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freebooter posted:(Australian governments irritatingly don't include children in their numbers so the "official" figure is 93% fully vaxxed but I suspect the actual total number, which I can't find, is closer to yours). Casey has started including it in his charts. https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1465540098540257280?t=hZG5d8gsrtcMTRXAG-36DQ&s=19
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Booourns posted:Omicron has been in the US since at least nov 22nd, cool only took 9 days to confirm  Few days for person to get symptoms, a day at least for a PCR test to come back positive except for dropouts on the mutated genes, then sequencing it takes a few days of instrument time
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Foxfire_ posted:
japan had a case fully sequenced and proven omicron within 24 hours of them landing from their flight lol
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Dec 2, 2021 04:50
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Japan did it in like twenty‐four hours after their case stepped off a plane. e:f;b The U.S. just wasn’t looking very hard, period.
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e: nope I fail at dates Still not <24 hrs though. Guy arrived on the 28th, they finished sequencing on the 30th. Foxfire_ fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 04:56
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Australia had a case confirmed and sequenced within 24 hours by NSW Health. https://twitter.com/nswhealth/status/1464837049291186180?s=21 Helith fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 05:00
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The US is sequencing more cases than any other nation and took multiple days past a dozen plus nations to find omicron. I don't think it's because omi wasn't here but would like to know why.
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Dec 2, 2021 05:02
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Elea posted:The US is sequencing more cases than any other nation and took multiple days past a dozen plus nations to find omicron. I don't think it's because omi wasn't here but would like to know why. Because per capita we aren't sequencing more and to sequence an infection a person has to go get a test and half the country believes that this virus doesn't exist so even when they are laid out with an illness they aren't bothering to test for covid, they just go about their lives and either get better or wind up in the ICU but that drastically cuts down on the overall surveillance operation. And that makes me wonder, I'd really hope that the tests that are done when someone winds up in the ICU are all like 100% sent in for sequencing as opposed to the 5% target that biden set for variant surveillance.
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cr0y posted:I'd really hope that the tests that are done when someone winds up in the ICU are all like 100% sent in for sequencing as opposed to the 5% target that biden set for variant surveillance. lol lmao
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Dec 2, 2021 07:09
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I'm super excited to find out what the FDA decides in like 6 months for any sort of protection for children three and under. Take your time guys.
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Dec 2, 2021 07:49
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Love seeing all the folks making GBS threads on labs for not having full genetic sequences in under a loving day from when the patient arrives in country. I mean come on, it’s one thing to constantly go after political figures, but maybe loving lay off the lab techs. I’ve done infectious disease work in a professional lab setting for a number of years in the past, and sometimes poo poo takes time. Sometimes you need to run a test again, especially when you have to be sure. And yes, that includes genetic sequencing and outbreak tracking. Are the lab techs now just brunch-eating lanyard shitlibs now? Maybe lay off the constant complaining, hearing nothing but venting is obnoxious.
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Dec 2, 2021 08:52
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Solkanar512 posted:Love seeing all the folks making GBS threads on labs for not having full genetic sequences in under a loving day from when the patient arrives in country. Why, it goes without saying  But I think you’re right, it does take 5-7 days from exposure until you can be pretty sure it is detectable by PCR. That isn’t to say there weren’t any cases in America a week ago, but it really is not as simple as testing on arrival or even two days later (which SAGE warned Boris about but was ignored - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59484322 ). I foolishly traveled abroad and returned a few days ago, and had figured I’d take a PCR test on day 2 as is the UK policy, but I decided to wait a few more days after reviewing the available evidence a little more carefully.
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Solkanar512 posted:Love seeing all the folks making GBS threads on labs for not having full genetic sequences in under a loving day from when the patient arrives in country. I love the progress we've made though It took 20 years to sequence the human genome, six years of planning (1984-1990) and another 12 years (1991-2003) to actually accomplish it, literal nation-state level moonshot project for that kind of technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project Now you can order a genetic sequencer out of a catalog* and have it shipped to your door and installed in your garage in 72 hours Now we're bitching about 24 hour turnaround on genetic sequencing a virus that didn't exist 2 years ago, from a lay-person on a commercial flight Gonna trot out this lame video everyone has seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcAWN5R5-I *at great expense
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Dec 2, 2021 09:37
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No one is blaming America’s laboratory technicians. That’s a ridiculous deflection, worse than when opponents of the war in Iraq were said to hate the troops.
