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Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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indigi posted:

she purchased them and took possession of their ingrained psychological bridle before she did the rest of that stuff

offering them the “choice” of freedom was meaningless

bold claim from someone whom i am certain could not explain the theory behind this "loyalty"

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Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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indigi posted:

I’m sure they’re real torn up about it

they wrote a song about loving a 13 year old

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
regardless of the deeper implications of dany's actions im pretty sure she was meant to be perceived as a good guy

void_serfer
Jan 13, 2012

I for one am glad that no one gives a poo poo about Led Zeppelin anymore.

Zokari
Jul 23, 2007

void_serfer posted:

I for one am glad that no one gives a poo poo about Led Zeppelin anymore.

has anyone ever told them they spelled lead wrong

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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void_serfer posted:

I for one am glad that no one gives a poo poo about Led Zeppelin anymore.

they're still insanely popular lmao

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

how quickly we have forgotten the disgracefully unhip suits of free guy who had never heard one of the most famous songs in the world

void_serfer
Jan 13, 2012

Judakel posted:

they're still insanely popular lmao

To boomers, maybe. They have no cultural relevancy, unlike say a Pink Floyd.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Some Guy TT posted:

how quickly we have forgotten the disgracefully unhip suits of free guy who had never heard one of the most famous songs in the world

you're thinking of ragnarok

void_serfer posted:

To boomers, maybe. They have no cultural relevancy, unlike say a Pink Floyd.

they're more popular among younger people than pink floyd, which are mostly liked by drug addicts

void_serfer
Jan 13, 2012

Judakel posted:

you're thinking of ragnarok

they're more popular among younger people than pink floyd, which are mostly liked by drug addicts

You've obviously never heard of the food industry.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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void_serfer posted:

You've obviously never heard of the food industry.

i dont eat

void_serfer
Jan 13, 2012

Led Zeppelin fans: Cocaine is a helluva drug

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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i dont like cocaine i just like how it smells

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
Now Pink Floyd, there’s an overrated band. Had like two good songs and a bunch of stuff where someone fell asleep on the keyboard.

Paladin
Nov 26, 2004
You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.


The best song about about a gun is the version of Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner where Zevon inexplicably goes into a Beethoven arrangement of Goethe's Bundeslied halfway through. It has everything, CIA Fuckery, vague proto-socialism, Hunter S. in the audience probably, just the works.

void_serfer
Jan 13, 2012

galagazombie posted:

Now Pink Floyd, there’s an overrated band. Had like two good songs and a bunch of stuff where someone fell asleep on the keyboard.

Dark Side of the Moon is overrated, I'll give you that.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Led Zep's ongoing popularity is currently sublimated via Greta Van Fleet. Before them it was Wolfmother. And before that, Kingdom Come.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Thinking about Wolfmother for the first time in like 14 years now makes me think of King Mike Patton's take:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDvJTxZDbA

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Paladin posted:

The best song about about a gun is the version of Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner where Zevon inexplicably goes into a Beethoven arrangement of Goethe's Bundeslied halfway through. It has everything, CIA Fuckery, vague proto-socialism, Hunter S. in the audience probably, just the works.

Warren Zevon is eternally underrated

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

seeing this video in class and getting extremely confused trying to figure out when paul verhoeven drank from the fountain of youth and also decided gamers were evil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA2kHVMak0E

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

oh god has this guy ever actually played a video game in his life

i am so drawing blanks on which zelda game involved zelda manipulating link like a chess piece and dressing up as a ninja at night to go shank people link cant handle

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

a Loving Dog posted:

The new bond was bad

it sucked a lot but so have most of craig bonds

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Farm Frenzy posted:

i think shows having really bad endings is more of a result bizzare processes that studios impose on them in their production, where they want epic plotlines with raising stakes and also the traditional tv ability to bullshit around what the audience likes/performances from actors etc. like when westworld was rewritten because someone on reddit guessed the ending
lol that will never stop being funny. i also have a feeling Lost did the same thing.

but yes, these processes typically involve epic spanning arcs of constantly raising the stakes and threat of blahblah and there's generally few talented enough to bring that back down to a 'satisfying' ending. these tend to go on unplanned and just constantly rushing from one release to the next trying to get it done on time for production release to the satisfaction of hollywood pedophile producers, and all with different writers coming in and out and just having to get something made and so you end up with a sprawling mess that just has to cut the jugular at the last second without depressurizing it first.

or even in a budgetary sense too. lot of games do the ending like the last and oops we're out of moeny and have to release it right now, well gently caress it lets just give them a button to decide a lovely cutscene. like deus ex hr, or deathloop, or really a large portion of them.

really the best thing to happen to a tv show with sprawling increasingly epic-stakes and convoluted mess is getting cancelled before having to 'end' it.

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Some Guy TT posted:

oh god has this guy ever actually played a video game in his life

i am so drawing blanks on which zelda game involved zelda manipulating link like a chess piece and dressing up as a ninja at night to go shank people link cant handle

Ocarina of Time.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

GoT is just Harry Potter for people that think they're smarter than the average Harry Potter fan

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
sometimes you want not everyone in a tv show to end up being hitler, but I can see how that need is maybe misguided

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

galagazombie posted:

Now Pink Floyd, there’s an overrated band. Had like two good songs and a bunch of stuff where someone fell asleep on the keyboard.

