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Dec 1, 2021 04:12
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lol incredible
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Dec 1, 2021 05:09
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99% of these are dumb poo poo, but when they land like this one just lol 
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Dec 1, 2021 13:57
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I don't know how I hadn't found this until now, but apparently there are scripts for both David Lynch's Dune and Jodorowsky's Dune.
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Dec 1, 2021 18:59
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My favorite part of Joderowsky's dune documentary is when he says that he had never read the book before deciding to work on the project.
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Dec 1, 2021 19:09
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Wow, that first draft of Lynch Dune breaks off even earlier than Villeneuve. But hey, they fit the dinner party in! Also, I hope the little backstory explaining cards they passed out at the premiere explained that Rabban’s gross bug juicebox is canonically called a squood
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Dec 1, 2021 20:19
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squood this will come in use for the future of this thread
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Dec 1, 2021 20:24
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skasion posted:Wow, that first draft of Lynch Dune breaks off even earlier than Villeneuve. But hey, they fit the dinner party in!
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Dec 1, 2021 20:26
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chillin w the boys
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Dec 1, 2021 20:30
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Squished food. Squood. Checks out.
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Dec 1, 2021 20:31
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:It makes some kind of sense, because I think there's a mention - possibly by Francesca Annis - that it was supposed to be either two or three movies? I think at the first draft stage they were basically trying to see how far they could get in 120 pages without adding or cutting anything much. The second draft (the first one Lynch worked on) has pacing much more like the finished movie and in general seems much more realistic about how much movie they were gonna get to make.
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Dec 1, 2021 20:35
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kiimo posted:squood squood (living food).
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Dec 1, 2021 20:39
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shields supposedly made projectile weapons obsolete, but can't you just snipe someone before they react to activate their sheild? checkmate, atreilures 
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Dec 1, 2021 20:46
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What’s the motivation for Harkonnen guy encased in the wall with the hunter seeker? What’s his thought process? Either he was so devoted to the Harkonnen ideals of, being fat?, that he volunteered to buried alive with no food or water with no way to carve his way out so even if he succeeds he dies a horrible death. Or he was forced to do it in which case he still carries out his mission instead of just shouting for help so the Atreides will dig him out and he can sell out the Harkonnen’s.
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Dec 2, 2021 01:21
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galagazombie posted:What’s the motivation for Harkonnen guy encased in the wall with the hunter seeker? What’s his thought process? Either he was so devoted to the Harkonnen ideals of, being fat?, that he volunteered to buried alive with no food or water with no way to carve his way out so even if he succeeds he dies a horrible death. Or he was forced to do it in which case he still carries out his mission instead of just shouting for help so the Atreides will dig him out and he can sell out the Harkonnen’s. What do you think happens to the families of the guys who say “nah” to suicide attack duty
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Dec 2, 2021 01:34
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"Deploy the hunter seeker, then we'll swoop back in and let you out, and you'll be promoted to the rank of Slave Pit Overseer!!"
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Dec 2, 2021 01:42
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skasion posted:What do you think happens to the families of the guys who say “nah” to suicide attack duty They'd be... fine? No? Less than fine? Sub par? Give me a hint here
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Dec 2, 2021 01:43
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Dec 2, 2021 01:46
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sebmojo posted:They'd be... fine? No? Less than fine? Sub par? Give me a hint here The guy who refused would be executed, of course, but I'm sure someone on Geidi Prime would be happy to give his destitute family a hand. Or six.
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Dec 2, 2021 01:53
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skasion posted:What do you think happens to the families of the guys who say “nah” to suicide attack duty Do they form the hand spider?
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Dec 2, 2021 02:01
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skasion posted:What do you think happens to the families of the guys who say “nah” to suicide attack duty Reproductive stumps.
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Dec 2, 2021 02:02
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Beefnubbins
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Dec 2, 2021 02:05
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everyone on Geidi Prime who isn't a House bigwig is a tyrannized slave. getting immured was probably preferable to the alternative.
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Dec 2, 2021 02:23
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galagazombie posted:the Harkonnen ideals of, being fat?, Being bald Hope feyd has a flowing mane in duncs tho
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Dec 2, 2021 03:32
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I think that one of the biggest weakness’s of the setting is the just absolute dismissal of the masses. Not in-story by the aristocracy, that makes sense, but by the story and author. The Harkonnen’s can just be so comically murderous to their own people and no one is ever mad enough to revolt or even just not be zealous in their devotion, and you can’t even use self-preservation or “they’ll kill my family” as an excuse because they’ll kill you and your family if you don’t revolt. But Dune mostly just treats people as robots who follow whatever inputs the nobles give them without question.
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Dec 2, 2021 05:34
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yeah its been decades since i read the book but i dont remember any kind of portrayal of normal rank-and-file harkonnens at all, let alone depictions of what life is like for regular people on geidi prime. if regular people even exist there?