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Platystemon posted:No one is blaming America’s laboratory technicians. That’s a ridiculous deflection, worse than when opponents of the war in Iraq were said to hate the troops. The latter idea is real and has some history to it, so it’s not the best of comparisons. quote:But without him There ought to be more songs about lab techs though
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Dec 2, 2021 09:45
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That’s why it’s more ridiculous and not the same level of ridiculous. The same level of ridiculous would be accusing people who said that no child in America should go hungry of hating America’s hardworking migrant farmworkers.
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Dec 2, 2021 09:48
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It's not the fault of lab technicians or lack of sequencing capacity, according to this Nature article from April it's largely due to downstream logistical/administrative issues associated with US healthcare not being a unified system. Also lack of funding. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00908-0 quote:But researchers at several labs say a lack of samples is as big of a problem as a lack of funding. “We could easily run 1,500 samples each week, but we’re running about 380,” says Lea Starita, a genomicist at the UW Northwest Genomics Center in Seattle. “Someone needs to be willing to fork samples over.” Most labs that do COVID testing are privately operated and they don't have good communication with universities that have sequencing labs, nor do they have an incentive to store samples for later sequencing. edit: a decent example might be the twitter account of a testing lab in Los Angeles that had sent samples on for sequencing and was hoping to find the first verified Omicron cases. You could probably characterize this as the US system of COVID testing being almost entirely privatized and the testing companies don't have good coordination with sequencing laboratories which are (mostly) at university research labs. Whatever the opposite of private-public partnership is. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 10:03
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Hadlock posted:If China can hold the Olympics with zero community spread, that'll become the gold standard for international travel Doesn't bode well for tourism, if you have to spend your 2-week holiday holed up in a hotel room 
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Dec 2, 2021 11:08
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Yeah China can carry on with COVID-zero if they want but the idea that's going to become the "gold standard" is laughable. I would have been perfectly fine with Australia keeping 2-week quarantine indefinitely if COVID-zero had turned out to be viable - tourism doesn't actually matter that much! - but wouldn't have been thinking it was going to prove anything to the rest of the world.
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Dec 2, 2021 14:05
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There won't be any international tourists for the Beijing Olympics. I don't think you can even get a tourist visa right now or use an existing one from pre-Covid (there were 10-year tourist visas).
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Dec 2, 2021 14:05
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Lmao if you think you can keep Olympic athletes and their trainers in a hotel room for two weeks.
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Dec 2, 2021 14:20
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ANIME AKBAR posted:Lmao if you think you can keep Olympic athletes and their trainers in a hotel room for two weeks. Won't that be more like the NBA bubble? They've got the entire Olympic village and will only directly interact with people who are also cut off from the rest of the population for the duration of the event. I agree it will probably still be a clusterfuck in some way since they're flying in lunatics from all over the world who are exceptionally skilled at evading biological tests. But it won't be the same at all as opening the gates for tourists to attend.
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Dec 2, 2021 14:25
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My big question surrounding the Olympics is if every case gets massively publicized because it makes China and their containment efforts look bad, or if they get ignored ala the summer ones because COVID is over. Trump Law dictates it be something even stupider than that I guess so probably it'll get minimum attention as the markets shift to every other stock combined losing ground to just TeslaSolkanar512 posted:Love seeing all the folks making GBS threads on labs for not having full genetic sequences in under a loving day from when the patient arrives in country. Has anybody blamed the lab techs or even like, lead techs or lab managers or whatever? I don't think anybody here is under the impression that they can one day get out of bed and say "I'm going to do 1 day turnaround sequencing I think" and bam it happens. The complaints seem to be mostly around the sort of mechanical and labor capacity that would make that possible not being prioritized in their opinion.
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Epic High Five posted:Has anybody blamed the lab techs or even like, lead techs or lab managers or whatever? I don't think anybody here is under the impression that they can one day get out of bed and say "I'm going to do 1 day turnaround sequencing I think" and bam it happens. The complaints seem to be mostly around the sort of mechanical and labor capacity that would make that possible not being prioritized in their opinion. Well, both Mod Sassinator and Platystemon were specifically under the impression that Japan did it in a single day, and went on to whine that the US wasn't doing it either. mod sassinator posted:japan had a case fully sequenced and proven omicron within 24 hours of them landing from their flight lol Platystemon posted:Japan did it in like twenty‐four hours after their case stepped off a plane. Both these posts are pretty clear in their expectation that it should only take a day between someone stepping off of a plane, and having their Covid-19 strain sequenced and reported. No other specifics are mentioned because it's just more venting. I don't even understand where the criticism comes from, it's been less than a week since Omicron was identified elsewhere. That doesn't seem an unreasonable amount of time to find that specific strain here given incubation rates, people with modest or no symptoms not being tested right away and actual time in the lab to perform the work.
