part of Jake's deception with the hazard not actually being there and him being unable to keep his lie consistent in the heat of the moment. Probably. Rachel does go out of her way to explicitly say that Jake lied to her to get her to morph.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 04:14 |
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Just a note....I had a minor medical procedure this afternoon/evening, and while I'm fine, I'm still kind of out of it. Next two chapters tomorrow, though.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:36 |
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A minor medical procedure like.... being cut in half?!?
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 08:49 |
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GodFish posted:A minor medical procedure like.... being cut in half?!? Nice Epicurius posts chapters for Animorphs and we think they're cool. Mean Epicurius posts chapters from Ernest Cline's Armada, and we all think they're a loving rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 09:39 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Nice Epicurius posts chapters for Animorphs and we think they're cool. Mean Epicurius posts chapters from Ernest Cline's Armada, and we all think they're a loving rear end in a top hat. Chapter 1 quote:I was staring out the classroom window and daydreaming of adventure when I spotted the flying saucer.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 15:57 |
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Mean Epicurius posts an Animorphs Let's Read because he likes us to suffer. Nice Epicurius is the same way but pokes HA to keep the thread title updated.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 21:27 |
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Ok, so Mean Epicurius has made you read the beginning of Armada (but not the entire first chapter, because he's not a total monster.) Nice Epicurius has asked Hieronymous Alloy to change the thread title to something perpetual so it'll never be out of date. Because he's notoriously indecisive, though, he let HA pick the new title, and he was nice enough to give us David Bowie. Now that I've put myself back together and am feeling more like my old self, here we go! Chapter 29-Mean Rachel quote:My eyes snapped open. I saw rafters. I saw a stall around me. Someone had rolled up a blanket and put it under my head. That's part of why Mean Rachel can't make long term plans. She's distracted by her constant, ever-present rage. just like Nice Rachel can't make short term plans because of her constant anxiety. Chapter 30-Nice Rachel quote:<No! No! No! No! No!> I will say this is amazingly clever of the Yeerks, with the timer and all. Of course they're going to pick up any animal that goes through that door, even the bugs.
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 04:03 |
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quote:<Remember when the Yeerks were trying to get to the President and the world leaders at that conference? Remember how we thought we were done for, trapped by, like, a hundred Hork-Bajir?> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/51f5bc1c-b407-42d2-8620-99cfee45e06c (Probably not a great idea to try to overcome her anxiety by reminding her of all the awful things they've been through, though)
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 06:10 |
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The kids are poo poo at handling this lol
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 09:38 |
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Chapter 31-Mean Rachelquote:Turned out I didn’t need some big plan. I saw Hork-Bajir, I morphed to Hork-Bajir and joined them. Hah! All I had to do was march along like they told me. See, this would work against an actual Andalite, claustrophobic as they are. Also, we got another reference to Gallard, the galactic lingua franca. Chapter 32-Nice Rachel quote:I was on the floor! Out of the box! This is what Erek was jealous of. Also, note that Nice Rachel is actually calmer than Mean Rachel here.....Nice Rachel can work out plans, Mean Rachel can just react.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 05:28 |
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quote:<Submit? I’ll cut your heart out!> If Rachel was an Andalite, she would have said hearts, plural. Good thing V3 isn't observant!
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 16:34 |
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HisMajestyBOB posted:If Rachel was an Andalite, she would have said hearts, plural. Good thing V3 isn't observant! See, this....this is why we only let Ax speak to Yeerks.
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# ? Dec 3, 2021 17:05 |
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Chapter 33-Mean Rachelquote:<You lose, Visser,> the nitwit said, trying hard to sound like me. You know, brave. See, they do need each other. Visser Three is also surprisingly good at sticking to deals in hostage situations, and I think he kinds of respects the Animorphs for all that he hates them and wants them dead. Chapter 34-Nice Rachel quote:It was the barn. We were all there. None of the others had been ambushed. Their trucks had all been decoys. The Anti-Morphing Ray had not been destroyed. And so we end our book, as Rachel leaves with somebody else who's caught between his two selves. Also, Erek is a lot more willing to inflict pain on people than he was when we first met him. The writing is a little inconsistent here. So, that's the book. I know a lot of people didn't like it, but I thought it was ok. It was a lighter, sillier book, and the Rachels were annoying, but they were supposed to be, and after the fairly heavy drama and angst ridden books we got prior to this, silly and light isn't always bad, Anyway, what did people think? Did you like the book? Did you hate it? For those of you who had read it before, did your opinion of it change at all? The next book is going to be a Tobias book, The Illusion, and it was ghostwritten by Ellen Geroux, the most prolific of the Animorph ghostwriters (5 books!). This is, however, the first book we've encountered by her.
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# ? Dec 4, 2021 05:25 |
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So, I haven't done this before. These are children's books and were written like 25 years ago, but that being said, this book has descriptions of torture, of disfigurement, of abuse, and of mental illness. None of it is gratuitous or written lightly, and I think most people will probably be ok with it, but if but you think it's going to bother you, just skip the book and the discussion. As you know, I generally try to post two chapters a day, unless I've got medical or other issues going on, and this book is 27 chapters long, which means we should be done with the book on or around December 19th. So if you want to come back then, that's fine. If you want to talk to me about the book or get advice as to what chapters to skip or whatever and don't want the entire thread to know, my PMs are on, and I'm in the Book Barn discord....not active in it, but I hang out there, so feel free to message me there. For everybody else, though, we'll start the book tomorrow.
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Oh man it's this one. Yeah, good call on the content warning.
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