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Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjpDZ1O4C0&t=47s

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paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

indigi posted:

“road users”

ya

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

lil poopendorfer posted:

my issue w road design to control speed is that it assumes you're dealing w rational actors that recognize that it's unsafe to drive quickly through those areas. American drivers are far from rational, to put it mildly. In my city we have speed cameras at park-adjacent roads and literally everyone drives the limit. THere's no room for idiots to think "well I'm such an exceptional driver that I bet I can take that curve at a high speed". It's black & white: drive the limit+4mph or get a ticket.

the one weird trick with safe road design is to make it so any mistake on the driver's part will cause a ding or scratch to their car. the average car brain treats the vehicle as an extension of their body and will slow down and be careful so as to avoid any damage to themselves

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

but also yes enforce limits with automated cameras

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

interesting GTA:SA mod

impressive fidelity

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn
When I was doing my driving exam in Poland the examiner got really mad at me when I didn't run over a pedestrian who walked in front of the car. He very angrily said "if you do that again there will be consequences", verbatim.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

My favorite thing when driving is the look of horror, shock, and confusion that comes over a pedestrian when they see me slowing down and stopping for them at a crosswalk or stop sign. It's such a rare event the pedestrian can't seem to process that is is actually happening.

If you smile and wave while yielding it confuses people even more, this is extremely abnormal behavior.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
it's a little depressing how few pedestrians know to hit the button to get a walk signal. Carbrains will sit there waiting forever thinking it's some kind of "placebo" button

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

it's a little depressing how few pedestrians know to hit the button to get a walk signal. Carbrains will sit there waiting forever thinking it's some kind of "placebo" button

Aren't they bullshit in some places

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
The pedestrian crossing buttons were all automated in the Brisbane CBD so people don't have to touch them and get covid germs.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

The pedestrian crossing buttons were all automated in the Brisbane CBD so people don't have to touch them and get covid germs.

yeah they did this here too. they were in the process of fully automating them before covid started but they've left the buttons in place until they need to service the pole they're on. iirc all crosswalk lights are fully automated now here

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
Generally in the states if there is a button the crossing signal is not automatic( at least in Oregon and California... I am starting to suspect that many of the Vermont ones are automatic)

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

There are a lot of flashing yellow pedestrian death zones that cross the middle of the street around here, it does not matter if you push the button or do not push the button people will usually not stop for you because they have no idea what these zones are.



There is a story about someone getting run over in these "crossing zones" like every 2 weeks

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
lmao it looks like drivers wont even be able to see peds in the crossing until they crested that hill back there, great design. Why not just put a traffic light, or a below surface or above surface crossing, or like literally anything that might not get people killed

edit: here have some bad driving as a treat. Love the constant theme of even the people who are in the right still refuse to just stop their car and be safe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCZ9o94a_m4

Jokerpilled Drudge has issued a correction as of 14:16 on Dec 1, 2021

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Junkozeyne posted:

That was the result of a 2 year trial in Graz for general 30km/h except on some priority roads. Pretending it does nothing is just car brain.

Woo! Graz!

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

lmao it looks like drivers wont even be able to seed peds in the crossing until they crested that hill back there, great design. Why not just put a traffic light, or a below surface or above surface crossing, or like literally anything that might not get people killed


Most of the time people die because a car in one lane slows down to yield and the car behind switches lanes to pass the yielder while checking blind spot or just flipping off the yielder for slowing down. The pedestrian sometimes can't even see the car behind, they are confident and happy because traffic is yielding to them.

This happens so often, you can just set up a chair and wait for the chaos to start.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Pryor on Fire posted:

There are a lot of flashing yellow pedestrian death zones that cross the middle of the street around here, it does not matter if you push the button or do not push the button people will usually not stop for you because they have no idea what these zones are.



There is a story about someone getting run over in these "crossing zones" like every 2 weeks

I usually just jaywalk instead of using these. I'm actually more in control of my crossing that way and can do so when there are no cars. On the occasions I do use them it's because I'm feeling sassy and want to make the cars stop.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

Pryor on Fire posted:

Most of the time people die because a car in one lane slows down to yield and the car behind switches lanes to pass the yielder while checking blind spot or just flipping off the yielder for slowing down. The pedestrian sometimes can't even see the car behind, they are confident and happy because traffic is yielding to them.

This happens so often, you can just set up a chair and wait for the chaos to start.

ah that old chestnut. Love when you have to physically block the other lane with your car to prevent people from running down kids in a crosswalk

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Who of you did that?

"Pycharm tutorial" posted:

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distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Pryor on Fire posted:

There are a lot of flashing yellow pedestrian death zones that cross the middle of the street around here, it does not matter if you push the button or do not push the button people will usually not stop for you because they have no idea what these zones are.



There is a story about someone getting run over in these "crossing zones" like every 2 weeks

idgi are these not just normal pedestrian crossings?