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Solkanar512 posted:Well, both Mod Sassinator and Platystemon were specifically under the impression that Japan did it in a single day, and went on to whine that the US wasn't doing it either. Okay but neither of them mentioned anything or anybody below the level of national priorities though, and them being wrong about Japan having done it was addressed. If it doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time because of lab constraints you're aware of just say that, nobody was attacking the grunts unless I missed something. If people are venting it's because national-level institutions can more or less be assumed to be way behind the ball at this point, hence why the CDC comes up a lot but individual labs contracted for testing samples to my knowledge has yet to
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The anime thing buries the lede quite a lot. Mild symptoms started Nov 22nd. Yah, it's been here. And it's all over that loving anime convention too. Community spread going back > 2 weeks domestically. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 17:55
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Crossposting.Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:NYT says Biden is making a big "Winter Covid" plan announcement today.
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Solkanar512 posted:Crossposting. Better than absolutely nothing is the nicest thing I can say about this. I was excited about the mask mandates for federal property, airplanes, trains, and buses but it was because my brain misread it as "vaccine mandates" first.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:11
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Isn't the Olympics famous for the athletes spending every waking moment boffing one another? Going to be difficult to do that while maintaining social distance.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:15
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test 1 day before and 1 day after (in other lists I saw it as 3 to 5 days after) is also a huge tightening. It was previously 1 day before if you were unvaccinated and up to 3 days before if you were vaccinated. (which allowed shenanigans for very short trips)
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So it’s already in NYC then, just in time for the holidays. gently caress.
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MadJackal posted:So it’s already in NYC then, just in time for the holidays. gently caress. I mean, it's kinda good news if it turns out it was hanging out at new york anime conventions for weeks. The longer ago it was around the less likely any of the hyperbolic "this is the most infectious disease in human history, it ignores vaccines and immunity" is likely to be true. If it's been chilling around for weeks and had the thread poster claimed R0 of 38 and avoids vaccines or something we'd see surely have seen it tearing through new york nursing homes or something by now, not only being detected from some guy watching hentai with mild symptoms.
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MadJackal posted:So it’s already in NYC then, just in time for the holidays. gently caress. It's potentially already everywhere.
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dwarf74 posted:It was at a national, maybe international, anime convention. I always said anime would destroy human civilization.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, it's kinda good news if it turns out it was hanging out at new york anime conventions for weeks. The longer ago it was around the less likely any of the hyperbolic "this is the most infectious disease in human history, it ignores vaccines and immunity" is likely to be true. If it's been chilling around for weeks and had the thread poster claimed R0 of 38 and avoids vaccines or something we'd see surely have seen it tearing through new york nursing homes or something by now, not only being detected from some guy watching hentai with mild symptoms. That was my thought too
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Alctel posted:That was my thought too Like it could definitely be bad, but the farther back we can find it circulating the more sure we can be that it's not any sort of new age of ultra disease or anything. If it had an R0 many multiple times higher than normal covid it wouldn't be a case picked out of a guy that came back from a anime convention, it'd be everyone in the convention and everyone in 5 blocks around it suddenly sick all at once, vaccinated or not, sweeping through every daycare and retirement home anyone had any contact at all with. It could still end up MORE infectious, or LESS effected by the vaccines, but finding out it's not entirely new, and has been around for weeks at least somewhat caps some of the fantasy stuff.
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Dick Trauma posted:Isn't the Olympics famous for the athletes spending every waking moment boffing one another? Username/post combo. Dick Trauma posted:Going to be difficult to do that while maintaining social distance. The government of British Columbia has a suggestion.
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I know the US has ramped up their sequencing lately, what was it like before? We do a decent amount in Ontario, and our results as of today are still 99.9% Delta. I don't think we sequence everything, so for sure that's not proof that there was absolutely no Omicron, but either it doesn't outcompete Delta to a massive degree or it hasn't been here too long. We weren't looking for Omicron specifically but we'd absolutely notice if a huge percentage of cases were suddenly not Delta.
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Comparing Québec’s daily COVID figures for December 2, 2020 with today definitely shows the effects of having a significantly vaccinated population. Cases aren’t that much different (1,514 last year, 1,146 today), but severe outcomes have shown a noticeable decline (740 hospitalizations and 43 deaths last year, 227 hospitalizations and 2 deaths today). Considering that there were many more restrictions in place last year and that last year’s numbers were for OG COVID instead of Delta, that’s not bad.
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