This is probably why I like Pink Floyd most when it's Roger Waters' platform to tell Margaret Thatcher and Reagan to gently caress off for perpetuating a needless cycle of violence for 50 minutes at a time
and then tricking boomer dadrock dads into listening to and singing along with it somehow without them ever noticing it's the antithesis to everything they believe
hush up and play the solo Gilmour, let Roger talk

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

That article reminds me of how much I respect Elysium for actually a liberatory ending. I remember people online criticizing it because, like, why wouldn't the rich people just share their healthcare pods with the poor? Lol

E: Pink Floyd is total wuss music

Mantis42 has issued a correction as of 13:27 on Dec 1, 2021

Serf
May 5, 2011


i say swears online posted:

iunno maybe it's that I never liked her in the books either

goddamn them laughing at samwell for discussing democracy was an embarrassing scene

i really liked that scene. because, yeah, that's what a bunch of aristocratic assholes would think about democracy. it would sound insane to them. it is the bourgeoisie who ushered in the idea of liberal democracy, not the hereditary nobles. of course the bourgeoisie ended up being no different from them and were often drawn from the same bloodlines, but nevertheless they're the ones who come along and smash the old system. and even then, the democracy they instituted was for their class alone and the franchise was only extended to stave off social unrest. samwell was proposing a modern style of democracy and the people he was talking to were absolutely not ready for it nor would they profit from it.

also i liked that article, its a much more concise version of what mark fisher said in "capitalist realism" really. you're not getting any truly revolutionary themes in your mass media because why would they allow that? like the last movie i watched that had an actionable political agenda that i agreed with was "sorry to bother you" and that movie barely got made

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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i mean it's not like capitalist realism is a long book? it's not quite that short but still

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

if it's a book and not a post it's already too long

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
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Farm Frenzy posted:

i think shows having really bad endings is more of a result bizzare processes that studios impose on them in their production, where they want epic plotlines with raising stakes and also the traditional tv ability to bullshit around what the audience likes/performances from actors etc. like when westworld was rewritten because someone on reddit guessed the ending

I strongly agree. Two things to keep in mind about any production:
1. Film and TV are artworks of compromise - depending on how much creative control, there might be more or less. But there will still be compromises that have to be made with reality, time, etc. Unavoidable events happen that prevent the product on screen from matching exactly with what was initially envisioned. This isn't always a bad thing! Sometimes those compromises end up creating something better - a good example is that the character of Mike on Breaking Bad was invented solely because Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict with the days the episode was supposed to shoot, so the scene with Saul Goodman was rewritten to be a scene with Saul Goodman's Fixer Mike. Compromise!

2. The Executives with whom people have to compromise in order to get these movies and TV shows made are absolutely some of the dumbest motherfuckers on Earth and have no idea what actually makes something entertaining. The fact that anything of quality makes its way through that filter to us is honestly kind of a miracle.

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Serf posted:

i really liked that scene. because, yeah, that's what a bunch of aristocratic assholes would think about democracy. it would sound insane to them. it is the bourgeoisie who ushered in the idea of liberal democracy, not the hereditary nobles. of course the bourgeoisie ended up being no different from them and were often drawn from the same bloodlines, but nevertheless they're the ones who come along and smash the old system. and even then, the democracy they instituted was for their class alone and the franchise was only extended to stave off social unrest. samwell was proposing a modern style of democracy and the people he was talking to were absolutely not ready for it nor would they profit from it.

also i liked that article, its a much more concise version of what mark fisher said in "capitalist realism" really. you're not getting any truly revolutionary themes in your mass media because why would they allow that? like the last movie i watched that had an actionable political agenda that i agreed with was "sorry to bother you" and that movie barely got made

There's a similar part in The Name of the Rose too with William of Baskerville.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

This is probably why I like Pink Floyd most when it's Roger Waters' platform to tell Margaret Thatcher and Reagan to gently caress off for perpetuating a needless cycle of violence for 50 minutes at a time
and then tricking boomer dadrock dads into listening to and singing along with it somehow without them ever noticing it's the antithesis to everything they believe
hush up and play the solo Gilmour, let Roger talk

The guitar solo in comfortably numb tells more of a story than the actual lyrics do.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

josh04 posted:

i mean it's not like capitalist realism is a long book? it's not quite that short but still

it's 80 pages long lmao.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

it's 80 pages long lmao.

i feel like he's got most of the famous stuff out of the way in the first ~18 or so

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Lib and let die posted:

The guitar solo in comfortably numb tells more of a story than the actual lyrics do.

The Wall is a slog for me and the band didn't have a great time making it either.

Roger Waters was a big part of what make Pink Floyd more than a generic jam band, but he doesn't sound like an easy person to work with. It seems like a typical rock band story of one guy/girl stepping up to make decisions and provide leadership while the other members become increasingly passive-aggressive until the whole situation is completely untenable.

I haven't tried listening to the Final Cut. A friend of mine claims its their best album, but the one single I heard was pretty dreary.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Eric Cantonese posted:

The Wall is a slog for me and the band didn't have a great time making it either.

Roger Waters was a big part of what make Pink Floyd more than a generic jam band, but he doesn't sound like an easy person to work with. It seems like a typical rock band story of one guy/girl stepping up to make decisions and provide leadership while the other members become increasingly passive-aggressive until the whole situation is completely untenable.

I haven't tried listening to the Final Cut. A friend of mine claims its their best album, but the one single I heard was pretty dreary.

*quickly checking around the room for the nearest egress point*

I uh...I like the division bells

Serf
May 5, 2011


AnimeIsTrash posted:

it's 80 pages long lmao.

69 more pages than necessary

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Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

ToxicAcne posted:

There's a similar part in The Name of the Rose too with William of Baskerville.

I'd say it's one of the undercurrents of the whole book, with the side plot about the Dulcinians.

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