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

No you press a walk button and there are bright yellow lights that flash at cars to stop, they are called pedestrian death zones around Denver

They are also in the middle of the road, not at intersections

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Pryor on Fire posted:

No you press a walk button and there are bright yellow lights that flash at cars to stop, they are called pedestrian death zones around Denver

They are also in the middle of the road, not at intersections

Sounds like a zebra crossing?




I suppose if driver's don't realise they are meant to stop they could be pretty dangerous

stone soup
Jul 8, 2004

local rag posted:

Tense moments unfolded Tuesday evening outside the Hennepin County Government Center in downtown Minneapolis after a car drove past some barricades into the area where protesters were calling for justice for Daunte Wright.

[...]

Police are not working to track down the driver because the protesters did not have a permit to block off the street and thus the driver was not committing a crime by entering the area, Parten said.
lol

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

pointsofdata posted:

I suppose if driver's don't realise they are meant to stop they could be pretty dangerous
Oh, they know, many just don't care and choose to ignore it.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


In France they don't even require the yellow lights - it makes it way cheaper to install as it's just paint so cities have loads of them.



Of course, they are only required in the first place because society has decided that cars should have priority over people in the first place

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

pointsofdata posted:

I suppose if driver's don't realise they are meant to stop they could be pretty dangerous

It's sort of like the red turn arrow, a lot of people have just never seen that before and have no idea to even look for it much less what it means.

But yeah there are a lot of locals who know they are supposed to yield for peds and just laugh while accelerating

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




pointsofdata posted:

I suppose if driver's don't realise they are meant to stop they could be pretty dangerous

They don't work in America. Drivers will actually accelerate so that they can justify not stopping for you. "Oh I was going too fast so it wouldn't have been safe to stop"

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




pointsofdata posted:

In France they don't even require the yellow lights - it makes it way cheaper to install as it's just paint so cities have loads of them.

They don't all have them, and the lights aren't exactly like a traffic signal. Pedestrians are supposed to be able to cross regardless. The lights are there because drivers need big flashing warnings or they'll never yield (they still don't yield anyway though)

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
It's almost like pure infrastructure fixes that fall short of removing cars entirely aren't sufficient to confront sociopathic drivers who choose to ignore them :thunk:

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
my favorite is when they let the zebra crossing completely fade so pedestrians familiar with the crossing now have to contend with car drivers who can't see it

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Fitzy Fitz posted:

They don't all have them, and the lights aren't exactly like a traffic signal. Pedestrians are supposed to be able to cross regardless. The lights are there because drivers need big flashing warnings or they'll never yield (they still don't yield anyway though)

Yeah, that's how the UK zebra crossings work. The lights are always on to tell drivers "this is the 0.5% of the road where you don't have priority"* so they're meant to pay attention.


*technically I think pedestrians already on the road always have priority over drivers, it would be kind of nuts if that wasn't the case, but these are where you're meant to cross

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

they have several of those as part of the Macalester college campus, as you can see it's kind of obscured by trees, and students just kind of run across whenever

Rockstar Massacre
Mar 2, 2009

i only have a crazy life
because i make risky decisions
from a position of
unreasonable self-confidence
pedestrian crossings are a trap, just a way to for cars to get you in their sights.

i'll do everything in my power to not stand in front of a running vehicle at all. it's terrible that's less of an option for the infirm or disabled, though

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



I almost got hit crossing the street at a light yesterday. The driver was very mad I was walking when the light said too and he had to wait to turn a few seconds! He almost clipped me when he ripped past me while I was in the middle of the street.

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



Rockstar Massacre posted:

pedestrian crossings are a trap, just a way to for cars to get you in their sights.

i'll do everything in my power to not stand in front of a running vehicle at all. it's terrible that's less of an option for the infirm or disabled, though

Its winter so if your not able bodied in my city gg! You will have to climb large snow banks that block the pedestrian curbs that are impossible in a wheelchair or scooter.

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
these cars are making me thirsty

lil poopendorfer
Nov 13, 2014

by the sex ghost

haha onion-esque

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

Suplex Liberace posted:

I almost got hit crossing the street at a light yesterday. The driver was very mad I was walking when the light said too and he had to wait to turn a few seconds! He almost clipped me when he ripped past me while I was in the middle of the street.

destroy all cars. crush them into tiny cubes and fling them into outer space

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

Rockstar Massacre posted:

pedestrian crossings are a trap, just a way to for cars to get you in their sights.

i'll do everything in my power to not stand in front of a running vehicle at all. it's terrible that's less of an option for the infirm or disabled, though

In my mind I'm never going to die from no car. Absolutely never. a driver tries to run me over in the cross walk the fights on. if they try to back over me the fights on. if i'm struck the fight is on. I'm not losing no fight to some SCUMBAG in a steel cage. PERIOD thats it. No son of a bitch out there is going to get me. The only way he gets me is to decapitate me with his tire. and I MEAN THAT. I'll fight you until I've got a breath left in me. I don't think any of those animals in that street can beat me. And I've been going that way for 18 years of street riding, bike commuting and thats the way I want to keep on going. you DONT LOSE THE FIGHT

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biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008



these are active killzones. pedestrian honey pots for car feed

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