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Dec 2, 2021 07:10
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galagazombie posted:I think that one of the biggest weakness’s of the setting is the just absolute dismissal of the masses. Not in-story by the aristocracy, that makes sense, but by the story and author. The Harkonnen’s can just be so comically murderous to their own people and no one is ever mad enough to revolt or even just not be zealous in their devotion, and you can’t even use self-preservation or “they’ll kill my family” as an excuse because they’ll kill you and your family if you don’t revolt. But Dune mostly just treats people as robots who follow whatever inputs the nobles give them without question. North Korea
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Dec 2, 2021 07:11
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baron said i could have a go in his oil bath if i pushed this tiny flying thing through the atreides kid's wall
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Dec 2, 2021 07:14
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This is extremely reading between the lines but I always assumed the Harkonnen peasants lived pretty unremarkable lives, if a little shittier than under the Atreides. It always seemed like the closer to the Baron or na-Baron someone got the more likely they'd be swept up in plots within plots. This applies to spice production, so anybody on Arrakis was gonna have a hard time while If you were on the other side of the planet that is. If Feyd saw your
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Dec 2, 2021 07:36
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galagazombie posted:The Harkonnen’s can just be so comically murderous to their own people and no one is ever mad enough to revolt or even just not be zealous in their devotion, and you can’t even use self-preservation or “they’ll kill my family” as an excuse because they’ll kill you and your family if you don’t revolt. I mean
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Dec 2, 2021 07:48
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baron said he'd let me ghost ride the ornithopter if i carpet bombed arrakeen
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Dec 2, 2021 07:54
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I think frank was concerned about the fate of the mass of humanity in the abstract (that is, after all, basically the whole point of geod) but either didn't know how or wasn't interested in actually approaching the story from that perspective. Amusingly the "galactic middle class" emerges most clearly as a victimized force when late era frank went full complaining about the IRS mode and started ranting about how much they were being space taxed for space social security
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Dec 2, 2021 08:06
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I will not let this slip by unpraised
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Dec 2, 2021 09:17
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Ingmar terdman posted:I mean Pop culture gives us this image of the lower classes just meekly submitting to any and all inequities but that’s really not what happened historically. And things like “Prima Noctis” were pure fantasy made up in the modern era. The truth is that they were revolting near constantly or at least agitating for a bigger slice of the pie, and definitely not willing to become “suicide troops” en masse like the Harkonnens are. Now yes these revolts would fail 9 times out of 10, but they never stopped. And even if they didn’t succeed and install a new king or emperor, The cost of suppressing them was astronomical. You can’t demand the peasants give you their crops when you’ve had to kill all the peasants and burn all their crops after all. Aristocrats had to constantly thread the needle of keeping the common people happy because every tax increase or demand for service would be met with a “what’s in it for us?”. And while you can kill a non-compliant individual, killing all of them destroys your economy and tax base to the degree you might be too weak to fight off your rivals.
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Dec 2, 2021 09:32
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24/7 news report about how the Atreides want to outlaw YOUR heartplugs.
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Dec 2, 2021 09:53
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galagazombie posted:Pop culture gives us this image of the lower classes just meekly submitting to any and all inequities but that’s really not what happened historically. And things like “Prima Noctis” were pure fantasy made up in the modern era. The truth is that they were revolting near constantly or at least agitating for a bigger slice of the pie, and definitely not willing to become “suicide troops” en masse like the Harkonnens are. Now yes these revolts would fail 9 times out of 10, but they never stopped. And even if they didn’t succeed and install a new king or emperor, The cost of suppressing them was astronomical. You can’t demand the peasants give you their crops when you’ve had to kill all the peasants and burn all their crops after all. Aristocrats had to constantly thread the needle of keeping the common people happy because every tax increase or demand for service would be met with a “what’s in it for us?”. And while you can kill a non-compliant individual, killing all of them destroys your economy and tax base to the degree you might be too weak to fight off your rivals. who are the suicide troops?
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Dec 2, 2021 09:54
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sebmojo posted:who are the suicide troops? When the Atreides arrived on Arrakis they mention the Harkonnen’s left a bunch of “Suicide Troops” behind to fight the Atreides and they’ll have to root them out. It’s misdirection by the Baron to make them not realize the scale of the trap. And they say “Suicide Troops” like it’s this proper noun like it’s just something militaries do.
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Dec 2, 2021 10:00
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Everybody gets an extra hour in the hand spider pit.
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The Baron actually goes into this in some detail in the novel, when he explains all about how a particular Harkonnen Captain is addicted to the drug music semuta, and how important it is to know a man's cravings and weaknesses and then be able to use them to control him. So the stick is only one facet of Harkonnen control, but they hide hooks in the carrot too. It's one thing that I felt was really missing from both films' portrayal of the Harkonnens. Reducing them to bald brutes makes them a lot less interesting.
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